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Randi Rhodes joins Premiere Radio Networks
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Well so far okay for Premiere running the show. Randi's had a problem with hearing callers though, and once they fired the wrong relay cues. RRNET is supposed to fire at 57:50, but they were firing RRLOCAL.
talkjim said:It's actually not a test of anything. Randi Rhodes has already passed the test that matters--the ratings test--in numerous major markets, including the nation's number one market, and she is being given her just reward. Congratulations Randi--you earned it. Period.
Huh? What are these "numerous" major markets where she's "passed" the ratings test? Portland is only big market where she's done well. New York? Hardly. There's a reason she hasn't been carried in NYC for more than a year.
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Glad you posed the question, NewsVet, but you need to check your facts before you make certain assertions. If you go back and take a look at the Winter 2006 ARB, when Randi was on the 10,000 watt WLIB/New York, you'll find that she topped Sean Hannity in the core talkradio demo of men, 25-54. She had also been building against Hannity in ratings books prior to this one. And there's no particular reason she would not have continued to be competitive with Hannity had WLIB management not made a decision to return to its roots in African-American programming. It might also be noted that since making this move, WLIB has not seen the ratings that it saw with Air America programming, which admittedly, did leave something to be desired.
However, Randi was not the problem for Air America and WLIB--in fact, she was a ratings champ. This victory is especially notable when you take into account that WABC is a notably stronger signal than WLIB, that Hannity was much more heavily promoted by WABC, and that Hannity had his face on TV for an hour every evening. And all these are reasons why the nation's largest syndicator is making a bit bet on her in 2009.
And if, as you say, there's a reason why she hasn't been on the air lately in New York, it might in part have to do with the incompetence of certain radio decision makers--maybe even some of the same ones that have taken the industry into its current financial boom--and yes, I am being a bit sarcastic.
If you have any further questions on this matter, I'll be more than happy to give you some help.
However, Randi was not the problem for Air America and WLIB--in fact, she was a ratings champ. This victory is especially notable when you take into account that WABC is a notably stronger signal than WLIB, that Hannity was much more heavily promoted by WABC, and that Hannity had his face on TV for an hour every evening. And all these are reasons why the nation's largest syndicator is making a bit bet on her in 2009.
And if, as you say, there's a reason why she hasn't been on the air lately in New York, it might in part have to do with the incompetence of certain radio decision makers--maybe even some of the same ones that have taken the industry into its current financial boom--and yes, I am being a bit sarcastic.
If you have any further questions on this matter, I'll be more than happy to give you some help.
talkjim said:If you go back and take a look at the Winter 2006 ARB, when Randi was on the 10,000 watt WLIB/New York, you'll find that she topped Sean Hannity in the core talkradio demo of men, 25-54.
In other words, both Hannity and Rhodes got lousy ratings among men, 25-54, in New York City in one rating period. Gee, I'm impressed. That sure does make her a "ratings champ!" The entire industry is so impressed with Rhodes' record that she's now on a grand total of 12 stations and Clear Channel is so impressed that it's carrying her on five of its stations. Even in her former home market, West Palm Beach, Hannity is getting better ratings in Rhodes' old time slot than Rhodes got...so Rhodes has been bumped to evenings. Meanwhile, Clear Channel's KKGN in Oakland has reluctantly started airing two hours of Rhodes' three hour show, even after program director John Scott said that Rhodes' ratings had been "not great" and that he was considering not airing her show at all.
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I hope everyone sees what's going on here. You suggested, NewsVet, that Randi had no ratings track record in New York--I called you on it, and now you're trying to rain on her parade in any way you can. You're the first person I've ever heard to suggest that she had "lousy" ratings after beating Hannity. Premiere, the nation's largest syndicator, doesn't view it that way.
No question it's tougher for progressive hosts for an array of reasons, one of which is an obvious industry bias against progressive talk. Randi can beat Hannity in New York and no one even wants to acknowledge it--while if she were a conservative host pulling off the same feat, she would have been offered a much bigger syndication deal than she already had.
Next time get your facts straight before you post, NewsVet, and it doesn't enhance your credibility to demean the success of others.
No question it's tougher for progressive hosts for an array of reasons, one of which is an obvious industry bias against progressive talk. Randi can beat Hannity in New York and no one even wants to acknowledge it--while if she were a conservative host pulling off the same feat, she would have been offered a much bigger syndication deal than she already had.
Next time get your facts straight before you post, NewsVet, and it doesn't enhance your credibility to demean the success of others.
