Radio Versions That Annoy

[firepoint525]

Here is one for the Paul McCartney/Wings fans. The LP and commercial 45 of "Maybe I'm Amazed" clocked in at 5:11. Remember that disgusting radio edit at 3:43? This was one of the first 12" singles pressed by Capitol and it was a radio only promo item. I think that short version was issued later on reissue 45's, but when the record was current the short version wasn't availible commercially. I can't believe some seller on discogs wants $600 for it. I found my copy for much less ;D http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/Fastphilly/wings.jpg

You could also get ONLY the full-length versions of "Silly Love Songs" and "With a Little Luck" on the commercial 45s. Paul was pretty good about putting the full-length versions on the single. But buyer beware, the "DJ edit" (about 3:10 or so) of "With a Little Luck" is what you get on Paul's compilation albums All the Best and (I think) Wingspan, too. (I don't have Wingspan in my collection, so I cannot definitively comment on it.) Even the video for "With a Little Luck" was done with the short version. (As far as I can tell, no edit of "Silly Love Songs" has ever been commercially available.)

I believe Wings "Let 'Em In" is another radio edit version that was never issued commercially. The radio edit runs 3:47 compared to the commercial 45 that clocks just over five minutes. One of the worst edits I've heard is "Natural High" by Bloodstone. The entire instrumental break is edited out which led to an abrupt edit.

I was not aware of any edit ever done for "Let 'Em In," but with it being over five minutes, it would not surprise me that it was edited somewhere. With that "false fade" near the end, I'm surprised that djs didn't just go ahead and cut it at that point. Maybe some did. Do you know of any youtube links for any of these edits?

 

[cd637299]

^ I think that many MOR/AC stations took out the surprise ending...it does kinda shock you, if you are not ready for it. The first time I ever heard it was on an aircheck tape (Let em In may still have been an album cut at the time); I first thought it was a kind of "stinger" that the station itself put on, like maybe they did that as a jingle of sorts for other songs too!

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[jfrancispastirchak]

Always wondered about that oddly timed fade near the end of Elvis Presley's Suspicious Minds. Sounds like an end-of-song fade, then it pots back up again. Was that an after-market goof up? Can't believe the producers turned it loose sounding like that.

 

[oldies76]

Always wondered about that oddly timed fade near the end of Elvis Presley's Suspicious Minds. Sounds like an end-of-song fade, then it pots back up again. Was that an after-market goof up? Can't believe the producers turned it loose sounding like that.

Actually many stations have eliminated that false ending and making it sound level all the way through.

The radio edit of "Green-Eyed Lady" is annoying, too chopped up. Also the 3 minute "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" by Diana Ross is too chopped also. The full version is around 6 minutes long.

 

[willdav713]

Add Falco's Del Kommisar to the list. Last time I heard the full length version was on now defunct KKPN 102.9 The Planet out in Houston which I recorded onto tape.

I'll take After the Fire's 1983 version anytime over Falco.

What is the difference between the two? It's been a while since I remembered it.

 

[firepoint525]

Always wondered about that oddly timed fade near the end of Elvis Presley's Suspicious Minds. Sounds like an end-of-song fade, then it pots back up again. Was that an after-market goof up? Can't believe the producers turned it loose sounding like that.

Some stations made that fake ending the actual ending, and just cut it at that point. The last minute or so only repeats the "caught in a trap, can't walk out" bit, anyway.

Add Falco's Del Kommisar to the list. Last time I heard the full length version was on now defunct KKPN 102.9 The Planet out in Houston which I recorded onto tape.

I'll take After the Fire's 1983 version anytime over Falco.

What is the difference between the two? It's been a while since I remembered it.

After the Fire=English
Falco=German

 

[firepoint525]

Always wondered about that oddly timed fade near the end of Elvis Presley's Suspicious Minds. Sounds like an end-of-song fade, then it pots back up again. Was that an after-market goof up? Can't believe the producers turned it loose sounding like that.

Actually many stations have eliminated that false ending and making it sound level all the way through.

The album version of "Help Me, Rhonda" by the Beach Boys (originally on Beach Boys Today! and reissued on Endless Summer) had several such false fades. I remember Dick Bartley playing it and commenting on "engineers playing around with the levels" afterward. ;D

 

[oldies76]

What is the difference between the two? It's been a while since I remembered it.

Actually I barely even remember the Falco version on top 40 radio...also never charted on the Hot 100. The After the Fire version peaked at #5 in 1983 and is the preferred version on radio.

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Kommissar_(song)

 

[willdav713]

What is the difference between the two? It's been a while since I remembered it.

Actually I barely even remember the Falco version on top 40 radio...also never charted on the Hot 100. The After the Fire version peaked at #5 in 1983 and is the preferred version on radio.

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Kommissar_(song)

MJ Kelly with Backtraxx USA played it on Magic 105.3 out in San Antonio in the late 90s. During the 80's at 8.

I meant the English version of Der Kommissar but the extended version of the song. Not the edit is the version I prefer.

