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Ratings due later today...

notice how she skipped over the amd losses at 96.9...

Well, they're saving that in case Howie doesn't set the world on fire when he hits AMD. Maloney and Heslam are already writing the stories about how Imus getting fired and the musical chair morning format really put Carr behind the eight-ball from the get go. Funny how that works, eh? They might need this arrow in their quivers to use as a fallback position when folks figure out that Red Sox playoff games played between 6 and 10 am are very, very, rare.

she is married to a management type at the herald...herald's management worships howie...draw your own conclusions...

I read somewhere in the alternative press, it might have been Dan Kennedy, that Heslam is friends with another Herald scribe who was passed over for a permanent slot on WRKO when DePetro was canned. Don't know if that's true, but there must be a reason why a supposed journalist would moonlight as a flack for Carr.

wtkk will have its own pr machine once howie one trick pony starts there...

Wrong. You haven't been paying attention. Only WRKO uses the services of a spinmeister public relations person. WTKK will get 'explanatory' and 'amplifying' information out as part of an 'educational' outreach effort, and Heslam will report it as a public service notice.

Regards,
TSB
 
If 'EEI's ratings haven't suffered during Gerry Callahan's absence and with a parade of flotsam and jetsam (Larry Johnson, Craig Mustard, Meterparel,etc.)filling in on the morning show, what does that do to D&C's contract negotiations? It seems to me that as long as there is a high degree of interest in the Red Sox, Patriots, and even the Celtics, the ratings will be fine. Therefore, the "talent" has very little to do with the ratings. So why wouldn't WEEI just let D&C walk if they demand too much? Where else would they go? The other sports stations in Boston have lousy signals and nobody ever heard of them outside of New England.

Does this make any sense, or am I missing something?
 
>>another Herald scribe who was passed over for a permanent slot on WRKO when DePetro was canned.

let's see who has done fill ins, etc...Joe Sciacca..?
 
raccoonradio said:
>>another Herald scribe who was passed over for a permanent slot on WRKO when DePetro was canned.

let's see who has done fill ins, etc...Joe Sciacca..?

Yep, he's the one, or at least one of them.

Regards,
TSB
 
Why would anyone write anything about TKK mornings? The spring book was Imus/Barnicle. The summer book looks like its going to be fill-in Graham. Either 10 shares or .10 shares and it would still be irrelevant.

There's no reason for anyone to write about TKK mornings until Howie starts, whenever that is. And since morning drive is so important to listening patterns, it's hard to make judgments about the rest of the day.

Oh, and did anyone notice the difference between WRKO's numbers at night and the mornings? Thousands of guys are getting in their cars the morning after a Sox game and wrenching their throwing arms to get away from Finneran. And that's against the non-existent mornings at WTKK.

Imagine what those numbers would look like if they had Howie waiting on the FM dial. No wonder advertisers are betting on WTKK.
 
TSBench said:
D. R. Tucker said:
TSB, you mean to say that Maloney is "invested in defeat"? :)

That's an excellent way to put it. And yesterday his stock took a bigger hit than the Dow Jones.

As you know, I'm not a big fan of talk radio in general, or WRKO or WTKK in particular. But I'm even less of a fan of disengenuous, agenda-driven frauds like Maloney. He doesn't want 'conservative' talk radio, he wants 'Republican' talk radio. And as a hard-core conservative (my wife says my life story should be filmed by 19th Century-Fox) I am pissed at the Mass Republican party and its talk radio sycophants who've presided over the destruction of a conservative party in Mass. What we've needed is a rigorous debate, where arguments are honed and philosophies are developed and defended, and instead we've gotten a bunch of hosts telling folks what they want to hear. So, talk radio's effect on local political outcomes is mostly illusory.The Democrats figured this out, and essentially ceded the talk radio airwaves to the Republicans while they took everything else which wasn't nailed down. While Carr outted hacks, and he, Feinburg, Miller, Graham, and Severin bashed Patrick, and demmies, non-stop, the liberals finally ran the table. Nice going. Leverett Saltonstall must be turning in his grave.

Then, we finally get somebody who's more conservative than 95% of the people in the state, Finneran, who actually knows how the hard-ball game is played and has experience actually influencing elections (he's given credit for destroying Harshbarger's campaign against Celluci with a single line calling him a 'moonbat'), and what does Maloney do? He immediately goes on the warpath to ruin him. Why? Because Finneran's a Democrat. All the 'outrage' about 'Tommie Taxes' and 'Convicted felon' is just cover, boob bait for the Kool Aid drinkers. If you want to identify the clueless, the mile-wide-and-an-inch deep thinkers, just watch for those buzzwords.

It didn't take long for his conspiracy theory mentality to bubble to the top. Remember the "this is all a conspiracy by Kahn/Wolfe/Entercom/David Field (pick one or more) to destroy conservative talk in Boston." The chosen instrument was Finneran or the Red Sox, depending on the month of the year. Well, that one didn't work out, nor did a couple of following theories, so now he's down to railing (the last time I looked) about paltry management bonuses at Entercom, with his information supplied by an 'insider' who doesn't seem to even grasp how radio advertising is sold. They certainly don't make informants like they used to.

