Ratings, are you kidding me?

[FredLeonard]

It dealt with obscenity, and the case was cited in the latest court discussions about FCC rules, so it applies. It sounds to me as though you and MFD find this music to be obscene or offensive.

Who are community leaders? How about the mayor, city council, church groups, PTAs, and all those civic organizations who represent groups of people. If a radio station is playing music that someone within its signal area finds objectionable, those listeners have a right to complain to the station and the FCC. That's proper protocol. Have you or MFD done this yet? Complaints must be made through official channels, not on computer message boards.

Politicians. Preachers. Tea trash and the religious right. They don't speak for me. They don't represent me. They just get off on telling everybody else how to live. I hope those people find special places in hell.

 

[MikefromDelaware]

There were at least a couple of versions of "Cop Killer" recorded - one by the "performer" who went on to play a cop on Law & Order: SVU. Affirmative action makes strange bedfellows.

MikeFromDelaware: Isn't this the kind of trash played on the station the Steinmans just acquired?

Fred, I don't listen to either 101.7 Urban format or 1510 Urban Gospel, so I can't say specifically what sort of music they play today. Hard to say what Delmarva Broadcasting will do with either once the FCC approves of the sale and Delmarva totally takes control of both stations.

I still believe 1150 WDEL will start simulcasting on 101.7 and maybe even become WDEL-FM. As far as 1510AM goes, I could envision that station simulcasting WXCY's Country format. Salem county where WFAI 1510 is located had a pretty solid country audience. 1510 used to be WJIC Salem County's Country station until it was sold and the then new owner made it a Urban Gospel station.

But those are just my guesses as to what Delmarva will do. We'll just have to wait and hear sometime in 2015.

 

[TheBigA]

This is what the moderator considers name calling. An unprovoked attack, for no reason.

All I did was cite the "community leaders" identified by the FCC from when they required Community Ascertainment. For many years, they are the people radio stations were required to interview to identify local issues for radio stations to cover. And for that, you call me a fascist.

 

[davideduardo]

Politicians. Preachers. Tea trash and the religious right. They don't speak for me. They don't represent me. They just get off on telling everybody else how to live. I hope those people find special places in hell.

Tough. If none of the community leaders represent your interests, then your interests are likely limited to you and a few others.

The FCC, as BigA mentions, has had community ascertainment practices in effect for about 5 decades. While it is up to each station to identify the specific leaders it will interview, the broad categories include:

· Educators
· Local government at all levels
· Political party representatives
· Community organizations such as United Appeal, Red Cross
· Labor leaders
· Business leaders such as representatives of industrial and retail associations
· Law Enforcement
· Representatives of ethnic or minority groups such as the NAACP and NCLR
· Military leaders if there are significant bases or facilities in the community.
· Religious leaders representing the broadest spectrum of faiths and denominations.
· Activists such as those involved with environmental, social and economic change
· Anything else the station feels will show that they have made contact with diverse points of view.

Of course, a station is not obligated to address the concerns or issues raised by any person or group. That decision is incumbent on the station itself.

 

[ixnay]

Too bad RD doesn't have a TIO board. Iykwim. I know we have ABB, but still...

ixnay

 

[FredLeonard]

The Babbit Bunch. The people station managers play golf with and hang out with at Chamber of Commerce luncheons. No wonder radio has always had such a right-wing tilt. And "preachers?" Whatever happened to no establishment of religion? This is the elite. The status quo. It's disgusting. These people are not "the community." They are in no way in touch with "the community." They have nothing but contempt for the rest of us.

Being pro-authority and deferential to authority is the basic definition of Fascism.

 

[TheBigA]

Being pro-authority and deferential to authority is the basic definition of Fascism.

I was simply answering your question. And for that, you call me a name.

Here is the board policy about name calling:

Merriam-Webster defines "name calling" as: "the act of using offensive names to insult someone".

If there is name calling, the post will be reviewed by a moderator once we have 3 complaints (reported posts) and the post will be edited or deleted. The reason will be "name calling".

This is the second complaint. Any one for a third?

 

[BOZ Profit]

I was simply answering your question. And for that, you call me a name.


This is the second complaint. Any one for a third?

Please use the "Report this Post" feature when "reporting" an infraction.

 

[TheBigA]

Please use the "Report this Post" feature when "reporting" an infraction.

I just figured out how it works.

 

[BOZ Profit]

I just figured out how it works.

FYI, in case you didn't notice, edits have been made.

 

[davideduardo]

The Babbit Bunch. The people station managers play golf with and hang out with at Chamber of Commerce
luncheons.

Quite to the contrary. Ascertainment, when well done, represents all factions of a community, including antiestablishment voices.

In some markets in the past, stations did joint ascertainment, charging several people to create a calendar of interviews over a several day period so that the community leaders would not be called on by a dozen or more stations, all asking the same thing. I organized such a group in Market #14 twice in the 70's, and we invited everyone from the Socialist Party leader (and a frequent political candidate) to labor leaders to animal rights and conservation activists. We also invited police chiefs, mayors and councilpersons as well as representatives from many faiths.