Relax talkjim, your the first person, including Randi, to trumpet and exact book where she beat Hannity. We all know one book is not going to sell anyone on anything. Can your source your data?
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I've already sourced my data, Warrior, just focus your eyes up the page--New York ARB, winter 2006, 25-54 male. If you google, you can find some web references. And I'm hardly the first one to point this out--it's one of a number of reasons why Randi Rhodes is employed today by Premiere Radio, and we're all sitting here talking about it.
talkjim said:I've already sourced my data, Warrior, just focus your eyes up the page--New York ARB, winter 2006, 25-54 male. If you google, you can find some web references. And I'm hardly the first one to point this out--it's one of a number of reasons why Randi Rhodes is employed today by Premiere Radio, and we're all sitting here talking about it.
Actually, Hannity beat Rhodes by more than two and a half to one in 25-54 (male and female) in that quarter even though Hannity's share was anemic, while Rhodes' share was pitiful. Ratings champ? Right. Brian Maloney was jumping for joy and trumpeting Rhodes' poor performance. Premiere may have its reasons for syndicating Rhodes, but her ratings in "major markets" isn't one of them. If you have any evidence to show otherwise, please provide links.
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This is getting funny. Your "link" to a right-wing blog proves nothing. I've provided my link--for the third time it's called the New York ARB, Winter 2006, in which Rhodes topped Hannity in the talk demo that MOST matters--some would say the only one that matters--male, 25-54. I realize, NewsVet, that this is very scary and terrifying to you, because it defies the "right-wing always beats left-wing" mantra of the talk radio establishment.
And you're a fool if you don't think that a major market ratings track record was THE key factor in Randi signing a contract with Premiere. That company, especially in the current economy, is not in the business of testing talent or throwing a bone to a host, who some executive thinks "might work."
And you're a fool if you don't think that a major market ratings track record was THE key factor in Randi signing a contract with Premiere. That company, especially in the current economy, is not in the business of testing talent or throwing a bone to a host, who some executive thinks "might work."
talkjim said:This is getting funny. Your "link" to a right-wing blog proves nothing. I've provided my link--for the third time it's called the New York ARB, Winter 2006, in which Rhodes topped Hannity in the talk demo that MOST matters--some would say the only one that matters--male, 25-54. I realize, NewsVet, that this is very scary and terrifying to you, because it defies the "right-wing always beats left-wing" mantra of the talk radio establishment.
And you're a fool if you don't think that a major market ratings track record was THE key factor in Randi signing a contract with Premiere. That company, especially in the current economy, is not in the business of testing talent or throwing a bone to a host, who some executive thinks "might work."
No you haven't provided a "link." A "link" is something we can click on. And as someone else pointed out, one narrow demo in one rating period more than three years ago proves nothing, especially when you're comparing Rhodes' share to an unusually mediocre number for Hannity. And please name one other instance where Rhodes beat Hannity in any demo in any quarter in any major market.
"Scary and terrifying" to me? Huh? I'm politically to the left of Obama, voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, and am a fan of Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart and Bill Moyers -- so your assumptions about my political leanings are about as on target as your characterizing Rhodes as a "ratings champ." Unfortunately, there aren't any "ratings champs" on progressive talk radio today, although I hope to live to see the day.
Premiere also syndicates Jesse Jackson. Is he a "ratings champ" too?
The whole reason you (talkjim) and I got into an extended p___ing contest on the Pittsburgh board was that you're making WAY too much out of one number in one book 3 years ago. If it mattered as much as you want it to matter, someone else in NY would have jumped all over Rhodes when WLIB went back to their comfort zone of Urban programming.
Clear Channel needs to fill time slots on a lot of stations. Their lib-talk properties in Burbank and Oakland (sorry, LA and San Fran) can both use her. Signing her to Premiere means she doesn't hit either station's payroll. THAT is why they signed her.
I now expect a round of condescending name calling, fire away.
Clear Channel needs to fill time slots on a lot of stations. Their lib-talk properties in Burbank and Oakland (sorry, LA and San Fran) can both use her. Signing her to Premiere means she doesn't hit either station's payroll. THAT is why they signed her.
I now expect a round of condescending name calling, fire away.
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"I now expect a round of condescending name calling, fire away."
Oh, now don't get into victimization mode--it doesn't become you, Parttimer. And in regard to Randi's win in 2006, you and I simply view it differently. And the signing of Randi by Premiere would indicate that they might be inclined to see it my way as well.
