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Radio - dead and loving it (sorry Mel Brooks)

Talent becomes too expensive frequently and the listeners suffer with another format change and DJ rotation.

And yet staffs and formats at the top Seattle stations have been pretty consistent. That stay consistent because they're successful. Amazing how that works.
 
Big corp. NOT LITTLE CORP. BIG CORP.

B I G C O R P
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You know? The kind that are reducing hours because the affordable care act apparently isn't affordable? That is behind more non legal hiring than any other entity because a lot of you will be too expensive soon? And yes they may replace DJ's with illegals if they can speak english, why not? Just read them liner cards every break. Could happen.

I notice this conversation is one of the lengthiest and exciting on the website right now and do not apologize for saying what I say. Finally, i'ts alive!

Radio would replace on air talent with computerised voices waaaay before they replaced them with illegals, but that's way off in the future. Technology ain't there yet.

PS the majority of corporations in the US are small corporations --S corporations. And when it comes to business, the decisions made are similar. Probably the vast majority of illegal hiring in the US is done by smaller businesses -- restaurants, construction & home repair companies, etc.
 
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What you may not know (since you're not from WA) is that we also have a State tax based on gross revenue...with some limited deductions. I point this out only because the thread is happening on a WA-state geography board.

You're obviously referring to the B&O tax? Which is small compared to an income tax.
 
Booooooooooooring

So you complain that big corporations get rid of expensive talent and make format changes. That's a bad thing.

But you also complain that when they don't, it's boring.

Which do you want? You can't have both.

You complain that you want stimulating entertainment.

But you only listen to a small group of unpopular AM stations, and refuse to venture outside your comfort zone.

You can't have it both ways.

You want personal service, but you don't want to pay for it.

Sorry, but that's not how things work.

If anything is boring here, it's your endless selfish and childlike complaining, and your refusal to actually try something different.
 
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You're obviously referring to the B&O tax? Which is small compared to an income tax.

In most jurisdictions, there is some kind of business tax based on annual gross revenue. The most common are business licences, where the fee is a very small percentage of revenue.
 
xmtrland ... Curious why Bonneville owns both 710 and 770 yet have never consolidated the XMitter sites and sold the old KING (1090) site (perhaps to CBS?). I realize they're basically next door to each other, but seems like it would be an interesting business move.
 
To put 770 at the KIRO site would require a 3rd tower. The KIRO towers (only 2) are taller and spacing might require more land. 770 was originally diplexed on the 1090 towers and works well. They would have to rebuild the diplexor system at KIRO add the tower if possible, move the phasor, transmitters. Redo the air handling system. Plus a lot of engineering (again two 50KW 60Khz apart, two towers that are taller) and new transmission lines, digging, and FCC filings. And the spacing of two 50KW 60Khz apart works better on separate tower sites. Lots of money would need to spent in the short term.

When Bonneville bought KING 1090 from KING broadcasting they first executed the frequency swap between 1090 and 770, I don't think moving 770 to the 710 site was ever considered beyond conversation wonder talk. Bonneville only owned both station for about 2 years before selling to Entercom in 1997. I think any owner would just keep things as they are in case one station or the other sells. Entercom spent very little money while they had the two stations. But Bonneville bought them both back in 2008. There is no real good reason to move 770 to the 710 site.

I don't think CBS wants to own the site. The CBS rent basically pays the power bill for KIRO, KTTH and probably some of the program and remote control circuits. I feel CBS has the better rental deal since the site has a real flushing toilet!

Back in 1974 when my dad took the week end engineering position at KIRO, and I would walk out to the tower bases with him. I wondered if in my lifetime, would I see the end of 710am. As in it's obsolete and shut it down. Fast forward to 2015 and now I'm responsible for it's care. I may very well see that sunset. They might invest in a new solid state 50kw transmitter, but not moving 770 to the 710 site.
 
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To put 770 at the KIRO site would require a 3rd tower. The KIRO towers (only 2) are taller and spacing might require more land. 770 was originally diplexed on the 1090 towers and works well. They would have to rebuild the diplexor system at KIRO add the tower if possible, move the phasor, transmitters. Redo the air handling system. Plus a lot of engineering (again two 50KW 60Khz apart, two towers that are taller) and new transmission lines, digging, and FCC filings. And the spacing of two 50KW 60Khz apart works better on separate tower sites. Lots of money would need to spent in the short term.

When Bonneville bought KING 1090 from KING broadcasting they first executed the frequency swap between 1090 and 770, I don't think moving 770 to the 710 site was ever considered beyond conversation wonder talk. Bonneville only owned both station for about 2 years before selling to Entercom in 1997. I think any owner would just keep things as they are in case one station or the other sells. Entercom spent very little money while they had the two stations. But Bonneville bought them both back in 2008. There is no real good reason to move 770 to the 710 site.