Since ascertainment is intended to guide stations in identifying the "significant community problems and issues" that cross section of groups and organizations would certainly mention any major concern many times.

No wonder radio has always had such a right-wing tilt.

Ascertainment is not intended to help determine entertainment programming. It is supposed to guide stations on the issues to cover in public affairs and "Other" programming and serve as a guide for the selection of PSA announcement beneficiaries.

And "preachers?" Whatever happened to no establishment of religion?

I'm pretty sure that any "significant" community issue will come up without a representative of the agnostics or the atheists or even the Deists. Stations are not obligated to address very niche issues that are specific to one small group. They are supposed to address the pressing issues of the community, perhaps with some filtering to select those that would be most appropriate for the demographics of a specific station and format.

This is the elite. The status quo. It's disgusting. These people are not "the community."

Anyone who has done ascertainment knows that the community issues tend to be very consensus-based. They have to do with education, infrastructure, economic development, recreational facilities, crime and safety. Of course the animal activists will also be interested in use of animals for medical research and so on down the line. But those are specific issues and not consensus ones.

The whole idea of ascertainment is to find out what the large issues are, not the ones of splinter groups, small population segments and such.

They are in no way in touch with "the community." They have nothing but contempt for the rest of us.

And "Misanthropes" is not a group that needs to be ascertained.

Being pro-authority and deferential to authority is the basic definition of Fascism.

I have worked under a Fascist government, a Socialist one and lived under both military and civilian dictatorships. You may have a nice dictionary definition, but you don't know what the true conditions of any of those kinds of government are.

 

[FredLeonard]

The list posted above is all establishment, all the time. OK, maybe the station sends out some questionnaires but managers go to chamber of commerce luncheons and listen to fellow suits. They decide what the hoi polli need to be educated about. And nobody is less in touch than these country club, golf-playing bosses.

Besides, this is a music format we were talking about here. Few stations do any programming related to "public issues" any more and since when do they ask these so-called establishment "leaders" what format the station should have?

PS: David, a political philosophy always precedes "true conditions" of government. Facism is a political philosophy and it was around for more than a decade before Hitler took power, stoking hate and anger and gaining adherents. The tea party and religious right haven't taken power - yet, but their philosophy is pretty clear.

 

[TheBigA]

The list posted above is all establishment, all the time.

Once again, YOU asked the question. Radio stations are licensed by the government. You know that. So the fact that owners consult with community leaders should be no surprise. And back to the topic, these owners are responsible to these same leaders in airing certain songs. If you go back to the "Cop Killer" story about 20 years ago, you'll see lots of community leaders stating their opinions, and causing a lot of trouble with the song's record label Warner Brothers. Ultimately, they won.

The lesson is if you or anyone else think the music being played on a particular radio station is racist, sexist, obscene, or anything else, you have the right, either alone or in a group, to complain to the radio station and the FCC. AFAIK, neither you nor the other poster have complained to anyone except a computer message board. That doesn't count as an official complain. So do your homework, listen to the station, find out if the music being played is what you say it is, and take whatever step you feel is necessary. You have recourse, and you knew that all along.

 

[davideduardo]

The list posted above is all establishment, all the time. OK, maybe the station sends out some questionnaires but managers go to chamber of commerce luncheons and listen to fellow suits. They decide what the hoi polli need to be educated about. And nobody is less in touch than these country club, golf-playing bosses.

Ascertainment at the peak of the regulation of non-entertainment programming could take several weeks. It could not be done by questionnaire and could not be done by mail. It was a requirement to do it in person. One ascertainment for a new station in the Tidewater, VA, market I did in 1970 took the better part of 3 weeks and covered areas from Norfolk and Portsmouth to Elizabeth City, NC. And I spent as much time with local Black leaders as with the Mayor of Norfolk.

That experience was typical.

Besides, this is a music format we were talking about here. Few stations do any programming related to "public issues" any more and since when do they ask these so-called establishment "leaders" what format the station should have?

I defined the ascertainment procedure because it shows that the FCC does not want community leader input on format selection... it wants stations to be aware of the greater issues of a community and to then, to some extent, serve them.

PS: David, a political philosophy always precedes "true conditions" of government. Facism is a political philosophy and it was around for more than a decade before Hitler took power, stoking hate and anger and gaining adherents.

I'm quite aware of that having both lived in a country where I met and worked with many Survivors and having, later, worked in a country where latter-day Facism in its "Peronist" variant still existed. Your textbook responses are typical of a pseudo-intellectual from the left who has never experienced any of the things they either advocate or repudiate.

The tea party and religious right haven't taken power - yet, but their philosophy is pretty clear.

That's your opinion.

 

[DOB]

When you have to lie or make things up to make your point, then you really don't have a point to make now do you?