You choose to ignore the details and magnitude of what Randi did. She came into New York on WLIB from West Palm Beach in 2004--no one knew her, except for a maybe a handful of radio freaks who remembered her stint at WAPP in the 80's. She performed well, and topped most expectations from the beginning, built a following, and in two years, overtook Sean Hannity in the core talk demo. Hannity at that point had eight years of drivetime heritage on WABC--a more powerful and better-established station than WLIB, which had a heritage as an African-American talk station. He had been nationally syndicated since 2001, he had been much more extensively promoted than Randi, and had his mug on TV every night for an hour. Still, she beat him.
That's my idea of a champ and a winner. Plus, I gravitate to underdogs. If some right-winger had performed in the same manner against Hannity, there would be all kinds of right-wingers on this board hailing this person as the New Messiah.
And if you had achieved in that manner, Parttimer, my strong guess is that you would expect some recognition, rather than derision, from others. And you know what? I would say that you would deserve it.
Oh, now don't get into victimization mode--it doesn't become you, Parttimer. And in regard to Randi's win in 2006, you and I simply view it differently. And the signing of Randi by Premiere would indicate that they might be inclined to see it my way as well.
You choose to ignore the details and magnitude of what Randi did. She came into New York on WLIB from West Palm Beach in 2004--no one knew her, except for a maybe a handful of radio freaks who remembered her stint at WAPP in the 80's. She performed well, and topped most expectations from the beginning, built a following, and in two years, overtook Sean Hannity in the core talk demo. Hannity at that point had eight years of drivetime heritage on WABC--a more powerful and better-established station than WLIB, which had a heritage as an African-American talk station. He had been nationally syndicated since 2001, he had been much more extensively promoted than Randi, and had his mug on TV every night for an hour. Still, she beat him.
That's my idea of a champ and a winner. Plus, I gravitate to underdogs. If some right-winger had performed in the same manner against Hannity, there would be all kinds of right-wingers on this board hailing this person as the New Messiah.
And if you had achieved in that manner, Parttimer, my strong guess is that you would expect some recognition, rather than derision, from others. And you know what? I would say that you would deserve it.
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"No you haven't provided a "link." A "link" is something we can click on. "
I provided documentation for a fact that no one on this board has disputed--Randi beat Hannity in the Winter 2006 ARB, 25-54 men, in the nation's number one market. That conflicts with your suggestion that she had no ratings track record in New York--so suck it up, NewsVet. You made an erroneous assumption and you're still trying to talk your way out of. If you still don't believe me, check it out--ARB has a website--and that information is worth far more than the link to a right-wing blog that you posted here.
"one narrow demo in one rating period more than three years ago proves nothing, especially when you're comparing Rhodes' share to an unusually mediocre number for Hannity."
You're showing your lack of knowledge again, NewsVet. 25-54 men in a New York book is hardly considered a narrow demo by anyone other than yourself. Revenue totals at stations such as WABC are signfiicantly afffected by the ratings in this "narrow demo". I say it again, NewsVet--25-54 men is the key core demo for talkradio. I challenge you to find one major market Talk PD with any kind of track record who would disagree.
I would also point out that while Rhodes topped Hannity in only one book, it's also true that she steadily gained on him from the time of her entry to the market in 2004. We'll never know for sure but it's certainly reasonable to assume she would have remained quite competitive with him had it not been for WLIB's move to abandon Air America programming and return to its roots as an African-American station. Most people I've talked to about this say the decision was made out of frustration with the management of AA and a desire to return to the station's heritage in black programming. There's never been any hint that there was any dissatisfaction with Randi's ratings performance or even AA's overall ratings performance--and if that was the motive, it was a poor decision, because WLIB has never come close to equaling its ratings performance with AA.
Oh, and one other thing Mr. NewsVet--if that book was "unusually mediocre" for Hannity he seems to have had a number of those "unusually mediocre" performances--because he was recently topped again--both 12 plus and 25-54, by the right-wing Steve Malzberg at the usually lower-rated and older-skewing WOR.
I provided documentation for a fact that no one on this board has disputed--Randi beat Hannity in the Winter 2006 ARB, 25-54 men, in the nation's number one market. That conflicts with your suggestion that she had no ratings track record in New York--so suck it up, NewsVet. You made an erroneous assumption and you're still trying to talk your way out of. If you still don't believe me, check it out--ARB has a website--and that information is worth far more than the link to a right-wing blog that you posted here.
"one narrow demo in one rating period more than three years ago proves nothing, especially when you're comparing Rhodes' share to an unusually mediocre number for Hannity."