 

[jfrancispastirchak]

Always wondered about that oddly timed fade near the end of Elvis Presley's Suspicious Minds. Sounds like an end-of-song fade, then it pots back up again. Was that an after-market goof up? Can't believe the producers turned it loose sounding like that.

Actually many stations have eliminated that false ending and making it sound level all the way through.

Great information, thanks. Haven't paid much attention to the Suspicious Minds fade-flaw lately, but I rarely hear it played anymore. I still wonder though what they were thinking, or, assuming this was a studio jump, why it wasn't fixed for release.

 

[michael hagerty]

Always wondered about that oddly timed fade near the end of Elvis Presley's Suspicious Minds. Sounds like an end-of-song fade, then it pots back up again. Was that an after-market goof up? Can't believe the producers turned it loose sounding like that.

Actually many stations have eliminated that false ending and making it sound level all the way through.

Great information, thanks. Haven't paid much attention to the Suspicious Minds fade-flaw lately, but I rarely hear it played anymore. I still wonder though what they were thinking, or, assuming this was a studio jump, why it wasn't fixed for release.

Apparently, Elvis had been performing the song on-stage before recording it and used the false fade and comeback as a dramatic effect live.

According to Wikipedia (grain of salt alert):

Session producer Felton Jarvis made the unusual decision to add a premature fade-out to the song starting at 3:36, mirroring the way Presley used to perform it in his live Las Vegas stage act.

 

[michael hagerty]

One of the worst cleanup jobs on lyrics ever has to be "Jet Airliner" by the Steve Miller Band. The line on the lp talks about "funky sh#t goin' down in the city". On the "radio edit" it's "funky kicks going down in the city." Really? "Kicks"? I think by the mid to late 70s that term was as dead as Elvis is today! What's that Congresswoman Bachmann? Oh, I'm sorry...he didn't die, it was his birthday!

I just heard "Jet Airliner" the unedited to custom edited version yesterday on KXBT between 12:55pm and 1:00pm, they did a cool edit of it (they needle scratched over sh#t) I hope BMP sells the station to Brazos Valley Communications or whomever will keep it's format alive as UT tabled the decision to purchase the station last month.

Borrowing my reply from the other thread, and posting it here:

WLS used to play their own custom edit of the album version, with the "funky kicks" flown in from the single edit. That makes more sense than some ridiculous "needle scratch" over an obscenity. Not sure why they would actually want to draw MORE attention to an obscenity.

Bleeps, scratches and silence are the worst way to deal with that kind of material.

My approach, which I stole from production legend Don Elliott at KKDJ, Los Angeles, was to record the unedited version onto a reel of tape at 30 ips, cut out the offending word, and splice it right back in...backwards. The song doesn't miss a beat and the word is no longer objectionable.

The first time Don used it was on the Isley Brothers' "Fight The Power", and it was brilliant.

 

[firepoint525]

One of the worst cleanup jobs on lyrics ever has to be "Jet Airliner" by the Steve Miller Band. The line on the lp talks about "funky sh#t goin' down in the city". On the "radio edit" it's "funky kicks going down in the city." Really? "Kicks"? I think by the mid to late 70s that term was as dead as Elvis is today! What's that Congresswoman Bachmann? Oh, I'm sorry...he didn't die, it was his birthday!

I just heard "Jet Airliner" the unedited to custom edited version yesterday on KXBT between 12:55pm and 1:00pm, they did a cool edit of it (they needle scratched over sh#t) I hope BMP sells the station to Brazos Valley Communications or whomever will keep it's format alive as UT tabled the decision to purchase the station last month.

Borrowing my reply from the other thread, and posting it here:
WLS used to play their own custom edit of the album version, with the "funky kicks" flown in from the single edit. That makes more sense than some ridiculous "needle scratch" over an obscenity. Not sure why they would actually want to draw MORE attention to an obscenity.

Bleeps, scratches and silence are the worst way to deal with that kind of material.
My approach, which I stole from production legend Don Elliott at KKDJ, Los Angeles, was to record the unedited version onto a reel of tape at 30 ips, cut out the offending word, and splice it right back in...backwards. The song doesn't miss a beat and the word is no longer objectionable.
The first time Don used it was on the Isley Brothers' "Fight The Power", and it was brilliant.

I don't really like that approach either. Better to use the sanitized version, if one is available.

 

[CTListener]

One of the worst cleanup jobs on lyrics ever has to be "Jet Airliner" by the Steve Miller Band. The line on the lp talks about "funky sh#t goin' down in the city". On the "radio edit" it's "funky kicks going down in the city." Really? "Kicks"? I think by the mid to late 70s that term was as dead as Elvis is today! What's that Congresswoman Bachmann? Oh, I'm sorry...he didn't die, it was his birthday!

I just heard "Jet Airliner" the unedited to custom edited version yesterday on KXBT between 12:55pm and 1:00pm, they did a cool edit of it (they needle scratched over sh#t) I hope BMP sells the station to Brazos Valley Communications or whomever will keep it's format alive as UT tabled the decision to purchase the station last month.

Borrowing my reply from the other thread, and posting it here:
WLS used to play their own custom edit of the album version, with the "funky kicks" flown in from the single edit. That makes more sense than some ridiculous "needle scratch" over an obscenity. Not sure why they would actually want to draw MORE attention to an obscenity.

