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BuckeyeCity

No surprises, CC's WNCI, WCOL, and WTVN round up the top 3 while TED FM has dropped to DEAD LAST! NABCO might as well pull the plug on that frequency. They would probably save themselves a boat load of money. How on earth the Spanish station beats out TED is beyond me but I do think it's rather amusing.<P ID="signature">______________
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> No surprises, CC's WNCI, WCOL, and WTVN round up the top 3
> while TED FM has dropped to DEAD LAST! NABCO might as well
> pull the plug on that frequency. They would probably save
> themselves a boat load of money. How on earth the Spanish
> station beats out TED is beyond me but I do think it's
> rather amusing.
>

That's too bad for TED-FM, but the signal is very bad, hit your scan button and most of the time it goes past 103.9. Ted's a neat idea but you can't listen if you can't hear it.

Also looking like the end of the road for oldies 107.9, but I do like what they have on in the evening with Tom Kent. Seems like more energy, different songs, maybe they should change the whole station to "classic top 40" instead of the oldies image.
 
>
> Also looking like the end of the road for oldies 107.9, but
> I do like what they have on in the evening with Tom Kent.
> Seems like more energy, different songs, maybe they should
> change the whole station to "classic top 40" instead of the
> oldies image.
>

Lite up and Sunny down, once again. Coincidence?<P ID="signature">______________
Chris
202.FM</P>
 
> Lite up and Sunny down, once again. Coincidence?

Hard to tell, especially when you're looking at recent "swings" of one or two-tenths of a point. May not even be statistically significant. Even if these swings are real, I could see, say, Lite drawing from ODB...with CVO, BNS, JZA and other stations hurting Sunny.

Regardless, Sunny's losses in 2005 have been a lot bigger than Lite's gains. So Sunny clearly has problems that go beyond the competition from 93.3. The Mainstream AC format is down nationally. <P ID="signature">______________
Nu_Roo_2 formerly Nu__Roo formerly Nu_Roo</P>
 
> the signal is very bad, hit
> your scan button and most of the time it goes past 103.9.

...Which is an especially bad handicap for a station broadcasting a format that's proven to be more cume-dependent than most.<P ID="signature">______________
Nu_Roo_2 formerly Nu__Roo formerly Nu_Roo</P>
 
> > Lite up and Sunny down, once again. Coincidence?
>
> Hard to tell, especially when you're looking at recent
> "swings" of one or two-tenths of a point. May not even be
> statistically significant. Even if these swings are real, I
> could see, say, Lite drawing from ODB...with CVO, BNS, JZA
> and other stations hurting Sunny.
>
> Regardless, Sunny's losses in 2005 have been a lot bigger
> than Lite's gains. So Sunny clearly has problems that go
> beyond the competition from 93.3. The Mainstream AC format
> is down nationally.
>

Maybe the upcoming crop of 20-something females isn't really interested in the decades old Sleepy 95 format anymore. It's a shame that at least two of the big-gun sigs in town are being wasted on snoozer formats. Nabco ought to make a bid to acquire one of those signals, dump 103.9 and put Ted on a signal that rocks.
 
> No surprises, CC's WNCI, WCOL, and WTVN round up the top 3
> while TED FM has dropped to DEAD LAST! NABCO might as well
> pull the plug on that frequency. They would probably save
> themselves a boat load of money. How on earth the Spanish
> station beats out TED is beyond me but I do think it's
> rather amusing.
>


TED isnt dead last though, there is an AM station in the 1500s that does not even show up in the arbs, and they have a decent Columbus signal for an AM. <P ID="signature">______________
Lenks
Program Director/Music Director
X Music Online
The X
Today's Best Music
http://www.xmusiconline.com/</P>
 
> Also looking like the end of the road for oldies 107.9, but
> I do like what they have on in the evening with Tom Kent.
> Seems like more energy, different songs, maybe they should
> change the whole station to "classic top 40" instead of the
> oldies image.

Let me beat on this dead horse once more. It's been documented on this board and several other boards on Radio-Info that misinformed sales reps and agency reps have killed the format. These idiots hold to the theory that when a guy hits 54 years old, he's dead! Along with that, you 've got a national PD like Steve Goldstein for Saga, and others like him, that simply dont "get it" when it comes to Oldies radio. When I was at ODB, the local managers like Cary and Alan and Chuck were great! But Goldstein was bound and determined to destroy ODB. Yeah, I know the signal sucks, but we had some momentum there in 03 in spite of Goldstein and a morning show that had no experience in Oldies.
 