So those who are lying about me and my comment, show me where I called anyone a racist, in fact show me where the word "racist" that you are claiming I stated, is found anywhere in my post. I never said that word once, you are lying, purposely being dishonest due to the fact that my comments are sound, impartial, and fair, you are clearly not and thus need to lie and make up words that I never said.

The word I said was bigot, it isn't on me that you don't understand the definitions of simple basic words, not my fault that you are uneducated.

"Bigot: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group."

Clearly there are posters here who are bigoted toward pop and rhythmic music, the 25-54 numbers cannot be denied yet the bigots still spew on that it is kid music with pop, and only gangsters listen to hip hop. You probably are racist, but I don't care, this board is about radio, that's what I'm hear to discuss.

Also, another lie from the bigots, one doesn't like that I posted the 18-49 and 25-54 numbers that show boom to be #4 in these ADULT demos. It needs to lie and ignore that and go on some unrelated rant about the beauty pageant numbers, clearly I included the adult demos but the bigot idiot needs to ignore all that doesn't fit its fake world, then lie on and create its strawman since it is incapable of taking on the truth and facts that I posted.

I'm hear to discuss radio, the things that matter in Philly radio like a new station that within one month is top 5 in all the adult demos. Go ahead and talk about stations that cannot even get a one share and are not top 30 in any adult demo if you wish, I rightfully commented on the strangeness of those obsessed with meaningless stations with no listeners, while ignoring a true winner one that is a favorite choice among ADULT Philly listeners, one that reaches those who advertisers are all about reaching.

 

[JeffM]

. Your textbook responses are typical of a pseudo-intellectual from the left who has never experienced any of the things they either advocate or repudiate.
That's your opinion.

Except that "pseudo-intellectuals from the left" generally do not rant against affirmative action and "Feminazis," (a Rush-ism if ever was,) advocate English-only laws, endorse royalty and an elite ruling class, or conflate LBJ and "Bull" Connor into the same category. That's the sort of thing that "blows one's cover."

 

[Ravens]

Except that "pseudo-intellectuals from the left" generally do not rant against affirmative action and "Feminazis," (a Rush-ism if ever was,) advocate English-only laws, endorse the concept of monarchical families, or conflate LBJ and "Bull" Connor into the same category. That's the sort of thing that "blows one's cover."

There's a big problem. The particular person you're talking about claims to have an Ivy League degree, hates conservatives, and rails against affirmative action on this very board. That's a pretty textbook definition of "pseudo-intellectual from the left".

And Bull Connor and LBJ absolutely belong in the same category. Google the 200 years quote from LBJ for confirmation.

 

[JeffM]

There's a big problem. The particular person you're talking about claims to have an Ivy League degree, hates conservatives, and rails against affirmative action on this very board. That's a pretty textbook definition of "pseudo-intellectual from the left".

He hates liberals too. PS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy (Though I know that if Ann Coulter says it isn't true, then it can't be, right?)

 

[Ravens]

We're not going to do this again. It wasn't Ann Coulter saying the Southern Strategy is a myth. It's pretty much everyone that isn't in the race hustling business. You've already been proven wrong before, let's not go through this again.

 

[MikefromDelaware]

DOB, I went back and no you didn't call anyone a racist, instead you said this: "We just had the biggest success radio story for Philly radio in years, yet the discussion on the ratings here is about some Christian AM with a .4? WHAT? I don't want to go on further since I might be making fun of someone with a mental deficiency which would explain talking about a .4 am and not a new station that just hit a homerun."

DOB, I already explained to you why someone like me would discuss an AM religious station that the rating showed as a possible 4.0 rating, but did get a 0.4 rating and ignore some other FM station that got a 3+ rating that's brand new.

As I said, I asked the question because that religious AM station was placed with a station that did have a 4.0 rating and wanted to be sure it was correct for the religious station. As it turned out, the religious station did only get a 0.4 and should have been listed at the bottom of the ratings. Mystery solved.

The other part of the answer is I'm interested in religious radio stations as one of my favorite stations to listen to isn't an OTA station, but an online station called Lutheran Public Radio. Family Radio's beliefs [WDKN 950] I do not agree with, but they play some nice Christian music which I do enjoy. So I'll tune in, especially at Christmas to hear a more worshipful type of Christmas music than the Santa Baby/ Rein Deer / Frosty songs the secular stations tend to favor.


So now I've explained it to you tiwce. You seem to want folks to get into some big discussion about a new station called boom. Until this thread, I had not heard of it. Frankly with your attitude, I'm even less interested in scanning by it to even hear what they are playing. You see this is still a free nation and I can listen to what I want whether or not you like it or not. I can also ask any radio question here I want without YOUR approval. So maybe you should learn an old lesson that says: you get far more flies with sugar than you do with vinegar.

So my question to you after all of this, are you not capable of understanding why I asked the above question?? I think I'm going to end this post, because to say anything more, I might find myself making fun of someone with a mental deficiency. Have a nice day and enjoy your FM station called boom.