Bleeps, scratches and silence are the worst way to deal with that kind of material.
My approach, which I stole from production legend Don Elliott at KKDJ, Los Angeles, was to record the unedited version onto a reel of tape at 30 ips, cut out the offending word, and splice it right back in...backwards. The song doesn't miss a beat and the word is no longer objectionable.
The first time Don used it was on the Isley Brothers' "Fight The Power", and it was brilliant.

I don't really like that approach either. Better to use the sanitized version, if one is available.

Changing the objectionable NWA line so it sounds like "cuff the police" might still offend some officers...

 

[rnigma1]

Seems like every version I've heard of "What It's Like" by Everlast has been censored to hellangone... including innocuous words like "drugs" and "weed."

 

[firepoint525]

Seems like every version I've heard of "What It's Like" by Everlast has been censored to hellangone... including innocuous words like "drugs" and "weed."

Ditto "Rock Star" by Nickelback.

 

[Fastphilly]

Here is one for the Paul McCartney/Wings fans. The LP and commercial 45 of "Maybe I'm Amazed" clocked in at 5:11. Remember that disgusting radio edit at 3:43? This was one of the first 12" singles pressed by Capitol and it was a radio only promo item. I think that short version was issued later on reissue 45's, but when the record was current the short version wasn't availible commercially. I can't believe some seller on discogs wants $600 for it. I found my copy for much less ;D http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/Fastphilly/wings.jpg

You could also get ONLY the full-length versions of "Silly Love Songs" and "With a Little Luck" on the commercial 45s. Paul was pretty good about putting the full-length versions on the single. But buyer beware, the "DJ edit" (about 3:10 or so) of "With a Little Luck" is what you get on Paul's compilation albums All the Best and (I think) Wingspan, too. (I don't have Wingspan in my collection, so I cannot definitively comment on it.) Even the video for "With a Little Luck" was done with the short version. (As far as I can tell, no edit of "Silly Love Songs" has ever been commercially available.)

I believe Wings "Let 'Em In" is another radio edit version that was never issued commercially. The radio edit runs 3:47 compared to the commercial 45 that clocks just over five minutes. One of the worst edits I've heard is "Natural High" by Bloodstone. The entire instrumental break is edited out which led to an abrupt edit.

I was not aware of any edit ever done for "Let 'Em In," but with it being over five minutes, it would not surprise me that it was edited somewhere. With that "false fade" near the end, I'm surprised that djs didn't just go ahead and cut it at that point. Maybe some did. Do you know of any youtube links for any of these edits?

Here is the "Let 'Em In" edit versionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPshYOki620

 

[Fastphilly]

One of the worst cleanup jobs on lyrics ever has to be "Jet Airliner" by the Steve Miller Band. The line on the lp talks about "funky sh#t goin' down in the city". On the "radio edit" it's "funky kicks going down in the city." Really? "Kicks"? I think by the mid to late 70s that term was as dead as Elvis is today! What's that Congresswoman Bachmann? Oh, I'm sorry...he didn't die, it was his birthday!

I just heard "Jet Airliner" the unedited to custom edited version yesterday on KXBT between 12:55pm and 1:00pm, they did a cool edit of it (they needle scratched over sh#t) I hope BMP sells the station to Brazos Valley Communications or whomever will keep it's format alive as UT tabled the decision to purchase the station last month.

Borrowing my reply from the other thread, and posting it here:
WLS used to play their own custom edit of the album version, with the "funky kicks" flown in from the single edit. That makes more sense than some ridiculous "needle scratch" over an obscenity. Not sure why they would actually want to draw MORE attention to an obscenity.

Bleeps, scratches and silence are the worst way to deal with that kind of material.
My approach, which I stole from production legend Don Elliott at KKDJ, Los Angeles, was to record the unedited version onto a reel of tape at 30 ips, cut out the offending word, and splice it right back in...backwards. The song doesn't miss a beat and the word is no longer objectionable.
The first time Don used it was on the Isley Brothers' "Fight The Power", and it was brilliant.

I don't really like that approach either. Better to use the sanitized version, if one is available.

The promo 45 of "Fight The Power" beeped over "Sh*t" in "Bullsh*t"

 

[oldies76]

Do Ya Think I'm Sexy - Rod Stewart, has been chopped up too much possibly down to 4 minutes.

The disco 12" single, which was aired back in '79 was 6 1/2 minutes long. Still have that one.

KRTH in LA has edited "Silly Love Songs" to around 3 minutes..sounds bad! Too much is being left out.

 

[willdav713]

Do Ya Think I'm Sexy - Rod Stewart, has been chopped up too much possibly down to 4 minutes.

The disco 12" single, which was aired back in '79 was 6 1/2 minutes long. Still have that one.

KRTH in LA has edited "Silly Love Songs" to around 3 minutes..sounds bad! Too much is being left out.

KAUM 96 1/2 Houston, Texas played that edited version of Stewart's Do you think I'm Sexy back in 1979. I heard it on a recorded aircheck doing a google search for KAUM-FM.