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Radio-One Selling KKBT?

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Got any loose change Clear Channel? Why not buy back KKBT from Radio 1-since they obviously can't get it together. Although, KKBT started their nose dive in the late 90s when Michelle S came back, as long as Clear Channel doesn't rehire her, CC could fix the Beat up real nice-like by sending Martin and Archer to the rescue....
What do you think?
 
> Got any loose change Clear Channel? Why not buy back KKBT
> from Radio 1-since they obviously can't get it together.
> Although, KKBT started their nose dive in the late 90s when
> Michelle S came back, as long as Clear Channel doesn't
> rehire her, CC could fix the Beat up real nice-like by
> sending Martin and Archer to the rescue....
> What do you think?
>

1. Clear Channel (nor CBS Radio) could buy this station. They own the max FM's that they can in Los Angeles.

2. Clear Channel has no interest in operating a format that has zero growth potential in Los Angeles, Mexico.

3. This is Radio One's premire property and they have no intention of selling it.
 
>
> 2. Clear Channel has no interest in operating a format that
> has zero growth potential in Los Angeles, Mexico.

And since Clear can not get traction on serving Hispanics in the Southwest, I would say they are staying away from that for the time being, too.
 
In that case, Glenn ...

> 2. Clear Channel has no interest in operating a format that
> has zero growth potential in Los Angeles, Mexico.

What is your reasoning as to the flip on Star? I don't see that the new format has a high Hispanic appeal ...<P ID="signature">______________


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> >
> > 2. Clear Channel has no interest in operating a format
> that
> > has zero growth potential in Los Angeles, Mexico.
>
> And since Clear can not get traction on serving Hispanics in
> the Southwest, I would say they are staying away from that
> for the time being, too.
>
What about Emmis, SBS, Salem or even Univision buying the station? Now that would be something!
 
> > >
> > > 2. Clear Channel has no interest in operating a format
> > that
> > > has zero growth potential in Los Angeles, Mexico.
> >
> > And since Clear can not get traction on serving Hispanics
> in
> > the Southwest, I would say they are staying away from that
>
> > for the time being, too.
> >
> What about Emmis, SBS, Salem or even Univision buying the
> station? Now that would be something!

They paid over $400 million for it... and it is considered a core asset.
 
> Got any loose change Clear Channel? Why not buy back KKBT
> from Radio 1-since they obviously can't get it together.
> Although, KKBT started their nose dive in the late 90s when
> Michelle S came back, as long as Clear Channel doesn't
> rehire her, CC could fix the Beat up real nice-like by
> sending Martin and Archer to the rescue....


Just when I think I'm out, they keep pulling me back IN... :)<P ID="signature">______________
Archer
http://spaces.msn.com/robertarcher</P>
 
> > Got any loose change Clear Channel? Why not buy back KKBT
> > from Radio 1-since they obviously can't get it together.
> > Although, KKBT started their nose dive in the late 90s
> when
> > Michelle S came back, as long as Clear Channel doesn't
> > rehire her, CC could fix the Beat up real nice-like by
> > sending Martin and Archer to the rescue....
> > What do you think?


HOLD ON THERE PROFESSOR!!!!......
> >
>
> 1. Clear Channel (nor CBS Radio) could buy this station.
> They own the max FM's that they can in Los Angeles.

Stations can always be spun off/moved around to accomadate such a sale, they could probably find a way to sell something in RIVERSIDE to placate the fcc ownership rules even thought it would not be LA proper Ive seen strangerr things happen.
>
> 2. Clear Channel has no interest in operating a format that
> has zero growth potential in Los Angeles, Mexico.

What makes you think tthat they would keep teh format? ITS A GOOD STICK IN LOS ANGELES! IF THEY WERE SMART THEY WOULD BUY SOMETHING, FLIP IT ACTIVE ROCK, and flank KROQ, HARD!. Do it right not like Pirate radio which was basically just CHR or KNAC which had no stick shouting up from Long Beach.
>
> 3. This is Radio One's premire property and they have no
> intention of selling it.

