CORPORATE IS GOOD. CONSOLIDATION IS GOOD. WE KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU.
Huh? If more people stop listening, that means fewer listeners, which should mean lower spot rates because fewer people hear each spot.Although there are other market and competitive forces involved, radio rates are set mostly based on the number of persons exposed to each spot. If radio listening declines, it does not matter as each station sets rates in proportion to who is listening, not who is not listening.
PTBoardOp94 said:Huh? If more people stop listening, that means fewer listeners, which should mean lower spot rates because fewer people hear each spot.
SirRoxalot said:You DARE to question the logic of Mr. Eduardo? Apparently he doesn't know that 5 minutes of listening in a quarter hour gets you credit for an entire quarter hour. BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
DavidEduardo said:SirRoxalot said:You DARE to question the logic of Mr. Eduardo? Apparently he doesn't know that 5 minutes of listening in a quarter hour gets you credit for an entire quarter hour. BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
But you made a statement about measurement based on 5 minute segments; Arbitron releases average quarter hour ratings, not "average Five-Minute ratings."
This is particularly important since the credit and edit rules for "getting" a quarter hour are very different in the PPM when compared to the diary method.
If the the peak in PUR was "very artificial", then one must assume that more modern ratings methodology from Arbitron more accurately measures actual listening. If that's true, then we can more accurately say that the average number of listeners in any given 5 minute period has declined since the late 1980s. OK, I'll buy that.
SirRoxalot said:In fact, if you can get people to listen to the first five minutes, tune out for the second five minutes, then tune back in for the 3rd five minutes, you can get credit for TWO quarter hours.
Hence, the practice of "sweeping the quarter hours".
In reality, the number of people listening during a given 5 minute period would actually be less than the number listening during a quarter hour period, which means that even fewer people will hear my spot than quarter hours would indicate.
SirRoxalot said:The more radio has emphasized the music, and de-emphasized the rest of the programming (i.e. information, companionship, shared experience) that goes with it, the fewer people listen for more than a few minutes a day.
SirRoxalot said:If radio programming was ONLY about music, radio would have died when the cassette came out. Cassette players were very portable, and very cheap by the 1980s.
SirRoxalot said:CORPORATE IS GOOD. CONSOLIDATION IS GOOD. WE'RE FROM CORPORATE, AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP. WE KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU. WHEN WE SUCCEED, WE'LL ALL BENEFIT TOGETHER. WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND WE'RE DOING WHAT'S GOOD FOR RADIO AS AN INDUSTRY.
SirRoxalot said:All those who advocated reverting to the '70s - raise your hands! Anybody?
All those of you who prefer to get their information from a live human being, raise your hands.
If radio programming was ONLY about music, radio would have died when the cassette came out. Cassette players were very portable, and very cheap by the 1980s. The quality was as good as most MP3s.
The trend seems obvious to me. The more radio has emphasized the music, and de-emphasized the rest of the programming (i.e. information, companionship, shared experience) that goes with it, the fewer people listen for more than a few minutes a day.
KOOL Listener Lauren said:Let me jump in here with great passion and enthusiasm, as a 19 year old lover of terrestrial radio, and proudly be the first to raise their hand.
It's the qualities and characteristics of radio back in the 70's that should be re-discovered and incorporated into today's world. You know, the 70's aren't referred to as one of the best decades of radio for nothing. There are plenty of REASONS.
KOOL Listener Lauren said:It's the qualities and characteristics of radio back in the 70's that should be re-discovered and incorporated into today's world. You know, the 70's aren't referred to as one of the best decades of radio for nothing. There are plenty of REASONS.
KOOL Listener Lauren said:SirRoxalot said:It's the qualities and characteristics of radio back in the 70's that should be re-discovered and incorporated into today's world. You know, the 70's aren't referred to as one of the best decades of radio for nothing. There are plenty of REASONS.
I happen to agree with Lauren, even though it's not "politically correct" in the media today. I keep hearing from station PDs and owners about how everything is fine, yet I get the feeling I'm talking to mortgage and investment bankers earlier this year.
People are making choices based on what they want, and in many markets the management is oblivious to knowing what the people want.
The fact is in many markets, the audience is slipping away. Yes, I have seen ratings, and 22 share of 100,000 people in 1975 was a whole lot better than the 30 share of 1,000 people today.
In my travels I ask people what they listen to. In my town it's becoming iPods, XM, and other content. I'm not hearing the familiar names of stations that were leaders.
While being a 70s or 80s station might not fill the need in a community, there is nothing wrong with filling the passion for perfection, the personality, or the public involvement that radio of the 70s and 60s did. That's why they had the ears, and today people are going elsewhere.
FredRichards said:While being a 70s or 80s station might not fill the need in a community, there is nothing wrong with filling the passion for perfection, the personality, or the public involvement that radio of the 70s and 60s did. That's why they had the ears, and today people are going elsewhere.
TheBigA said:I think we need to accept the fact that people are going elsewhere because they can. People are being bombarded with choices and content and technology, some good and some bad. People are making decisions for lots of reasons, not necessarily based on quality, localism, diversity, or ownership. They just go with what they want when they want it. If radio does that, fine. If not, that's OK too. There's not a whole lot that radio stations can do to change that. And that reality is part of why radio stocks are hurting.