I can't see him getting much mileage out of this last one, so we'll have to wait a day or two to see what the next 'talking point' is. All we know for certain is that it will be just more non-responsive crap.

Regards,
TSB

I think it's clear that Maloney and many of the commenters on SaveWRKO want "Republican" talk radio, in the sense that they want a media outlet that's specifically anti-Democrat as a counter to the media outlets (such as the Globe) that are specifically anti-Republican. Maloney and the commenters view the Democrats as a top-to-bottom corrupt party, and thus Finneran, despite his conservatism on certain issues, is intolerable, as he's the representative of what's seen as an institutionally corrupt party. (My sense is that if 'RKO offered the morning slot to someone like Joe Lieberman, many of these criticisms would still be made by Maloney. I'm not sure if it's about Finneran per se, so much as it is about preserving talk radio in general and WRKO in particular as a firmly anti-Democrat entity.)
 
I think it's clear that Maloney and many of the commenters on SaveWRKO want "Republican" talk radio, in the sense that they want a media outlet that's specifically anti-Democrat

Then they should come right out an say it, rather than talk about conspiracies against 'conservatives.' And, if anyone here thinks the Massachusetts Republican party is conservative, they've sniffed one tube too many of airplane glue. I think it was James McGregor Burns who observed that 'on the local level, there is no real philosophical difference between the two major parties." If that observation applies anywhere, it is here.

as a counter to the media outlets (such as the Globe)

The Globe has been the house organ of the Democrats for as long as I can remember (although, ironically, the politician they hated the most, in recent memory, was Finneran); that of the Repubs,the old Herald-Traveler broadsheet The H-T is long gone, the Globe is going down the chute, and the 'conservative' paper, the Herald tabloid, is deteriorating before our eyes into the worst POS ever to come off a printing press. If Maloney & Co. want to 'save' something, how's about starting with something that actually needs saving, the Herald. As it stands now, my wife is embarrassed when I put a Herald on top of the curbside recycling bin.

that are specifically anti-Republican.

It's not the media that is anti-Republican, it is the electorate. There is plenty of partisan opinion in the Boston 'opinion' media, and most of it IS Republican. The "all the media is arrayed against the Repubs" meme just doesn't fly. In all of Boston talk radio, there is only one certified hard-core lefty in a prominent daypart, on either major talk station, Braude. There are only two who, I think, could be definitively identified as Democrats, Finneran and Braude, and it would be difficult for them to be farther apart philosophically.

Maloney and the commenters view the Democrats as a top-to-bottom corrupt party, and thus Finneran, despite his conservatism on certain issues, is intolerable, as he's the representative of what's seen as an institutionally corrupt party.

Then why did they choose to attack Finneran by damning him as an agent of a great conspiracy by Entercom to destroy conservative talk radio on WRKO? No, my friend, Maloney may think that "there is no such thing as an honest politician," but that isn't why he went after Finneran. Nope, he went after Finneran because he was a Democrat and wasn't his buddy Scott A. Miller.

Curiously, he is also a big fan of Peter Blute, who was the Hack-In-Chief at that hackorama-to-end-all-hackaramas, Massport, but thinks Howie Carr is performing a public service by exposing RMV clerks who take overly long lunch breaks. I have no idea what Maloney has for a motivating political philosophy, but I do know that he's never met an inconsistency that he didn't embrace like a winning lottery ticket.

. (My sense is that if 'RKO offered the morning slot to someone like Joe Lieberman, many of these criticisms would still be made by Maloney.

And he'd oppose him because he was a Democrat because, politically, Lieberman and Finneran are close to polar opposites, except on a couple of foreign policy issues like support for Israel, which doesn't have a lot to do with Mass politics.
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I'm not sure if it's about Finneran per se,

My God, the SaveWRKO blog was invented to oppose Finneran, and the conspiracy of which he was supposed to be a part.

so much as it is about preserving talk radio in general and WRKO in particular as a firmly anti-Democrat entity.

Well, why bother? Ever look at the record of accomplishments of those local conservative talk radio hosts he wants to preserve? They've had one success by one talkmaster (who was more of a maverick than a true conservative), Jerry Williams and the roll back of the seat belt law. In hindsight, that accomplishment now looks quaintly naive. The only other talk host who has ever had a telling influence in an election is Finneran, who is credited with sinking Harshbarger with an offhand quip calling him a 'moonbat' and helping elect Celluci. And that was before he was a talk host.

In the twenty years that talk radio has been a Republican preserve, the Republican party has almost ceased to exist in Massachusetts. Republicans in the state legislature are now a hopeless, powerless, minority, and haven't had any clout whatsoever since, ironically, Finneran, with whom they had formed an alliance, left the speakership. Republican state senators are showing up on sides of milk cartons. And in the last election, with a solid wall of talk hosts beating the sh*t out of him no-stop, every day, Deval Patrick and the Democrat drove a stake into the heart of the Republicans without breaking a sweat. Could Repubs have done any worse if both talk stations had played continuous reruns of AM Coast-To-Coast? What does Republican talk radio have left to accomplish in Mass, making it illegal to be a Republican?