Proabably correct, if by their premier property you mean it's their property in their biggest market? yes and no. Remember this is radio one we're talking about mostly urban, many markets like swamp fox South Carolina, if there are black folks there Radio One thinks it's a viable market. IF someone wrote a big enough check for KKBT they could be enticed to sell it, they still are the voice of the black community throughout America and let's face it: NEW York, LA, Chicago, arent America, they are the big city. America IS swamp fox South Carolina, sad but true.
>
 
> HOLD ON THERE PROFESSOR!!!!......
> > >
> >
> > 1. Clear Channel (nor CBS Radio) could buy this station.
> > They own the max FM's that they can in Los Angeles.
>
> Stations can always be spun off/moved around to accomadate
> such a sale, they could probably find a way to sell
> something in RIVERSIDE to placate the fcc ownership rules
> even thought it would not be LA proper Ive seen strangerr
> things happen.

Hold on yourself, professor. Your education is apparently incomplete.

The Riverside stations don't count against the Los Angeles total. It is based on the <u>market designator</u>.

> > 2. Clear Channel has no interest in operating a format
> that
> > has zero growth potential in Los Angeles, Mexico.
>
> What makes you think tthat they would keep teh format? ITS
> A GOOD STICK IN LOS ANGELES! IF THEY WERE SMART THEY WOULD
> BUY SOMETHING, FLIP IT ACTIVE ROCK, and flank KROQ, HARD!.
> Do it right not like Pirate radio which was basically just
> CHR or KNAC which had no stick shouting up from Long Beach.

Once again, your knowledge base is incomplete.

CC has a strategy in place for its FM stations in Los Angeles. It is called "wall of women". Every one of their FMs is targeted at women, within a specific subset of 18-49. An Active Rock station would not fit with the rest, because it would appeal to a male demo, and therefore could not be sold in combo with the rest of their FMs.

Besides, if CC was going to do that, they had the opportunity when they changed Star's format this week.

> > 3. This is Radio One's premire property and they have no
> > intention of selling it.
>
> Proabably correct, if by their premier property you mean
> it's their property in their biggest market? yes and no.
> Remember this is radio one we're talking about mostly urban,
> many markets like swamp fox South Carolina, if there are
> black folks there Radio One thinks it's a viable market. IF
> someone wrote a big enough check for KKBT they could be
> enticed to sell it, they still are the voice of the black
> community throughout America and let's face it: NEW York,
> LA, Chicago, arent America, they are the big city. America
> IS swamp fox South Carolina, sad but true.

That is such an ignorant set of statements, I am rendered speechless. Someone else finish this for me, please.<P ID="signature">______________


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> > Proabably correct, if by their premier property you mean
> > it's their property in their biggest market? yes and no.
> > Remember this is radio one we're talking about mostly
> urban,
> > many markets like swamp fox South Carolina, if there are
> > black folks there Radio One thinks it's a viable market.
> IF
> > someone wrote a big enough check for KKBT they could be
> > enticed to sell it, they still are the voice of the black
> > community throughout America and let's face it: NEW York,
>
> > LA, Chicago, arent America, they are the big city. America
>
> > IS swamp fox South Carolina, sad but true.
>
> That is such an ignorant set of statements, I am rendered
> speechless. Someone else finish this for me, please.

That comment can be summed up in three words: "Racial," "Stereotyped," and "Offensive."
 
> > > Proabably correct, if by their premier property you
> mean
> > > it's their property in their biggest market? yes and no.
>
> > > Remember this is radio one we're talking about mostly
> > urban,
> > > many markets like swamp fox South Carolina, if there are
>
> > > black folks there Radio One thinks it's a viable market.
>
> > IF
> > > someone wrote a big enough check for KKBT they could be
> > > enticed to sell it, they still are the voice of the
> black
> > > community throughout America and let's face it: NEW
> York,
> >
> > > LA, Chicago, arent America, they are the big city.
> America
> >
> > > IS swamp fox South Carolina, sad but true.
> >
> > That is such an ignorant set of statements, I am rendered
> > speechless. Someone else finish this for me, please.
>
> That comment can be summed up in three words: "Racial,"
> "Stereotyped," and "Offensive."
>
I will agree. Keep in mind, Riverside has nothing to do with Los Angeles.

