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Raising Randi in Arizona

> Franken's show is much better when he's doing it in front of
> a live audience -- there's much more energy in the air. In
> fact, Air America would be wise to have a live audience for
> his show, even when he's in New York. But he's been
> performing in front of audiences for years and Rhodes
> hasn't. I suspect she wouldn't do as well, especially if
> she's as "shy" as she's reported to be.

Fellow SNL-alum Dennis Miller went to a live audience and look what it got him.
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> Rich conservatives and conservative companies backed people
> like limbaugh early-on...

I can understand your wanting to retailiate for his churlish remarks, but responding with your own is not the way to handle it. On the other hand, if this is true, I'm writing a book and would like to include it.<P ID="signature">______________
Jerry

My passion for talk radio extends from Limbaugh to Komando to Franken. Please don't bore me with your political opinions or make commentary on what you imagine mine to be. No one cares.
</P>
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> Time to play with the trolls...

Let's not respond to surliness with inaccuarcy.<P ID="signature">______________
Jerry

My passion for talk radio extends from Limbaugh to Komando to Franken. Please don't bore me with your political opinions or make commentary on what you imagine mine to be. No one cares.
</P>
 
Re: "AAR STATION?" ???

> Stations that happen to have Air America hosts are
> PROGRESSIVE talk stations...NOT Air America stations...

This is of course true, but a technicality. People refer to certain stations as "Conservative talk radio" even though they carry a number of hours of computer, gardening, finance, and non-political talk, . For good or for ill, AAR has become shorthand for the format. Like Kleenex to facial tissue.
 
Re: Where PROGRESSIVE talk HAS NOT failed...and is HERE TO STAY...

> Why the uproar over progressive talk here I just can't understand when we have hosts like Alan Colmes who has been going in radio and TV at least since 1990...

When I was GM of WBMQ Savannah in the late '80's / early '90's, I had Alan following Rush Limbaugh.<P ID="signature">______________
Jerry

My passion for talk radio extends from Limbaugh to Komando to Franken. Please don't bore me with your political opinions or make commentary on what you imagine mine to be. No one cares.
</P>
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> There sure is a lot of posting on this board about a format
> that is failing miserably. Even its best stations have
> peaked already. And love those D.C. and L.A. ratings!

The peaks and valleys are largely determined by the election cycle for talk radio. The peak you see is most likely due to the fall election last year.

According to 12+ it is getting a litle bit of a share in DC- looks like it is an improvement from its sports format. It is a class B station in a competitive market. KTLK was sports until February. Not much of a chance to build a following, however, looks like it is flat from its sports format- I wouldn't call that failure. There are a bunch of AM stations (not progressive) that don't pull in any ratings and they do just fine. It is not on par with Conservative talk by a long shot- but in most places conservative talk is the only "successful" AM format at all (based on the definition that you need to be a top 10 station in the market). Many small AM stations are just happy to get ratings at all!
>
> If it wasn't for a few rich liberal fools constantly bailing
> this network out and paying to have it run in many markets,
> it wouldn't be around today.

"Liberal Fools". Why the Hate dear? How about all the "conservative fools" bailing out PAX TV? How about the failing formats of Radio Disney and so-called "happy-talk"?

Rupert Murdoch has been running a newspaper in New York at an incredible loss each year. Fox News took years to achieve dominance in the cable market being constantly underwritten by the parent company for years. I wouldn't call Rupert a conservative idiot. He is a private investor in new media ventures. You win some, you lose some.
>
> NPR is the home of liberals and they ain't migrating over to
> commercial radio. AAR will never survive. But it will rack
> up plenty of losses.
>
Progressive radio is here to stay- with or without AAR. Listen to the ads on progressive radio these days and you will be shocked. When I first started listening it was mostly public service. Now they have lots of "real" commercials during Majority Report and Stephanie Miller. That is the real arbiter of success.
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> Columbus, Ohio is the HUB of major markets in America, isn't
> it?

Columbus Ohio is ranked #35 in the nation. Not exactly the boondocks.

>
> New York has peaked and been going down hill, Los Angeles
> nor Washington D.C. can get out of the gate,

The New York station is holding steady and has a mediocre signal in a media saturated market. LA and Washington seem to be doing fine compared to their previous formats and the short period of time they have been on the air. I think adding Stephanie Miller for morning drive might add to LA's ratings in the next couple of cycles.

>Chicago won't
> ever happen

It already did. WCPT. Get *your* facts straight.

>and Washington D.C. isn't even on the radar
> (among others).

If the radar is ratings, then yes it is on the radar. A small blip but a blip indeed.

What other SMALL markets are going to put
> Air America in the black? Get real. Liberals, some advice,
> keep listening to NPR. Your fellow liberals aren't going to
> bail from it. I should know since most of my friends are
> liberals... Thankfully, I have all my senses.

Badmouthing people who disagree with you is no way to influence people. Please find another site to discuss your dislike (hatred?) for liberals, or try the "off the Air" portion of this site. This is not the place for it.
 
Re: "AAR STATION?" ???

>
> Ed Schultz (Jones/?new company name of Randy Michaels)

RadioActive Broadcasting is Michael's new group.
> Lionel

Lionel is on the WOR Radio Network.
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

That's assuming the commercials are actually intended to be buys for that show, not bonus buys or group buys with other Jones efforts.