The Republicans in Massachusetts, the surviving ones that is, now living under bridges roasting squirrels, have a lot of problems. Tom Finneran on WRKO isn't one of them.

What the Republicans need to do is develop candidates that people will actually vote for, instead of the collection of RINOs and mediocrities they field and expect their friends in talk radio to sell to the public for them. Fulton J. Sheen couldn't have talked people into voting for Muffy, or any of the non-entities they ran for the constitutional offices. Maloney thinks the problem is the salesmen aren't universally Republican and there aren't enough of them. He is in this, as in so many other things, wrong.

Regards,
TSB
 
Hey, did you see http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/looking_for_mr_right/, a Boston Magazine article from earlier this year, in which Howie and Jay make it clear that they're not the ones to lead a movement to revive an opposition party/philosophy in Massachusetts?

I suspect that some of the commenters believe that actually reviving a two-party system in this state is a "lost cause," and that they want WRKO to exist simply as a media entity that declares, for the record, that Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Deval Patrick, and the congressional delegation AREN'T GOOD PEOPLE. The idea is to have an outlet that "speaks truth to power," because that's a more "realistic" objective than actually rebuilding the GOP in this state.

You mention the successes, and failures, of 'RKO's hosts when it comes to influencing politics in this state. Unless he's completely disconnected, Maloney has to know that Howie was ultimately unable to generate enough public outrage to have Kennedy and Kerry thrown out of office, to get a public vote on gay marriage, etc. However, it may be that, for Maloney, for Howie just to exist as an anti-Democrat force is enough of a "victory."

Should Maloney come right out and say that he's for "Republican" talk radio? I think he's made it manifestly obvious already, and the commentators have too. In fact, I think a comparison can be made between Maloney and the folks who have been writing letters for 13 years condemning Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby. The anti-Jacoby letter writers want the Globe editorial page to reflect a clearly "progressive" Democrat vision, and Jacoby's writing fundamentally "interferes" with that. Similarly, Finneran, because of party affiliation and past compliments for the likes of Patrick (i.e., telling Jon Keller last year that he didn't think Patrick was as "loony left" as Harshbarger), "interferes" with Maloney's vision for 'RKO.

Ultimately, the desire is to have 'RKO be the media entity that "fought the law," even if, at the end of the day, the "(Democrat) law won." I admit that it's not exactly effective from a political perspective--but effectiveness really isn't the point.

TSBench said:
I think it's clear that Maloney and many of the commenters on SaveWRKO want "Republican" talk radio, in the sense that they want a media outlet that's specifically anti-Democrat

Then they should come right out an say it, rather than talk about conspiracies against 'conservatives.' And, if anyone here thinks the Massachusetts Republican party is conservative, they've sniffed one tube too many of airplane glue. I think it was James McGregor Burns who observed that 'on the local level, there is no real philosophical difference between the two major parties." If that observation applies anywhere, it is here.

as a counter to the media outlets (such as the Globe)

The Globe has been the house organ of the Democrats for as long as I can remember (although, ironically, the politician they hated the most, in recent memory, was Finneran); that of the Repubs,the old Herald-Traveler broadsheet The H-T is long gone, the Globe is going down the chute, and the 'conservative' paper, the Herald tabloid, is deteriorating before our eyes into the worst POS ever to come off a printing press. If Maloney & Co. want to 'save' something, how's about starting with something that actually needs saving, the Herald. As it stands now, my wife is embarrassed when I put a Herald on top of the curbside recycling bin.

that are specifically anti-Republican.

It's not the media that is anti-Republican, it is the electorate. There is plenty of partisan opinion in the Boston 'opinion' media, and most of it IS Republican. The "all the media is arrayed against the Repubs" meme just doesn't fly. In all of Boston talk radio, there is only one certified hard-core lefty in a prominent daypart, on either major talk station, Braude. There are only two who, I think, could be definitively identified as Democrats, Finneran and Braude, and it would be difficult for them to be farther apart philosophically.

Maloney and the commenters view the Democrats as a top-to-bottom corrupt party, and thus Finneran, despite his conservatism on certain issues, is intolerable, as he's the representative of what's seen as an institutionally corrupt party.

Then why did they choose to attack Finneran by damning him as an agent of a great conspiracy by Entercom to destroy conservative talk radio on WRKO? No, my friend, Maloney may think that "there is no such thing as an honest politician," but that isn't why he went after Finneran. Nope, he went after Finneran because he was a Democrat and wasn't his buddy Scott A. Miller.

Curiously, he is also a big fan of Peter Blute, who was the Hack-In-Chief at that hackorama-to-end-all-hackaramas, Massport, but thinks Howie Carr is performing a public service by exposing RMV clerks who take overly long lunch breaks. I have no idea what Maloney has for a motivating political philosophy, but I do know that he's never met an inconsistency that he didn't embrace like a winning lottery ticket.