I don't think CBS wants to own the site. The CBS rent basically pays the power bill for KIRO, KTTH and probably some of the program and remote control circuits. I feel CBS has the better rental deal since the site has a real flushing toilet!

Back in 1974 when my dad took the week end engineering position at KIRO, and I would walk out to the tower bases with him. I wondered if in my lifetime, would I see the end of 710am. As in it's obsolete and shut it down. Fast forward to 2015 and now I'm responsible for it's care. I may very well see that sunset. They might invest in a new solid state 50kw transmitter, but not moving 770 to the 710 site.

You don't know how envious I am that you get to be the caretaker of a Vashon AM site :)
 
I think any owner would just keep things as they are in case one station or the other sells. Entercom spent very little money while they had the two stations.

Thanks much. I figured you definitely "know your stuff" and could explain why it's more complex than a napkin drawing might indicate.
On your comment above about "in case one or the other sells" ... the KBSG crew always seemed to live under a cloud of self-suspicion wondering why they were over on Eastlake playing radio; while all the other Entercom boys & girls were living up in the canned ham building. They suspected the two AM's and the FM were probably being shopped ... and because of that, they were living in a separate dorm from the rest of the kids down the hall.
 
Thanks much. I figured you definitely "know your stuff" and could explain why it's more complex than a napkin drawing might indicate.
On your comment above about "in case one or the other sells" ... the KBSG crew always seemed to live under a cloud of self-suspicion wondering why they were over on Eastlake playing radio; while all the other Entercom boys & girls were living up in the canned ham building. They suspected the two AM's and the FM were probably being shopped ... and because of that, they were living in a separate dorm from the rest of the kids down the hall.
I was under the impression that Entercom moved to Metropolitan Park after selling off the current Bonneville cluster. I guess that theory wouldn't make sense as they wouldn't have had a studio for KNDD, KISW, and KMTT.
 
I was under the impression that Entercom moved to Metropolitan Park after selling off the current Bonneville cluster. I guess that theory wouldn't make sense as they wouldn't have had a studio for KNDD, KISW, and KMTT.

Actually, 107.7 was the first ones in The Twin Toasters back in the '80s. (Back when it was KMGI and they owned KIXI before selling it off to Sandusky in 1991.) I think KBSG was there as well. Entercom just inherited the leases and decided to stay.
 
They would have to rebuild the diplexor system at KIRO add the tower if possible, move the phasor, transmitters. Redo the air handling system. Plus a lot of engineering (again two 50KW 60Khz apart, two towers that are taller) and new transmission lines, digging, and FCC filings. And the spacing of two 50KW 60Khz apart works better on separate tower sites. Lots of money would need to spent in the short term.

That was the key challenge right there; trying to combine two 50kW stations only 60kHz apart with different night patterns. Combining stations 100kHz with different patterns apart is tough enough. And even with being on separate sites on the same island, each need traps to keep each station out of the other.
 
Actually, 107.7 was the first ones in The Twin Toasters back in the '80s. (Back when it was KMGI and they owned KIXI before selling it off to Sandusky in 1991.) I think KBSG was there as well. Entercom just inherited the leases and decided to stay.

KBSG was in the penthouse at Met Park East until 1999, when Entercom consolidated facilities and moved it to Eastlake. Damn nice views of Lake Union from that facility...
 
Taking care of KIRO is kinda like taking care of your old grade school. Lots of stuff to explore, has sentimental value. Then there are the early morning calls from "Lady Burk" as she is called. Got one of those this morning from KTTH with a generator alarm. The jacket heater is having thermostat issues letting the Generator get cold and triggering an alarm. The generator still starts with out the jacket heater, it's just takes an extra few seconds to settle.

Here is that interesting document I found at 1090 talking about what if KIRO moved to the KVI site. No names on it or a date. But I would say it's from the late 40's. Maybe a GM what if memo.
http://vashonradio.com/towertour/images/kiro/kvi_kiro_move.pdf

What's also interesting is having access to KOMO, KIRO, 1090 old files and all the paper work that was generated when KQIN filled for 820khz 500watts day only from Vashon. Each station has a file labeled KQIN 820.
 
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Then there are the early morning calls from "Lady Burk" as she is called. Got one of those this morning from KTTH with a generator alarm. The jacket heater is having thermostat issues letting the Generator get cold and triggering an alarm.

"Lady Burk" is both a blessing and a curse! ;)
 


In most jurisdictions, there is some kind of business tax based on annual gross revenue. The most common are business licences, where the fee is a very small percentage of revenue.
You have just described the B & O tax. B & O = Business and Occupation. It is a small percentage of revenue, but applies regardless of whether a business makes a profit, and it is normally separate from the Business License, which has a fixed fee attached. B & O taxes are regressive. If I lose money, how can I afford to pay the B & O tax?
 
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