Radio One has been very specific that they are selling non-core assets. Having a radio station in a market that is approximately 7% Black - in the No. 1 radio revenue market in the world is a CORE asset. I would expect them to buy more in L.A. - not sell KKBT. Plus, it's one of the worst Class B's in L.A. on Mt. Wilson when it comes to building penetration.

If it was so great, CC would've KEPT it . They wanted 92.3 instead because they knew it was a BETTER signal.

This entire thread is absolutely absurd.

Plus, based on KKBT's ailing ratings and revenue, it's not worth the $400 million they paid for it.
 
> > 1. Clear Channel (nor CBS Radio) could buy this station.
> > They own the max FM's that they can in Los Angeles.
>
> Stations can always be spun off/moved around to accomadate
> such a sale, they could probably find a way to sell
> something in RIVERSIDE to placate the fcc ownership rules
> even thought it would not be LA proper Ive seen strangerr
> things happen.

Clear is at quota in the LA MSA, and certainly would not sell off any of its stations to buy The Beat. Every one of thier stations outbills it, and all have, I believe (even KYSR up on Mulholland) better signals than the station in question.

Selling a station in Riverside does not affect the quota in LA unless the Riverside station(s) have a city grade over the LA market, which they don't.

So, there is no way Clear is gong to buy that station.

> What makes you think tthat they would keep teh format? ITS
> A GOOD STICK IN LOS ANGELES! IF THEY WERE SMART THEY WOULD
> BUY SOMETHING, FLIP IT ACTIVE ROCK, and flank KROQ, HARD!.

The signals they have are all better than KKBT. There is no reason for them to downgrade, which is the only way they could buy it: sell an existing LA FM.

> Do it right not like Pirate radio which was basically just
> CHR or KNAC which had no stick shouting up from Long Beach.

And both of those were about 15 to 20 years ago, and irrelevant today.
>
> Proabably correct, if by their premier property you mean
> it's their property in their biggest market? yes and no.
> Remember this is radio one we're talking about mostly urban,
> many markets like swamp fox South Carolina, if there are
> black folks there Radio One thinks it's a viable market. IF
> someone wrote a big enough check for KKBT they could be
> enticed to sell it, they still are the voice of the black
> community throughout America

With just 60 stations? No way.

> and let's face it: NEW York,
> LA, Chicago, arent America, they are the big city. America
> IS swamp fox South Carolina, sad but true.

Whatever.
 
>> >
> > That is such an ignorant set of statements, I am rendered
> > speechless. Someone else finish this for me, please.
>
> That comment can be summed up in three words: "Racial,"
> "Stereotyped," and "Offensive."

Yes, Frish's comments were racially offensive. And inaccurate.

Radio One has around 60 something stations in about 20 markets (several of which, like Minneapolis and Miami are not Black). While many of its stations are strong voices for the Black community, some are not. And with around 35 million African Americans in the US, being in 20 markets does not qualify a statement of being the voice of the Black community.

In fact, Clear channel has nearly the same number of Urban and gospel stations as Radio One. So much for being a leader.

The stuff about Bumfart, SC, is just stupid.


>
 
> > That is such an ignorant set of statements, I am rendered
> > speechless. Someone else finish this for me, please.
>
> That comment can be summed up in three words: "Racial,"
> "Stereotyped," and "Offensive."

Yes, those were the words I was trying to think of while unable to speak.

{moderator mode ON}

Frish, after that post, you are on thin ice, not only with me but with the other three moderators on this board. Clean up your act or be cleaned out.

{moderator mode OFF}
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> > Do it right not like Pirate radio which was basically just
>
> > CHR or KNAC which had no stick shouting up from Long
> Beach.
>
> And both of those were about 15 to 20 years ago, and
> irrelevant today.