. (My sense is that if 'RKO offered the morning slot to someone like Joe Lieberman, many of these criticisms would still be made by Maloney.

And he'd oppose him because he was a Democrat because, politically, Lieberman and Finneran are close to polar opposites, except on a couple of foreign policy issues like support for Israel, which doesn't have a lot to do with Mass politics.
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I'm not sure if it's about Finneran per se,

My God, the SaveWRKO blog was invented to oppose Finneran, and the conspiracy of which he was supposed to be a part.

so much as it is about preserving talk radio in general and WRKO in particular as a firmly anti-Democrat entity.

Well, why bother? Ever look at the record of accomplishments of those local conservative talk radio hosts he wants to preserve? They've had one success by one talkmaster (who was more of a maverick than a true conservative), Jerry Williams and the roll back of the seat belt law. In hindsight, that accomplishment now looks quaintly naive. The only other talk host who has ever had a telling influence in an election is Finneran, who is credited with sinking Harshbarger with an offhand quip calling him a 'moonbat' and helping elect Celluci. And that was before he was a talk host.

In the twenty years that talk radio has been a Republican preserve, the Republican party has almost ceased to exist in Massachusetts. Republicans in the state legislature are now a hopeless, powerless, minority, and haven't had any clout whatsoever since, ironically, Finneran, with whom they had formed an alliance, left the speakership. Republican state senators are showing up on sides of milk cartons. And in the last election, with a solid wall of talk hosts beating the sh*t out of him no-stop, every day, Deval Patrick and the Democrat drove a stake into the heart of the Republicans without breaking a sweat. Could Repubs have done any worse if both talk stations had played continuous reruns of AM Coast-To-Coast? What does Republican talk radio have left to accomplish in Mass, making it illegal to be a Republican?

The Republicans in Massachusetts, the surviving ones that is, now living under bridges roasting squirrels, have a lot of problems. Tom Finneran on WRKO isn't one of them.

What the Republicans need to do is develop candidates that people will actually vote for, instead of the collection of RINOs and mediocrities they field and expect their friends in talk radio to sell to the public for them. Fulton J. Sheen couldn't have talked people into voting for Muffy, or any of the non-entities they ran for the constitutional offices. Maloney thinks the problem is the salesmen aren't universally Republican and there aren't enough of them. He is in this, as in so many other things, wrong.

Regards,
TSB
 
Steve N. said:
WBOS has LESS than half of its next sibling station's ratings (that would be WROR).

Odds are that 'BOS has almost half of 'ROR's 25-54s as well.

I think that 'BOS's 25-54s are so bad that GM's sales can no longer sell those pathetic numbers.

Not necessarily true. With that format, it's not strictly about numbers, it's about billing and affluence of the target audience. WBOS often bills more for GM than some of their other stations that show higher numbers.
 
Howie and Jay make it clear that they're not the ones to lead a movement to revive an opposition party/philosophy in Massachusetts?

Correct. Unless they decide to run for office, or manage campaigns, they aren't the ones to lead a revival. Talk radio is entertainment. Heck, despite his seat belt law campaign and years of being a on-air rabble rouser, the one thing, and often the only thing, that EVERYONE remembers about Jerry Williams is his annual Sex Survey.

I suspect that some of the commenters believe that actually reviving a two-party system in this state is a "lost cause," and that they want WRKO to exist simply as a media entity that declares, for the record, that Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Deval Patrick, and the congressional delegation AREN'T GOOD PEOPLE.

That's all been said, ad nauseum, for years and years, and the results speak for themselves. I wouldn't vote for Deval Patrick if you put a gun to my head, but I have no idea whether or not he's a 'good' person, and it really doesn't matter, because I think his ideas suck. Neither Kennedy nor Kerry are in any danger of being nominated for Catholic Father of the Year, but the only thing that's going to remove them from office is the grim reaper, not Howie Carr or Jay Severin.

The idea is to have an outlet that "speaks truth to power,"

Well, isn't that special. Unfortunately, 'speaking truth to power' is just another way of saying 'yeah, I can't influence events, so I'm gonna bite Godzilla on the ankle and fool myself into thinking I've accomplished something."

because that's a more "realistic" objective than actually rebuilding the GOP in this state.

Well, if you're not playing to win, does it really matter whether Tom Finneran or William F. Buckley is holding down AMD on 'RKO? Why not just publish a surrender document on SaveWRKO and close up shop?

You mention the successes, and failures, of 'RKO's hosts when it comes to influencing politics in this state.

Did I mention successes? I can't remember any. If there is one thing the political establishment in this state has learned it is that you can ignore conservative talk radio at no peril to yourself. And, in terms of politics in this state, Finneran exerts more influence in one sentence than Carr or Severin do in 6 months of programs.