> Progressive radio is here to stay- with or without AAR.
> Listen to the ads on progressive radio these days and you
> will be shocked. When I first started listening it was
> mostly public service. Now they have lots of "real"
> commercials during Majority Report and Stephanie Miller.
> That is the real arbiter of success.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"There ain't no reason to fight over a woman. There's two more down the street!".."Senisble Don", 700 WLW</P>
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably: Not really !

>
> Once Clear Channel pulls the plug, it will be all over.

Clear channel will send its low/mid power AM stations back to oldies and sports? The towns where libtalk is on typically has a strong Conservative talker or 2 and a strong sports station or 2. What do you think these Clear Channel stations will play? Hire a bunch of locals to read the farm report?

In
> Los Angeles, CCU is getting Air America for free and being
> paid a kick-back to air it.

For an insider you don't seem to understand the idea of syndication very well. Only a few of the best programs get paid for their programming (like Rush). Most radio programs are given away for free or pay the stations to play them. Those preachers on sunday pay money to be on the radio.

The vast majority of spots on
> K-Talk are a (free) bonus for buying (conservative talk)
> KFI. Now show me your progressive revenue and ratings
> sucesses.
>
Just look at radio and records. Almost all of the libtalk stations are doing as well as or better than they were with their previous formats. These stations can't get Rush and the other big conservative talkers. I can't speak to AAR's finances but they claim they will be in the black by years end. Better turn-around than most start-up ventures. How the heck we would know what the revenue is anyway? That would have to come out in the AAR company report next year.
 
> Fellow SNL-alum Dennis Miller went to a live audience and
> look what it got him.
>

Miller alienated his old SNL fans and many others when he switched from liberalism to conservatisim and all-out support for Bush. Franken has been a consistent liberal throughout his career.
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> That's assuming the commercials are actually intended to be
> buys for that show, not bonus buys or group buys with other
> Jones efforts.
>
Duly noted. The best way to see if the program succeeds is if it gets on in most markets by the end of this year. It is on over 60 now but I would think 100 should be the goal, I don't think they will hit it.
 
Re: "AAR STATION?" ???

> > Stations that happen to have Air America hosts are
> > PROGRESSIVE talk stations...NOT Air America stations...
>
> This is of course true, but a technicality. People refer to
> certain stations as "Conservative talk radio" even though
> they carry a number of hours of computer, gardening,
> finance, and non-political talk, . For good or for ill, AAR
> has become shorthand for the format. Like Kleenex to facial
> tissue.
>
Maybe This Tom should start a campaign to convince people not to call NPR affiliates "NPR stations." My local NPR affiliate probably devotes more than 50 percent of its time to local shows and programming from PRI, American Public Media, the BBC, etc., but people insist on calling it "the NPR station." Meanwhile, This Tom's current campaign is getting to be a bore and a pain.
 
Re: Will the REAL Liberal Trolls Please Stand Up

> Sorry, dude. But I am a major contibutor to conservative
> talk station.

I feel sorry for you.

You sound like one of those guys who based his radio career on the dogma that "nobody wants to listen to liberal talk radio hosts". Now that reality has proved your dogma to be false, you feel threatened to the core of your being, and spread lies about the reasons for AAR's success.

I understand. Get some therapy, you'll feel better about yourself.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
Conservative Failing as well...

Boy....people are quick to condem a format in an off election year....and on many "rimshot" suburban ams.....Liberals were forced away from AM talk radio years ago...it will take quite a while for them to come back.

And how much money has been put into thos LA and DC numbers? Compared to promotion money for the other talkers?


Look at the other side (or your side) for a change and see that the all Conservative format that Salem is "preaching" to the country ain't that hot either....

WIND is less than half a share in Chicago....on a HUGE SIGNAL!!! Lets compare that with WCPT in 4 books (time WIND has been on) and then figure in the Daytime status and no southern coverage of the city or suburbs....

Just because you want something to go away doesn't mean it is failing....
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

Does 12 + really mean anything to a talk statoin....

I am so sure that Air America is dying to get 17 year olds listening to liberal talk stations on AM
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

>
> > NPR is the home of liberals and they ain't migrating over
> to
> > commercial radio. AAR will never survive. But it will rack
>
> > up plenty of losses.
>

Funny how conservative stations are the ones who feel NPR is a competitor....
 
AAR Following In the Fox News Channel Tradition?

> >
> Just look at radio and records. Almost all of the libtalk
> stations are doing as well as or better than they were with
> their previous formats. These stations can't get Rush and
> the other big conservative talkers. I can't speak to AAR's
> finances but they claim they will be in the black by years
> end. Better turn-around than most start-up ventures. How the
> heck we would know what the revenue is anyway? That would
> have to come out in the AAR company report next year.
>
The Fox News Channel lost money for years. I worked there during its first year and it was clear that hardly anybody was watching and there were few commercials. I've heard that FNC lost $130 million in its first two years, but Rupert Murdoch stuck with it. He's also sticking with the New York Post, even though it's lost money for MANY years. As for any "AAR company report," I believe that it's a privately held company with no publicly-traded stock, so I don't think there will be any such report.
 
Re: Will the REAL Liberal Trolls Please Stand Up

> I suggest you look at my posting history in the Los Angeles
> forum.
>
After reading this one....I wouldn't read anything you write PERIOD!
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably: Not really !

Now show me your progressive revenue and ratings
> sucesses.
>
Did anyone say that in the first two years of conservative talk?
 
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