Right and when was the last time LA had an active rock station?or even a current based rock station (other than Kroq) it would have been either of those stations I mentioned, 15 years ago correct but since they were the last to do it it is hardly irrelevant, what a mindless comment for you to make.
> >
> > Proabably correct, if by their premier property you mean
> > it's their property in their biggest market? yes and no.
> > Remember this is radio one we're talking about mostly
> urban,
> > many markets like swamp fox South Carolina, if there are
> > black folks there Radio One thinks it's a viable market.
> IF
> > someone wrote a big enough check for KKBT they could be
> > enticed to sell it, they still are the voice of the black
> > community throughout America
>
> With just 60 stations? No way.

You find me a larger African American operated broadcast company.....right....there isnt one, that is the point.......Clear Channel and CBS may own more urban stations (which Im not sure if that is even correct) but they're in it to make a buck, theye doing urban because it tests where they're doing it. Radio One on the other hand while definately tring to make money believes (true or not) that they are serving the community, the black community, so 60 stations is 60 more than any other African American broadcast company. There really is no point for you to argue so why are you attempting to?. Plus likemost you probably have an exaggerated idea of just how many blacks are in this country, it is a small percentage of the overall demographic of America, smaller than you would think,m anywhere from 8 to 14 percent PERIOD. SO 60 stations spread out across America is not as small as you 're thinking.
>
> > and let's face it: NEW York,
> > LA, Chicago, arent America, they are the big city. America
>
> > IS swamp fox South Carolina, sad but true.
>
> Whatever.

DUDE get a clue, I work in a major, top five market too but I also know that if you actually get out into AMERICA, see if you say "whatever" Most Americans arent in the sophisticated cities, they shop at wal mart, etc and live a pretty low key life, the major cities are not representattive of America unfortunately. There are more tiny hamlets than big cities in this country and thats where middle American culture is, the culture that most media outlets on a national sacle cater to. whhat about that dont you get??
>
 
> > > Proabably correct, if by their premier property you
> mean
> > > it's their property in their biggest market? yes and no.
>
> > > Remember this is radio one we're talking about mostly
> > urban,
> > > many markets like swamp fox South Carolina, if there are
>
> > > black folks there Radio One thinks it's a viable market.
>
> > IF
> > > someone wrote a big enough check for KKBT they could be
> > > enticed to sell it, they still are the voice of the
> black
> > > community throughout America and let's face it: NEW
> York,
> >
> > > LA, Chicago, arent America, they are the big city.
> America
> >
> > > IS swamp fox South Carolina, sad but true.
> >
> > That is such an ignorant set of statements, I am rendered
> > speechless. Someone else finish this for me, please.
>
> That comment can be summed up in three words: "Racial,"
> "Stereotyped," and "Offensive."

None of the above sir, there is nothing racist or offensive about it. The reality is that regardless of color, America is basically the places that are not the big cities, and there are plenty of white folks in "Swamp fox South Carolina" ETC . Why do you think that so much of the media's energy is spent appealing to "middle America"? becauuse the majority of people in this coutry arent really in the cities, theyre in the burbs, in the rural areas etc. Having workd for Radio one I can tell you that it is true that if there is a large black population in a given market Radio one sees it as a viablee place to be, it makes sense what's stereotyped or racist about that?.... They have an interest in going there because they are a community serving broadcast corproation, they are working to serve and be a voice to and for the black community.... what is offensive about that? its true, and it makes sense. theyre not just trying to make money, theyre trying to serve their community which is admireable. Apprantly you misunderstood what i was saying and Im not certain why but there was no racist overtones to it, trust me!
>
 
> > What about Emmis, SBS, Salem or even Univision buying the
> > station? Now that would be something!
>
> They paid over $400 million for it... and it is considered a
> core asset.
>

Remember...this is a fictional scenario...made up by the first
poster in this thread...another "what if" thing.<P ID="signature">______________
but wait...there's more!</P>
 
Black broadcaster, I get what Frish said.