The fact is that when Finneran got the gig at WRKO, replacing a complete ineffective lightweight who couldn't get arrested in this town and with numbers heading south faster than the Spirit of New Orleans, it was a great opportunity to try to form an alliance with someone who shared almost all the major conservative social values, could talk to both sides of the political spectrum, helped elect and then formed alliances with Republican govs, and actually had some political 'heft', the answer was to vilify him, a feat of breathtaking political nincompoopery. Why? Because Howie Carr didn't like him? Nice move. But all it really did was help Maloney retain his amateur standing as a political and broadcasting strategist. I'm sure the remaining serious conservative politicos are already trying to cultivate, or at the least live with, Finneran, while the clowns at SaveWRKO counter by calling Jason Wolfe 'coffee boy.'

Now, if Maloney thinks that WRKO is going to be 'destroyed' by Carr going up against Finneran, sit back and contemplate the hypothetical of Carr going up against Miller at WRKO. Not for weak stomachs, is it?

Unless he's completely disconnected,

DR, in your entire post, you are projecting your own rational thinking onto Maloney. There is no evidence in the record to support any conclusion other than that Maloney is completely disconnected.

Maloney has to know that Howie was ultimately unable to generate enough public outrage to have Kennedy and Kerry thrown out of office, to get a public vote on gay marriage, etc. However, it may be that, for Maloney, for Howie just to exist as an anti-Democrat force is enough of a "victory."


"Moral victory" is a polite synonym for 'loss.'

Should Maloney come right out and say that he's for "Republican" talk radio?

Yes, he should. Why deny it? Would it make him look any worse than espousing his ridiculous Entercom conspiracy theories? He's allowed his partisan feelings to completely corrupt common sense.

I think he's made it manifestly obvious already, and the commentators have too.

All the commentators (or, I should say, some of them) have made manifestly obvious is that they don't understand how either commercial radio or local politics works. Instead, the SaveWRKO web site has always been a forum for discussing how 'manifestly' successful radio station managers are really incompetents, and, as I mentioned in a post, "it's just a pastiche of spin, uninformed speculation, grinding axes, strawmen, red herrings, and outright half truths and falsehoods. Nothing is too counterintuitive for [Maloney] not to think it's newsworthy, just so long as it...agrees with [his] world view. [Maloney]had an opportunity to actually add something to the discourse, and [he] blew it."

Similarly, Finneran, because of party affiliation and past compliments for the likes of Patrick (i.e., telling Jon Keller last year that he didn't think Patrick was as "loony left" as Harshbarger), "interferes" with Maloney's vision for 'RKO.

Quite frankly, in the Mass political landscape, is Patrick really 'loony left' compared to Harshbarger? Usually extremists, of either stripe, lose, and Patrick beat Healy like a rented mule.

Ultimately, the desire is to have 'RKO be the media entity that "fought the law," even if, at the end of the day, the "(Democrat) law won." I admit that it's not exactly effective from a political perspective--but effectiveness really isn't the point.

Well, if the point is to be completely ineffective, he, and Boston conservative talk radio in general, has been completely effective, the usual result of preaching to the choir. As a wise man once opined, "when you're up to your ass in alligators, it's probably not the time to debate the merits of swamp reclamation."

Regards,
TSB
 
Well, isn't that special. Unfortunately, 'speaking truth to power' is just another way of saying 'yeah, I can't influence events, so I'm gonna bite Godzilla on the ankle and fool myself into thinking I've accomplished something."

It may be that "biting Godzilla on the ankle" is all that one can settle for, depending on the situation. For example, "biting Godzilla on the ankle" could summarize Limbaugh's attempts to forestall Clinton's re-election in 1996.

Did I mention successes? I can't remember any.

The Jerry Williams seat-belt fight.

The fact is that when Finneran got the gig at WRKO, replacing a complete ineffective lightweight who couldn't get arrested in this town and with numbers heading south faster than the Spirit of New Orleans...

I know Miller ultimately didn't become the "main-eventer" I wanted him to be in the Boston market. Having said that, what do you make of his analysis of his ratings contributions to 'RKO? http://iamscotto.blogspot.com/2007/06/where-have-i-been.html

...it was a great opportunity to try to form an alliance with someone who shared almost all the major conservative social values, could talk to both sides of the political spectrum, helped elect and then formed alliances with Republican govs, and actually had some political 'heft', the answer was to vilify him, a feat of breathtaking political nincompoopery. Why? Because Howie Carr didn't like him? Nice move. But all it really did was help Maloney retain his amateur standing as a political and broadcasting strategist. I'm sure the remaining serious conservative politicos are already trying to cultivate, or at the least live with, Finneran, while the clowns at SaveWRKO counter by calling Jason Wolfe 'coffee boy.'

Again, because the idea is to maintain 'RKO as a pro-Republican media entity and as a perceived counter to the Globe/Phoenix/WGBH etc. , Maloney and the commenters couldn't care less about Finneran's anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-Globe remarks. All of that is seen as irrelevant, because of his connection to what they sincerely believe to be a thoroughly corrupt party.