> TED isnt dead last though, there is an AM station in the
> 1500s that does not even show up in the arbs, and they have
> a decent Columbus signal for an AM.
>

If a tree falls in the woods....right?
<P ID="signature">______________
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You don't know me.</P>
 
> > TED isnt dead last though, there is an AM station in the
> > 1500s that does not even show up in the arbs, and they
> have
> > a decent Columbus signal for an AM.
> >
>
> If a tree falls in the woods....right?
>

Maybe "Bob and Tom" will help them a little the next time around. Or were they already on board during the entire P1 survey period?
 
> No surprises, CC's WNCI, WCOL, and WTVN round up the top 3
> while TED FM has dropped to DEAD LAST! NABCO might as well
> pull the plug on that frequency. They would probably save
> themselves a boat load of money. How on earth the Spanish
> station beats out TED is beyond me but I do think it's
> rather amusing.
>

I think it's rather sad because since Bob and Tom moved over there I have been listening to a lot of TedFM and it's SOOOOOO much better than the SoftAC-leaning version that they debuted with. I wonder if first impressions are everything for some people. I am sure some of the playlist got tweaked with the addition of Bob and Tom but I think it's great now. Head over to http://www.yes.com and check out the playlist for Ted these days. Eclectic and "fun".

Anyway, it's a shame that they are dead last because no matter how good a station is programmed (in anyone's opinion), if no one's listening NABCO can't financially justify keeping it on the air. I don't know how patient NABCO will be with Ted but they rode that "Eagle 103.9" train for a looooooong time.
 
> Maybe the upcoming crop of 20-something females isn't really
> interested in the decades old Sleepy 95 format anymore. It's
> a shame that at least two of the big-gun sigs in town are
> being wasted on snoozer formats.

Now that's a good bet, for sure. In summer 2002, at one of the world's sleepiest ACs, WRVF Toledo, we dropped all pre-80s music and added some songs from modern/hot AC...as a result, they had the best book in history up to that time. Mainstream AC is suffering from the same problem now as oldies stations started suffering five years ago. The core's getting too old to pull big 25-54 ratings. You will start seeing stations bail from the format as more and more ad agencies start ignoring them to do business with the WNCI's and WBNS's of the world.


Nabco ought to make a bid
> to acquire one of those signals, dump 103.9 and put Ted on a
> signal that rocks.
>

Chances of Clear Channel or Saga giving up either of those signals to NABCO are
zero, nada, zilch. Only a Federal gun forcing divestiture will pry those loose. More likely the other way around.
 
> > > TED isnt dead last though, there is an AM station in the
>
> > > 1500s that does not even show up in the arbs, and they
> > have
> > > a decent Columbus signal for an AM.
> > >
> >
> > If a tree falls in the woods....right?
> >
>
> Maybe "Bob and Tom" will help them a little the next time
> around. Or were they already on board during the entire P1
> survey period?
>

B&T were only on for only about one-fourth (three weeks) of the P1 period. They debuted about September 28, and P1 covers the twelve weeks ending October 20. And of course it takes some time for former B&T listeners to locate them.

Not that it means anything in terms of actual ratings potential, but looking at the Comments section of "Ted's Poll" on their hoempage, you'll see that there was an avalanche of "thank you!" comments when B&T debuted...then you started getting a lot of negative comments from people who disliked B&T and/or wanted music in the a.m...and lately the comments are much more on the anti-B&T side. Of course, there are far fewer comments recently than during the B&T debut period, and for all we know it could be a core group of B&T haters re-voting and re-posting lately.