> > > > Proabably correct, if by their premier property you
> > mean
> > > > it's their property in their biggest market? yes and
> no.
> >
> > > > Remember this is radio one we're talking about mostly
> > > urban,
> > > > many markets like swamp fox South Carolina, if there
> are
> >
> > > > black folks there Radio One thinks it's a viable
> market.
> >
> > > IF
> > > > someone wrote a big enough check for KKBT they could
> be
> > > > enticed to sell it, they still are the voice of the
> > black
> > > > community throughout America and let's face it: NEW
> > York,
> > >
> > > > LA, Chicago, arent America, they are the big city.
> > America
> > >
> > > > IS swamp fox South Carolina, sad but true.
> > >
> > > That is such an ignorant set of statements, I am
> rendered
> > > speechless. Someone else finish this for me, please.
> >
> > That comment can be summed up in three words: "Racial,"
> > "Stereotyped," and "Offensive."
>
> None of the above sir, there is nothing racist or offensive
> about it. The reality is that regardless of color, America
> is basically the places that are not the big cities, and
> there are plenty of white folks in "Swamp fox South
> Carolina" ETC . Why do you think that so much of the media's
> energy is spent appealing to "middle America"? becauuse the
> majority of people in this coutry arent really in the
> cities, theyre in the burbs, in the rural areas etc. Having
> workd for Radio one I can tell you that it is true that if
> there is a large black population in a given market Radio
> one sees it as a viablee place to be, it makes sense what's
> stereotyped or racist about that?.... They have an interest
> in going there because they are a community serving
> broadcast corproation, they are working to serve and be a
> voice to and for the black community.... what is offensive
> about that? its true, and it makes sense. theyre not just
> trying to make money, theyre trying to serve their community
> which is admireable. Apprantly you misunderstood what i was
> saying and Im not certain why but there was no racist
> overtones to it, trust me!
> >
>
I get what Frish is saying, David Eduardo; in my OPINION was very premature in jumping on him in the way in which he did. For clarification I am an Afircan American broadcaster, I work in New York, and I completely agree with what Frish was saying for the most part. Look Radio One is a black owned and operated company and it is true that unlike CC or any other corporation they have more of a commitment to the black community ad while CC etc may have more Gospel and Urban stations than Radio One they're operating those formats becuase they're good business and thats all. They researched the markets there was a hole for those formats and they put them on, period. Radio One on the other hand being a company that is owned by blacks has more of a commitment to said community and they would go into a smaller market if they felt there was a large enough black community that they can attract not just for business sake but because they want to serve that community. By the same token Radio One has a few alternative stations etc so they're not above trying to make a buck becuase making a buck is what radio companies are there to do! all of them.

I think people got all hung up on Swamp Fox Sc (very funny by the way) how anyone found a racial tinge to that is beyond me,he just said America is more about the small towns than the big cities. So I'll say America is more realistically like "MoM cant find you", Nebraska, than it is NYC, LA etc..........are we more comfortable with that? Look like I said I work in New York, and I agree that we in the inner cities get fooled into thinking that the city reflects the rest of America, it really doesnt.... I mean come on guys New York is not heart and soul America, LA isnt either which is why I LIVE in NEw York, I have zero interest in living in heartland America etc shopping at Wal Mart for clothes lol like Frish said, thats true man some people go and buy an outfit, food, and a gun all in one place........do you do that in LA?.. nah I didnt think so...lol..... Anyway point being I know Frish, not a racist dude, I do believe that there was some over reaction to the thread, and some of it was a little nasty for no reason, David he's correct that Pirate and KNAC are the last time that anyone tried active rock in La (if Im wrong please correct me) therefore they are far from irrelevant my man even if it was a few yeasr ago it was the last time right?.

Hell I only came to the LA board to see what the latest was on KYSR etc>!..lol

ANYWAY THIS IS ALL MOOT SINCE NOBODY IS SELLING KKBT TO BEGIN WITH!
 
> Right and when was the last time LA had an active rock
> station?or even a current based rock station (other than
> Kroq) it would have been either of those stations I
> mentioned, 15 years ago correct but since they were the last
> to do it it is hardly irrelevant, what a mindless comment
> for you to make.

The relevance of rock stations 15 to 20 years ago (KNAC died in early 1995) today is zero. The market has changed demographically to such an extent that any data or analyis from that time is, as I said, irrelevant.