As for Maloney's contention that Finneran's hire was a conspiracy to destroy pro-Republican sentiment WRKO: I had a parallel theory when Finneran was first talked about as a host late last year--that the idea was to stem criticism of Patrick because Entercom didn't want to have to deal with the folks who implied (both in calls to Miller/DePetro/Carr and on the various liberal blogs) that 'RKO was a station that played to people who had a racial animus against Patrick. My sense was that Entercom, still rattled from the "Metro gorilla" debacle in 2003, did not want to deal with a possible boycott/negative mainstream press coverage generated by folks who strongly disliked the criticism Patrick had received from those hosts. That's probably why I was so against Finneran's hiring at the beginning--I thought 'RKO was attempting to genuflect to the pro-Patrick types by hiring a guy who, while socially conservative, was (at the time) fairly pro-Patrick.

So long as Finneran is casting a spotlight on some of the left's more bizarre/distasteful actions, I don't particularly mind his party affiliation. However, if one's perspective is that Finneran belongs to what the folks on FreeRepublic call the "DemonRat" party, than of course one will be perturbed by Finneran's hiring.

As for Wolfe, I agree the "Coffee Boy" stuff is not something I'd do, but someone PLEASE tell me the logic behind the apparent failure to send Carr the letter of intent to renew his contract within the proper time period. Was it, as the Clintonistas one said about Bill's improper possession of FBI files on prominent Republicans, a bureaucratic snafu?

Quite frankly, in the Mass political landscape, is Patrick really 'loony left' compared to Harshbarger? Usually extremists, of either stripe, lose, and Patrick beat Healy like a rented mule.

Actually, I think Patrick and Harshbarger are equally liberal; if I remember correctly, Harshbarger supposedly wanted Patrick to run for lieutenant governor in 1998, in hopes that a Harshbarger-Patrick ticket would be successful against Cellucci.

Well, if the point is to be completely ineffective, he, and Boston conservative talk radio in general, has been completely effective, the usual result of preaching to the choir. As a wise man once opined, "when you're up to your ass in alligators, it's probably not the time to debate the merits of swamp reclamation."

The point is just to have someone verbally sticking it to the Democrats, even if Maloney knows that mere rheotrical attacks will not stop Kerry and Kennedy and Menino and Frank and Delahunt and Olver and McGovern from constantly being re-elected. You can call it "opposition for opposition's sake," but I'm not sure I'd characterize it that way. Maloney and the commenters want WRKO to, in essence, permanently censure the Democrats in the same way that Sen. Russ Feingold wants to censure President Bush. That's all that is desired, because that's all that realistically can be achieved.
 
The Jerry Williams seat-belt fight.

Yes, you're right. I was thinking of the time frame since Carr came to prominence, but that seat belt law repeal is probably the #1 accomplishment of any talk radio host in Boston.

I know Miller ultimately didn't become the "main-eventer" I wanted him to be in the Boston market. Having said that, what do you make of his analysis of his ratings contributions to 'RKO?

No, I haven't. But I can read a rating book, and Maloney's contention that he was blown out as part of a conspiracy to undermine conservative talk in Boston is just specious.

Again, because the idea is to maintain 'RKO as a pro-Republican media entity and as a perceived counter to the Globe/Phoenix/WGBH etc. , Maloney and the commenters couldn't care less about Finneran's anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-Globe remarks. All of that is seen as irrelevant, because of his connection to what they sincerely believe to be a thoroughly corrupt party.

But they think that calling Wolfe 'coffee boy" and 'lackey', and Kahn 'Princess Julie', posting bogus leads from oblivious "inside sources" and peddling hatch jobs to journalists is contributing to this goal ? Maloney's become a one-man dis- and mis- information machine. His entire SaveWRKO blog is just a mindless, anti-intellectual, personal ad hom attack on WRKO and Entercom. He should have heeded the old adage "whom the god's would destroy, they first make angry." All he's accomplished is ruining his own credibility. Sorry, DR, but somebody's got cards they ain't showing, and it isn't Finneran, Wolfe, or Kahn.

However, if one's perspective is that Finneran belongs to what the folks on FreeRepublic call the "DemonRat" party, than of course one will be perturbed by Finneran's hiring.

Well, when I start taking stock of the opinions of Freepers, you'll be the first to know.

As for Wolfe, I agree the "Coffee Boy" stuff is not something I'd do, but someone PLEASE tell me the logic behind the apparent failure to send Carr the letter of intent to renew his contract within the proper time period.

I have no idea. But you can read a lot into the fact that Carr switched from Bob Popeo to Bret Cohen to enable his move, and you can bet it wasn't because Cohen was the first person who answered the phone when he called Mintz Levin. If WRKO had irretrievably screwed itself on his contract, why did Howie think that this wasn't going to be a slam dunk? It's the kind of question you'd think an inquiring blogger would ask, but Maloney was probably too busy thinking of derogatory nicknames for Wolfe.

Actually, I think Patrick and Harshbarger are equally liberal;

Okay. Not exactly illegal the last time I looked. In fact, it seems to be a pretty common position here in the Peoples Republic.

if I remember correctly, Harshbarger supposedly wanted Patrick to run for lieutenant governor in 1998, in hopes that a Harshbarger-Patrick ticket would be successful against Cellucci.

