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Trust but verify. Nobody has seen any verification. You can trust that most predictions posted on this board turn out to be total BS.
If today's Rap "Music" is rapping about other more up lifting things and not advocating rape, murder, hatred, using vulgar language including the "F" and "N" words, or Ho, Bitch, etc, then that's fine. Sadly when I'm forced in traffic to be stuck next to some knucklehead who's blasting that "music" at 190 db [so it can be heard two blocks away] sadly I hear that sort of stuff.
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Whatever it is that makes great music and poetic lyrics is completely missing in rap. It's junk music - "junk" used as in "junk food." It's about as musical as a pile driver (or any heavy machinery). It's danz music for people who can't dance.
That's your opinion about music that's not meant to appeal to you. It's working. Some art is mean to offend. It's working. You're justifying it as art by saying it doesn't fit in a traditional bag or box. It's working.
Having said all that, have you actually LISTENED to this station? The music is a mixture of melodic and rhythmic soul music, from well known artists like Queen Latifah, Destiny's Child, Beyoncé, Kanye West, LL Cool J, and Lil Wayne. It's not all rap music, it's not all hip hop. You don't like it. That's OK. You don't HAVE to like it. But to say these established hits by well known established performers shouldn't be played is nuts. This is classic hits for a different demographic.
Just an observation on the Classic Hip Hop format: Does anybody else find it odd that Destiny's Child and Ludacris are considered "Classic"?
First time I'd heard the genre was off a Long Island college radio station. I'd just caught the start of the DJ's show, with him yakking away and rhyming and working the rhythm. 'Gonna be great ; gonna be swell,' etc.
On came the second song. And he started in again with the same spiel! Then a third song ; same patter.
That was it ?!?
Well anyway, with me it's not a race thing. The DJ was some white guy.
@ Fred : I once wrote a rap song and posted it on Allan Sniffen's radio board.
See, someone had mentioned that it took talent to write a rap song. I think I proved that person wrong, because I have no music talent. It took me exactly a half a shift * as a taxi driver * to come up with enough requisite rhymes plus to 'sample' two songs for the melody. Sniffen left it up for a while, even though I poked fun at his regular posters at the time (including me). I'll send you a copy if you are in dire need of reassurance that my anecdotal testimony is indeed accurate on the matter.
I'd heard the genre derisively called 'The Soundtrack For Date-Rape', 'Disco Without The Music', 'Rhapsody For Graffiti', 'Double-Dutch Lyrics By Males', and other unflattering descriptions. But that first impression, that introduction was a telling one. Some 15 year old gets hold of a book of homonyms, sort of like I multitasked at the wheel of my cab, and the result is instant genius?
I don't think so.
There are a couple of the songs I like hearing, a few times a year. But I have to think that a steady diet of the older stuff stands to be as niched as the modern stuff is -- only with more demo problems.
On came the second song. And he started in again with the same spiel! Then a third song ; same patter.
That was it ?!?
Well anyway, with me it's not a race thing. The DJ was some white guy.
@ Fred : I once wrote a rap song and posted it on Allan Sniffen's radio board.
See, someone had mentioned that it took talent to write a rap song. I think I proved that person wrong, because I have no music talent. It took me exactly a half a shift * as a taxi driver * to come up with enough requisite rhymes plus to 'sample' two songs for the melody. Sniffen left it up for a while, even though I poked fun at his regular posters at the time (including me). I'll send you a copy if you are in dire need of reassurance that my anecdotal testimony is indeed accurate on the matter.
I'd heard the genre derisively called 'The Soundtrack For Date-Rape', 'Disco Without The Music', 'Rhapsody For Graffiti', 'Double-Dutch Lyrics By Males', and other unflattering descriptions. But that first impression, that introduction was a telling one. Some 15 year old gets hold of a book of homonyms, sort of like I multitasked at the wheel of my cab, and the result is instant genius?
I don't think so.
There are a couple of the songs I like hearing, a few times a year. But I have to think that a steady diet of the older stuff stands to be as niched as the modern stuff is -- only with more demo problems.
It's basically drawing on the same era that Nash Icon is using for it's classic country format. In that way, it's hard for some to accept Shania Twain as classic country. But it certainly isn't current, and there's a huge audience for that era.
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What will happen with 1210? I'm shocked that CBS didn't sell that station, instead of keeping 610 AM
I wouldn't say it's "uplifting", but it's more pop-ish than it used to be.