Looking at rockers from the 80's and 90's is like looking at KIIS when it first started... when it was a disco station.
> they still are the voice of the
> black
> > > community throughout America
> >
> > With just 60 stations? No way.
>
> You find me a larger African American operated broadcast
> company.....right....there isnt one, that is the
> point.......Clear Channel and CBS may own more urban
> stations (which Im not sure if that is even correct)

If you include gospel, Clear and Radio One are tied. Quite a few Radio One stations are not African-American targeted, by the way. They have a CHR in Minneapolis, a brokered talker in Miami, a Spanish station in Houston, etc., etc.

> but
> they're in it to make a buck, theye doing urban because it
> tests where they're doing it. Radio One on the other hand
> while definately tring to make money believes (true or not)
> that they are serving the community, the black community, so
> 60 stations is 60 more than any other African American
> broadcast company.

Radio One is also in it for the money. They are, like SBS, UVN, and Entravision, mostly concentrated in one area formatically. The three publically owned Hispanic groups also know that when you program to such an audience, community service is of the essence. Doing community service, as shown by WDIA through multiple owners (and guess who owns them now?) is the key to such formats. Radio One did not invent service to the Black community... they just recognized the need for it as proven by others back to when such stations advertised in Broadcasting as "Memphis' race station." (Early 50's)

> There really is no point for you to argue
> so why are you attempting to?. Plus likemost you probably
> have an exaggerated idea of just how many blacks are in this
> country, it is a small percentage of the overall demographic
> of America, smaller than you would think,m anywhere from 8
> to 14 percent PERIOD.

There are precise counts of African Americans, updated to 2005, on the U.S. Census website. Blacks are 13.4% of the population or 39.2 million. Hispanics, the largest minority group, are approaching 14%.

I do not have an exaggerated idea of how many of anything there is in the US, right down to working John Deere tractors, as there are plenty of reliable statistical sources for nearly every characteristic of the US population. There is no need to say that the Black population is "naywhere from 8 to 14 percent" when exact numbers exist (and your 8% would undercount by nearly 18 million people!)
>
> DUDE get a clue, I work in a major, top five market too
> but I also know that if you actually get out into AMERICA,
> see if you say "whatever" Most Americans arent in the
> sophisticated cities, they shop at wal mart, etc and live a
> pretty low key life, the major cities are not
> representattive of America unfortunately.

Big cities for the average middle class or blue collar worker tend to be more like lots of small cities glued together.

I work in markets ranging from Harlingen, TX to some outside the US that are larger than New York's metro. And I have worked in markets ranging from Lake City, FL (less than 20 thousand) and Lago Agrio, Ecuador (same) to Mexico City (23 million). Generally, I have found that people all walk on two legs, put their shoes on one foot at a time and are more similar than different all over.

> There are more
> tiny hamlets than big cities in this country and thats where
> middle American culture is, the culture that most media
> outlets on a national sacle cater to. whhat about that dont
> you get??

Who, other than you, said I did not get it? Even if you work in a big market, listeners listen one set of ears at a time.
 
Re: Misconceptions dispelled

>
> None of the above sir, there is nothing racist or offensive
> about it. The reality is that regardless of color, America
> is basically the places that are not the big cities, and
> there are plenty of white folks in "Swamp fox South
> Carolina" ETC . Why do you think that so much of the media's
> energy is spent appealing to "middle America"? becauuse the
> majority of people in this coutry arent really in the
> cities,

Let's look at that.

Of the 12+ population of the USA, which is just under 250 million as of the Claritas 2005 projection, here is what we have...

Top 20 metros: 92 million or nearly 40% of the total
Top 40 metros: 121 million or half the population total.
Top 50 metros: 134 million or nearly 60% of the total.

In fact, two thirds of the US population is in the top 100 metros.

So much for that.

> Having
> workd for Radio one I can tell you that it is true that if
> there is a large black population in a given market Radio
> one sees it as a viablee place to be, it makes sense what's
> stereotyped or racist about that?....

What is stereotypical is your portrayal of Radio One as THE voice of Black America, which it is not. And your inference that only a Black owned group can speak for or to this group.
 
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