If he had, it wouldn't have changed Finneran's opinion of the race, since, let's face it, nobody cares about anyone except the top of the ticket. Nobody takes very seriously an office who's only constitutional duty is to take charge when the governor is horseback riding in Maine. Just for kicks, when you go to work Monday, quiz your coworkers on who the last 4 Lt Gov candidates for the Dems were. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them couldn't tell you who the current Lt Gov is.

The point is just to have someone verbally sticking it to the Democrats, even if Maloney knows that mere rheotrical attacks will not stop Kerry and Kennedy and Menino and Frank and Delahunt and Olver and McGovern from constantly being re-elected. You can call it "opposition for opposition's sake,"

And, somehow, Graham, Severin, Feinburg, Carr, Nelson, et al, aren't enough ? Is everyone so dense that if they're not reminded 24 hours a day what a collection of reprobates the Democrats are that they'll start confusing them with the Founding Fathers? Sorry, DR. Part of the problem on Boston talk radio is that almost everyone is selling the same thing, and there's no serious debate. A little variety and contention might actually be helpful.

I'm not sure I'd characterize it that way.

No, that's a good way to characterize it. Perfect, in fact.

Maloney and the commenters want WRKO to, in essence, permanently censure the Democrats in the same way that Sen. Russ Feingold wants to censure President Bush. That's all that is desired, because that's all that realistically can be achieved.

I guess I missed those postings. All I've found is a bunch of uninformed opinion posing as fact, name calling, and vacuous "me-too" isms.

DR, if you want to carry out what you say Maloney and the SaveWRKOers really want, you're going to have to do it on your own blog, because Maloney doesn't pack the intellectual horsepower, knowledge, debating skills, or philosophical grounding to do it himself.

Regards,
TSB
 
...they think that calling Wolfe 'coffee boy" and 'lackey', and Kahn 'Princess Julie', posting bogus leads from oblivious "inside sources" and peddling hatch jobs to journalists is contributing to this goal ? Maloney's become a one-man dis- and mis- information machine. His entire SaveWRKO blog is just a mindless, anti-intellectual, personal ad hom attack on WRKO and Entercom. He should have heeded the old adage "whom the god's would destroy, they first make angry." All he's accomplished is ruining his own credibility. Sorry, DR, but somebody's got cards they ain't showing, and it isn't Finneran, Wolfe, or Kahn.

I guess the name-calling is a takeoff of Howard Stern's insults towards his bosses. Of course, having never been a real fan of Stern's, I'm not "down" with it, as the kids say.

...you can read a lot into the fact that Carr switched from Bob Popeo to Bret Cohen to enable his move, and you can bet it wasn't because Cohen was the first person who answered the phone when he called Mintz Levin. If WRKO had irretrievably screwed itself on his contract, why did Howie think that this wasn't going to be a slam dunk? It's the kind of question you'd think an inquiring blogger would ask, but Maloney was probably too busy thinking of derogatory nicknames for Wolfe.

Very good point. However, couldn't Wolfe have at least put a little reminder on his Microsoft Outlook alerting himself to when he should send off the letter of intent to renew? I mean, this is just common sense!

...Nobody takes very seriously an office who's only constitutional duty is to take charge when the governor is horseback riding in Maine. Just for kicks, when you go to work Monday, quiz your coworkers on who the last 4 Lt Gov candidates for the Dems were. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them couldn't tell you who the current Lt Gov is.

Oooh, oooh, I know this! Chris Gabrieli, Warren Tolman, and uh, uh...oh, nevermind.

...somehow, Graham, Severin, Feinburg, Carr, Nelson, et al, aren't enough ? Is everyone so dense that if they're not reminded 24 hours a day what a collection of reprobates the Democrats are that they'll start confusing them with the Founding Fathers? Sorry, DR. Part of the problem on Boston talk radio is that almost everyone is selling the same thing, and there's no serious debate. A little variety and contention might actually be helpful.

Another good point, which is why I'm far less hostile to Finneran than I used to be, and my gripes with Finneran have little to do with the "Felon!" and "Tommy Taxes" stuff and more to do with some of his annoying traits, like constantly talking about Boston Latin (just as most folks on the street couldn't tell you who the last four Democrat Lieutenant Governor candidates are, most folks walking down Mass. Ave right now couldn't tell you who the hell Mike Contompasis is, or even spell his name...)

...All I've found is a bunch of uninformed opinion posing as fact, name calling, and vacuous "me-too" isms.

DR, if you want to carry out what you say Maloney and the SaveWRKOers really want, you're going to have to do it on your own blog, because Maloney doesn't pack the intellectual horsepower, knowledge, debating skills, or philosophical grounding to do it himself.


Wouldn't it be something if, ten years from now, as a result of perceived mismanagement, there was actually a SaveWTKK.com?
 
I guess the name-calling is a takeoff of Howard Stern's insults towards his bosses. Of course, having never been a real fan of Stern's, I'm not "down" with it, as the kids say.