You're showing your lack of knowledge again, NewsVet. 25-54 men in a New York book is hardly considered a narrow demo by anyone other than yourself. Revenue totals at stations such as WABC are signfiicantly afffected by the ratings in this "narrow demo". I say it again, NewsVet--25-54 men is the key core demo for talkradio. I challenge you to find one major market Talk PD with any kind of track record who would disagree.
I would also point out that while Rhodes topped Hannity in only one book, it's also true that she steadily gained on him from the time of her entry to the market in 2004. We'll never know for sure but it's certainly reasonable to assume she would have remained quite competitive with him had it not been for WLIB's move to abandon Air America programming and return to its roots as an African-American station. Most people I've talked to about this say the decision was made out of frustration with the management of AA and a desire to return to the station's heritage in black programming. There's never been any hint that there was any dissatisfaction with Randi's ratings performance or even AA's overall ratings performance--and if that was the motive, it was a poor decision, because WLIB has never come close to equaling its ratings performance with AA.
Oh, and one other thing Mr. NewsVet--if that book was "unusually mediocre" for Hannity he seems to have had a number of those "unusually mediocre" performances--because he was recently topped again--both 12 plus and 25-54, by the right-wing Steve Malzberg at the usually lower-rated and older-skewing WOR.
talkjim said:"If you still don't believe me, check it out--ARB has a website--and that information is worth far more than the link to a right-wing blog that you posted here."
Ah, Arbitron doesn't post 2006 demo numbers for WLIB on its site, or if it does, I don't have access to them. And I strongly doubt that you do either. And even though I'm on the opposite side of the political fence from Maloney, I'd don't recall his ever making up rating numbers. He picks and chooses those that fit his right-wing agenda, but as far as I know they've all proven to be accurate. So did Hannity beat Rhodes by a margin of more than two and a half to one in 25-54 (men and women) in your all=time favorite NYC quarter or not?
"You're showing your lack of knowledge again, NewsVet. 25-54 men in a New York book is hardly considered a narrow demo by anyone other than yourself."
It's narrow because it's a small slice of what's a relatively small sample in the first place, resulting in a huge margin of error. Fifty percent or more swings from one book to another are all too common in that and other narrow demos.
"Oh, and one other thing Mr. NewsVet--if that book was "unusually mediocre" for Hannity he seems to have had a number of those "unusually mediocre" performances--because he was recently topped again--both 12 plus and 25-54, by the right-wing Steve Malzberg at the usually lower-rated and older-skewing WOR."
And your point is what? That his ratings in New York are usually mediocre? That Steve Malzberg is a "ratings champ?" Please tell us what Rhodes' ratings actually were rather than that she supposedly edged out Hannity in one New York demo in one quarter more than three years ago. She ranked 25th overall in her time slot -- where did she rank in 25-54 men?
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I would like to add just one thing to this discussion. Premiere doesn't make programming decisions based on politics. If Randi Rhodes were not a proven ratings winner, and more importantly has great potential for making them $$$$$, they would not be sinking a fortune into her new show. I hope CC drops Hannity or Savage here in Pittsburgh and puts Randi on.
You get half credit, they think they can make money with it. That's what it is about. Can she make more in Pittsburg than Hannity or Savage? Doubtful.argentarius said:I would like to add just one thing to this discussion. Premiere doesn't make programming decisions based on politics. If Randi Rhodes were not a proven ratings winner, and more importantly has great potential for making them $$$$$, they would not be sinking a fortune into her new show. I hope CC drops Hannity or Savage here in Pittsburgh and puts Randi on.
Libtalk needs to flip some underperforming music FMs to talk.
Rhodes may have some appeal in New York and South Florida with her Brooklyn/Queens attitude, but her act doesn't fly in most of the country. And she's gotten more obnoxious in the last couple of years, rudely cutting off callers (including many who agree with her) and going on ad nauseum about her personal life and celebrity friends.
And the claim that because she edged a right-winger in one demo in NYC more than three years ago is "very scary and terrifying" to the talk radio establishment is obviously absurd.
Prediction: Six months from now she'll be on fewer than half the stations she was on in 2006. But of course the way things are going Clear Channel may well go bankrupt before the end of the year and Rhodes may be looking for a fourth syndicator.
And the claim that because she edged a right-winger in one demo in NYC more than three years ago is "very scary and terrifying" to the talk radio establishment is obviously absurd.
Prediction: Six months from now she'll be on fewer than half the stations she was on in 2006. But of course the way things are going Clear Channel may well go bankrupt before the end of the year and Rhodes may be looking for a fourth syndicator.
argentarius said:I hope CC drops Hannity or Savage here in Pittsburgh and puts Randi on.
I hope the Pirates win the World Series. That's not gonna happen either.....
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