LibertyNT said:
Never heard that done. Ugh. I liked Aquarius, but I could live without "Sunshine", anyway. Very repetitious.
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Never heard that done. Ugh. I liked Aquarius, but I could live without "Sunshine", anyway. Very repetitious.
SolidGold16 said:
The "Sunshine" part has all that gospel-style shouting in it, maybe the most soulful thing the Fifth Dimension -- whose music targeted a white, MOR audience -- ever did.
CTListener said:
I'd have to agree with that, it was def. soulful, but not my taste. It's one of the few songs I don't really complain when they fade out early (30s to 1min of "Sunshine" is enough)
The other song I don't mind seeing cut is already mentioned earlier... Hey Jude. A minute or so of that ending, and I'm ready to turn it off.
SolidGold16 said:
But that song is famous for being that 7 minute #1 song from 1968, by the Beatles. Beatles fans and oldies fans know that song and would rather hear it's full length. It was released as a 45 RPM single that way and usually played on radio for 7 minutes (give or take a few seconds).
I agree on "Beginnings" being slashed to 3 minutes, is wrong. That middle 3 minutes or so of non-stop drums, brass and horns section (3:38 to 6:15) with "Only the Beginning" being repeated throughout, is priceless!! The nice "samba" style ending could be faded early if needed, but the horns & brass is what Chicago is all about.
skippertthomas said:
Chicago's Make Me Smile most Classic Hits stations play the Botched up version of 2:57 from their Greatest Hits album. But KZEP in San Antonio back in 1990 found away to piece it together off their Chicago II album. The Make Me Smile reissued starts off with the tail end from "Ballad For A Girl In Buchannan" dahdah dahdah dahdah dud dud dud ut dud dud ut dadud the end of the "Ballad" dah dah dah da dah dah dah dah dah dah it then "Make Me Smile" then the string guitar and brass, followed by the track "Now More Than Ever" 4:51 total time.
Any stations played the Quadraphonic mix of that song? Which Kath's adlibs are absent.
oldies76 said:
I'm sure you're right, if you are a Beatles fan you'd want to hear the song complete and uncut. And most stations played it that way, too. Since I am not the biggest Beatles fan out there, often I'd switch stations when the latter part of the song starts. Maybe it's just me, but it gives me a headache after a minute or two. But I do like the first part of the song...
Beginnings is one of my favorite Chicago songs. For some reason "Only the beginning" being repeated doesn't bother me, because the music is just so perfect. Actually, the only Chicago LPs I bought back then was CTA and II, since I had a very limited budget I had to spend only on albums I really loved. I think I wore out both of those LPs
willdav713 said:
I've heard a couple of stations over the years do the same thing, too. I love it when it comes back in from the fade with the entire "now more than ever". I don't remember anyone playing the quad mix of that song but it's so many years ago, only a jock would remember for sure. I wonder why the greatest hits didn't do the same, instead of chopping off the best part of such a great song?
SolidGold16 said:
Blame it on the vinyl with this one, remember the Greatest Hits album also faded Beginnings (not the CD which has the whole 7:51) as only 23 minutes could fit on the LP, they had to cut and during the CD release CD's could only hold a mere 63 minutes. What they did was include the 7" version of Make Me Smile, along with fading Beginnings out early due to space. Also for some reason, Columbia didn't want to make the cassette or 8-track have longer running time than the lp, the also cut Does Anyone Know What Time it is, as no station plays the album version of Does Anyone Know what Time it Is off the CTA release which has a piano intro to it.
"Hey Jude" as a seven-minute song is a bit of a myth. But all we had back then were our 45s, so we didn't know any differently. But now, we have CDs, so we can watch the counter on our CD players as it plays. So the reality of the matter is that after about 6:20 or so, it has faded down to the point that you will have dead-air (at least as perceived by the listeners) if you let it run much past that. Take out the na-na-na chorus, and the song itself is barely three minutes long. The scream that starts off the na-na-na chorus is at about 3:07-3:09 in the song.oldies76 said:
If you have the album of the Beatles' American #1 hits (which came out sometime in the '80s), it had an edited version of "Hey Jude" on it so that they could fit it in with the other 19 songs on that album.oldies76 said:
(I am not referring to the 1 CD which came out in 2000. It has the full-length version of "Hey Jude" on it.)
Here's an example where the short version blew away the long one.
The mix is far better, and since the extended remix seems to have become the definitive radio version, Men Without Hats' "The Safety Dance" - with its sparse (by comparison) mix and added "vocals" - is, to me, the annoying one.
This is the original 2:40 version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII&ob=av2e
The mix is far better, and since the extended remix seems to have become the definitive radio version, Men Without Hats' "The Safety Dance" - with its sparse (by comparison) mix and added "vocals" - is, to me, the annoying one.
This is the original 2:40 version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII&ob=av2e
The discussion about "Aquarius"/"Let the Sunshine In" reminded me of a thread here a few years ago with a title something like "songs played with their supporting songs." The "supporting" song(s) usually is/are the song(s) (on the album) before and/or after the "single." Someone erroneously suggested "Aquarius"/"Sunshine" for that thread. I say "erroneously" because both songs were on the single, as a medley, thus they supported each other, and neither is a "standalone" song. This is why "Aquarius" didn't sound right when played without "Sunshine," and vice versa. "Supporting" songs usually don't make much sense when played by themselves, without the song that they support. "Foreplay/Long Time" by Boston is an example of a hit with its supporting "song," in this case, an instrumental. Steve Miller Band and Pink Floyd had quite a few singles with supporting material which could only be found on the album. Many "album" (AOR) artists had supporting material on their albums along with the songs chosen to be singles.
If you have that album on cassette (as I once did :'(), you get both mixes. The 12" was probably a bonus just for the cassette; I don't remember.chas108 said:
firepoint525 said:
Yeah...I don't think the entire 7:11 length (45 RPM time on Apple Records) is ever heard anyways. The CD begins fading just after 6 minutes as you mentioned, but radio stations compensate for this fade, by raising the "volume" and we don't get a fade until nearly 6:50 or thereafter....just a thought.
Yeah, I didn't find out just how inaccurate the times shown on the 45s were until I went to work at my second station (the first station didn't even have network news!oldies76 said:
). Most 45s (of songs that fade, anyway) give times that (if you play it all the way to the time shown) fade down to complete silence!Interesting quote from the Beatles Anthology book: George Martin stated that djs wouldn't play a song that long. John Lennon's response: "They will if it's us!" ;D
You can search "Hey Jude karaoke" on youtube, and when it gets to the "na-na-na" chorus, it says something like "repeat 16 times"! ;D
Yes, that version edited out an entire refrain of "Fee-Fee-Fi-Fi-Fo-Fo-Fum...". The cut-up sounded harsh, terribly unprofessional. Finally found the origional, uncut Devil on YouTube.Dave said:
"Rock and Roll All Night" by KISS. Why does anyone still play the studio version of it? It was such a dud. The live version was the one that became the hit. Oh, yeah, now I remember. The studio version had the fade ending (and was repetitious, too!), so it was much easier for stations to fade out of that one early. Probably the same reason why the studio version was the one that turned up on all the K-Tel albums! :
1069_KIFR said:
Never heard a radio edit of that. But then, it doesn't get played much on FM anymore -- can't imagine it being a darling of the focus groups -- but Sirius XM plays it to death on its '70s and Bridge channels and it's the full song. What gets cut out in the short version?
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