Well, once you get out of the fifth grade, it's a sign of immaturity. Once you're an adult, its a sign of intellectual bankruptcy.

Very good point. However, couldn't Wolfe have at least put a little reminder on his Microsoft Outlook alerting himself to when he should send off the letter of intent to renew? I mean, this is just common sense!

I agree. But, on the other hand, I don't know that he didn't, or if he had, or thought he had,
a verbal agreement and didn't feel the urgency. If so, it still wasn't very bright, but maybe he thought he was dealing with someone embued with personal integrity. He won't make that mistake again. Nor will anyone else.

Interestingly, SaveWRKO's entire take on the matter is based on statements by Bret Cohen, someone who is paid (megabucks at that) to cast Carr as the aggrieved party. I guess skepticism is a lost art with axe grinding bloggers. Must be the flying sparks.

Another good point, which is why I'm far less hostile to Finneran than I used to be, and my gripes with Finneran have little to do with the "Felon!" and "Tommy Taxes" stuff and more to do with some of his annoying traits, like constantly talking about Boston Latin

I think that those kind of annoying quirks are a legit criticism of someone in the business of not being repetitious, although it is a common failing with a number of Latin School alums.
There is a similar thread here concerning WBZ newscaster Bob McMahon's inability to pronounce the call letters properly. I don't really understand what he's doing wrong, but that might be because, with my heavy 'Boston' accent, I make McMahon sound like Winston Churchill.

most folks walking down Mass. Ave right now couldn't tell you who the hell Mike Contompasis is, or even spell his name...)

Isn't he the guy who invented that little pile behind the garage where you put kitchen scraps?.

Wouldn't it be something if, ten years from now, as a result of perceived mismanagement, there was actually a SaveWTKK.com?

Perhaps they can model it after the SaveSaveWRKO blog which, in God's mercy, should be appearing soon at a computer near you.

Regards,
TSB
 
...on the other hand, I don't know that he didn't, or if he had, or thought he had,
a verbal agreement and didn't feel the urgency. If so, it still wasn't very bright, but maybe he thought he was dealing with someone embued with personal integrity. He won't make that mistake again. Nor will anyone else.


Even if he "didn't feel the urgency," why not get it in writing, just to be on the safe side? It appears that Howie realized there was an oversight on Wolfe's part, and took advantage of it. I don't think Wolfe's an idiot, but not ensuring that the paperwork was in place is really Ray Nagin-esque.

Interestingly, SaveWRKO's entire take on the matter is based on statements by Bret Cohen, someone who is paid (megabucks at that) to cast Carr as the aggrieved party. I guess skepticism is a lost art with axe grinding bloggers. Must be the flying sparks.

I wonder if this whole thing will be settled out of court before it goes to trial...
 
Even if he "didn't feel the urgency," why not get it in writing, just to be on the safe side?

I'm sure he asking himself that very question.

It appears that Howie realized there was an oversight on Wolfe's part, and took advantage of it.

I have no way of knowing what transpired, same as everyone else except those who were there, but if he had a verbal deal, which would seem to be evidenced by Wolfe's reaction, and then reneged, he's a slime ball. I'd feel the same way about Wolfe if it worked the other way. There is a scene in the movie The Magnificent Seven which sums up how I feel about personal integrity and a man's word....

Chris:You forget one thing. We took a contract.
Vin: It's sure not the kind any court would enforce.
Chris: That's just the kind you've got to keep.

Call me old fashioned, but I'm too old to change my view now.

I don't think Wolfe's an idiot, but not ensuring that the paperwork was in place is really Ray Nagin-esque.

That's a nice way of putting it. And, in hindsight, undeniably true.

I wonder if this whole thing will be settled out of court before it goes to trial...

That seems to be the way these things work out. I know a number of litigation lawyers who consider actually going to trial as failure. Seems to be what's happening in the Imus vs CBS suit. Imus will probably get his 40 mil or a little more but, most likely, less than the 120 mil he asked for. I assume this is what he expected all along.

Regards.
TSB
 
Hopefully, both parties will get this settled and move on. The whole situation is weird enough as it is.
 
I am endlessly amused by the idea that talk radio and its hosts are some kind of actual influence on elections and the like.

Forget it, they ain't.

Rush Limbaugh has excellent ratings in SF and Portland, OR--how do Republicans do in those cities and their suburbs?

The Republican Party in MA has shrunk to nearly nothing because the national party is up to its ass in the Christian Right and fundie evangelicals of the Protestant stripe don't exist in great numbers in MA. The party isn't conservative, it's batshit superstitious and insane and rational, sensible people have long abandoned it.

Similarly, the idea that Air America, with its miniscule ratings, was a factor in the Midterms is eqally nutty. Name a race in which it played any part, there's no liberal talk in Montana, Virginia or Missouri and that's where the R's lost the Senate.

Talk radio is an entertaining distraction and a minor influece at best on a few local issues, generally taxes, and nothing else.
 
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