How do you know the jerk in the other car is listening to radio, rather than a CD player or other audio source? You don't...unless you actually hear DJ patter or a commercial. (Or unless you're tuned to the same station?
)How do you know the jerk in the other car is listening to radio, rather than a CD player or other audio source? You don't...unless you actually hear DJ patter or a commercial. (Or unless you're tuned to the same station?
So are you saying that today's Rap formatted stations in the Philly/Wilmington markets don't play ANY Rap tunes that use the "F" or "N" words, don't degrade women by calling them ho's, bitches, sluts, or advocating rape or advocating killing white folks or cops, etc, etc?
Apparently some music on Rap stations today is actually music based on what someone above posted, but the question I just asked needs to be answered. If the answer is NO they no longer play such tunes then great I have no problem with a station airing other stuff, but the stuff I've mentioned should NOT be allowed to be broadcast on OTA stations anymore than I'd allow the KKK to broadcast their hateful thoughts, it works both ways. There are just somethings that should not be airing on OTA radio/TV in my opinion.
The "F" word can't air on an OTA radio station. About 20 years ago, the music industry and radio industry had a long discussion about the song "Cop Killer," and it was concluded that songs like that shouldn't be on the radio. Just because you hear a song on someone else's car radio doesn't mean it's coming from an OTA radio station. But ultimately, the Supreme Court has ruled that these decisions should be based on local standards. They didn't want to get in the censorship business. Same with radio. It's up to the people in the community to decide what's acceptable and what isn't.
So that means I could hear those offensive things on an OTA radio station other then the "F" word, since there isn't an FCC / Supreme Court ban on airing such trash.
Thanks for clarifying that.
To answer Jeff, I don't know if it was an OTA station, but apparently, based on what The Big A said above, it could be. In any case that sort of "entertainment" is crap and is of no redeeming value, in my opinion. It's pure hate speech. However, it's a free nation, so you can fill your life with such garbage, I choose to tune elsewhere.
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FredLeonard
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There were at least a couple of versions of "Cop Killer" recorded - one by the "performer" who went on to play a cop on Law & Order: SVU. Affirmative action makes strange bedfellows.
MikeFromDelaware: Isn't this the kind of trash played on the station the Steinmans just acquired?
MikeFromDelaware: Isn't this the kind of trash played on the station the Steinmans just acquired?
No. I said the Supreme Court turned that decision to local communities. So it's up to your community leaders to say what they want or don't want on the radio. And it's up to you to let them know how you feel.
My question to you is: Do you have a list of songs that have "those offensive things" in them? Post it here. It might be interesting to see what songs you would ban if it was up to you.
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FredLeonard
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I believe the Supreme Court decision you have in mind dealt with porn. And it applied to print, photos and film - not to broadcast. The court has always upheld a different standard for the public airwaves.
And who are these "community leaders" you think can decide what's good for everybody else? And how do you define "community."
Just another example of how sick this country is: Gratuitous violence on TV is fine but don't you dare show a woman's boobs. The opposite is true in Europe, a much more enlightened society which has true universal health care, pensions, job protection and leads in all educational measures.
It dealt with obscenity, and the case was cited in the latest court discussions about FCC rules, so it applies. It sounds to me as though you and MFD find this music to be obscene or offensive.
Who are community leaders? How about the mayor, city council, church groups, PTAs, and all those civic organizations who represent groups of people. If a radio station is playing music that someone within its signal area finds objectionable, those listeners have a right to complain to the station and the FCC. That's proper protocol. Have you or MFD done this yet? Complaints must be made through official channels, not on computer message boards.
No I choose instead to not tune in to such stations. I'm not really into censoring music, books, movies, radio/TV, so as long as I'm not forced to have to read/listen/watch. If you choose to read/listen/watch it that is your business. Keeping this focused on radio, what I object to is people playing their radio/CD/whatever in their car with Voice of the Theater speakers at 190 db so everyone else has to listen while stuck in traffic. Or at home in my house having to hear bass notes rumble through my home while a car drives by. My guess is if I did that with some Organ/Choir Church Music I might prefer, many here would find that objectionable. Again, one man's music is another man's noise. So my point is listen to what you wish, but don't force me to have to hear it and I won't force my music down your throat. Consideration for others is what we used to call this back when I was a kid. Second point, just because I have no use for Rap doesn't make me a racist any more than if you have no use for Organ/Choir church music makes you anti-Christian.
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