I would really like to see Ted survive somehow, with its current music mix. I agree with many of the posters in this thread that they have the most listenable music station in town. But as I said before, a poor signal (to the point that the seek function often bypasses the station) is a big handicap for a format that has been shown to be more cume-dependent than most. Unfortunately B&T may not be enough to overcome the horrible signal hurdle, although given morning-show loyalty patterns, perhaps B&T will help get Ted past the cume-dependence issue. Hopefully enough to surive, if Nabco really can't do anything about that #$%!@$!! rimshot signal.<P ID="signature">______________
Nu_Roo_2 formerly Nu__Roo formerly Nu_Roo</P>
 
> > Maybe the upcoming crop of 20-something females isn't
> really
> > interested in the decades old Sleepy 95 format anymore.
> It's
> > a shame that at least two of the big-gun sigs in town are
> > being wasted on snoozer formats.
>
> Now that's a good bet, for sure. In summer 2002, at one of
> the world's sleepiest ACs, WRVF Toledo, we dropped all
> pre-80s music and added some songs from modern/hot AC...as a
> result, they had the best book in history up to that time.
> Mainstream AC is suffering from the same problem now as
> oldies stations started suffering five years ago. The
> core's getting too old to pull big 25-54 ratings. You will
> start seeing stations bail from the format as more and more
> ad agencies start ignoring them to do business with the
> WNCI's and WBNS's of the world.

Sure makes sense, but I don't see Sunny making any significant changes anytime soon, no matter how logical and foresighted.

BTW, tried checking to see what RVF sounds like today. D'Oh, why did I bother? All Christmas, of course! That lox is starting to sound pretty good...
>
> Nabco ought to make a bid
> > to acquire one of those signals, dump 103.9 and put Ted on
> a
> > signal that rocks.
> >
>
> Chances of Clear Channel or Saga giving up either of those
> signals to NABCO are
> zero, nada, zilch. Only a Federal gun forcing divestiture
> will pry those loose. More likely the other way around.
>
Well, maybe more likely as in "next-to-zero" chance instead of "zero chance". I just don't see the Mnichs selling, no matter what. Or the Wolfes. And certainly not Roger Vaughan (though who would WANT 101?)<P ID="signature">______________
Nu_Roo_2 formerly Nu__Roo formerly Nu_Roo</P>
 
> > Also looking like the end of the road for oldies 107.9,
> but
> > I do like what they have on in the evening with Tom Kent.
> > Seems like more energy, different songs, maybe they should
>
> > change the whole station to "classic top 40" instead of
> the
> > oldies image.
>
> Let me beat on this dead horse once more. It's been
> documented on this board and several other boards on
> Radio-Info that misinformed sales reps and agency reps have
> killed the format. These idiots hold to the theory that
> when a guy hits 54 years old, he's dead! Along with that,
> you 've got a national PD like Steve Goldstein for Saga, and
> others like him, that simply dont "get it" when it comes to
> Oldies radio. When I was at ODB, the local managers like
> Cary and Alan and Chuck were great! But Goldstein was bound
> and determined to destroy ODB. Yeah, I know the signal
> sucks, but we had some momentum there in 03 in spite of
> Goldstein and a morning show that had no experience in
> Oldies.
>
BUT...they ARE still oldies...and a lot closer to the traditional version musically than many stations that have moved to a heavily 70's & *80's* stance.<P ID="signature">______________
Nu_Roo_2 formerly Nu__Roo formerly Nu_Roo</P>
 
> zero, nada, zilch. Only a Federal gun forcing divestiture
> will pry those loose. More likely the other way around.
>

I agree, the the other way around would be better. NABCO would get a bigger bang if they traded TED for a couple million dollars worth of guns.
Not to even mention the tax benefits of a swap of assets rather than a cash exchange.


With this brilliance, why can I not get a job?
 
> Let me beat on this dead horse once more. It's been
> documented on this board and several other boards on
> Radio-Info that misinformed sales reps and agency reps have
> killed the format. These idiots hold to the theory that
> when a guy hits 54 years old, he's dead! Along with that,
> you 've got a national PD like Steve Goldstein for Saga, and
> others like him, that simply dont "get it" when it comes to
> Oldies radio. When I was at ODB, the local managers like
> Cary and Alan and Chuck were great! But Goldstein was bound
> and determined to destroy ODB. Yeah, I know the signal
> sucks, but we had some momentum there in 03 in spite of
> Goldstein and a morning show that had no experience in
> Oldies.
>

PD Bill Shannon knows what he's doing. Great track record at WXLY, WRQN, KIOA and more.
 
I'm not trying to get into a pissin' match with you, but I cant let your reply go unanswered. I dont know Bill Shannon, but those stations you reeled off aren't exactly known as being "legendary" ie, K-EARTH, WCBS, etc. Pardon my grammar, but there aint no way the guy can match wits with Cary Pall. Not many people can, including Steve Goldstein, especially when it comes to really, truly understanding and respecting the Oldies format.
 
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