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Real Oldies on HD2

> > My best deal was an HD1 radio BRAND NEW off of EBay for
> $70.
> > I also ordered two high end units with Multicasting.
> One
> > from Crutchfield the other from Cardomain.com.
> >
> Are there any home models available? I wouldn't mind taking
> a listen in the home as in the car, which seems to be the
> big push right now.
>


There is a unit right now, but priced pretty high at about $1800. When Radiosophy comes out with there unit (March or so) that will be the unit to buy! It is like a satellite unit that can be moved from the car to a "boom box" type unit to a home system. And it is only $265. It handles multicast as well.
 
Re: Food For Thought

Two things must occur for IBOC's success.

-Receivers must cost less than their portable competition.

-Programming has to exist so a listener will abandon their old fashion radio and purchase a new radio.

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Re: Food For Thought

> Two things must occur for IBOC's success.
>
> -Receivers must cost less than their portable competition.
>
> -Programming has to exist so a listener will abandon their
> old fashion radio and purchase a new radio.
>


I agree with the basis of you post, though I dont think that HD radios need to be CHEAPER than satellite. Satellite has the overhead of monthly fees. Also, how well does a satellite radio work inside of buildings. Yes I know there are repeaters in major cities that cover some buildings.
 
Re: Food For Thought

> I agree with the basis of you post, though I dont think that
> HD radios need to be CHEAPER than satellite. Satellite has
> the overhead of monthly fees.


Oh yes, IBOC radios have to be at a giveaway price. You forget radio's portable competition also includes media players, CD burners and portable players as well as satellite radio. Plus forget about the monthly fee issue, if somebody wants it enough they will pay the monthly fee.


Also, how well does a
> satellite radio work inside of buildings. Yes I know there
> are repeaters in major cities that cover some buildings.

The new Tivoli table radio receives a Sirius signal as well as its analog conterparts.



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> > If you have an HD radio you can now hear 3 Chicago FM
> Oldie
> > stations.
> >
> > 1) 104.3 WJMK HD2
> >
> > 2) 94.7 WZZN (although their HD channel has real problems)
>
> >
> > 3) 93.9 WLIT HD2 is simulcasting RealOldies 1690.
> >
> Hey! 3 more stations people can't listen to!
> HD radio...D.O.A.
>
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Re: Food For Thought

> > I will be devil's advocate for a second, and ask you to
> > rethink *how* you reply to people:
> >
> > A) You have a technical edge of the industry, and over a
> > majority of people so you have more knowledge on the
> topic.
> >
> > B) In the 60's compared to today, AM radio had competition
>
> > with FM Radio, 8 tracks, Reel To Reel, Phonographs, TV,
> etc.
> > FM was pretty much the cat's meow for fidelity which AM
> did
> > not have. Today, there are CD's, DVD's, online media
> > content, Satellite Radio, in other words, people can get
> > HIGH quality media, elsewhere, and for cheaper. Add in
> some
> > research showing younger demos *not* tuning it to
> > conventional radio, I am not saying HD Radio will fail, I
> > think you are overstating its guranteed success. It will
> > probably find its niche.
> >
> > If Satellite radio goes to commercials, HD Radio will have
>
> > an better edge. Also, the gear will have to become more
> > cheaper (in time), plentiful and feature rich. Looking at
> > the one Kenwood model, it does not even automatically
> > MultiCast from what I seen. *Why* buy for so much if it
> does
> > not even do what makes it so desirable in the 1st place?
> > Give the common (key word) user a reason (user friendly)
> to
> > really want to shell out for this, and get the ball
> rolling.
> > Add in a concerted effort on programming and HD radio is
> on
> > its way.
> >
> > Finally, 1 last thing that no one has touched on. HD Radio
>
> > has one BIG advantage. It is LOCAL. But, unfortunately a
> lot
> > of terrestrial radio are moving away from that aspect to
> > maximize profit. Hopefully this can be seen as an
> investment
> > to sustain itself and allow it to grow.
> >
> > This will grow or flounder like AM Stereo, depending on
> how
> > the industry embraces and rolls it out.
> >
> > Happy New Year to all forms of media!
> >
>
> I'm going to step in and "defend" k9ez for a moment.
>
> He and I both have a technical edge, since we both have
> installed HD for large stations owned by large companies.
> Because of this, we are privvy to a lot of inside
> information about the plans of HD rollout, marketing, and
> programming. We can see much further into the future than
> others.
>
> Large broadcast groups have invested lots of big bucks into
> the technical, programming, and marketing of HD. These are
> companies who see this as an infant technology, and have
> plans that span years into the future. Unlike AM stereo, we
> have settled on a standard, and have invested a lot more
> money into rolling it out.
>
> I have not heard anyone on this side of the HD project
> talking about making any money in the first few years. This
> is an investment in the future.
>
> And again, as it's been said over and over, the cost of the
> receivers is high now, but so is the first and second
> generation of ANY technical device. How much did CD players
> cost in their first generation? DVD players? VCR's? All of
> these things now are "throwaway" and cost next to nothing to
> own, yet were prohibitively expensive in their infancy.
> Remember how you used to have to buy a converter to hear FM
> on an AM-Only radio? Nowadays, you can't buy an AM-Only
> radio!
>
> HD Radio is a "chicken and egg" game - the only way the
> prices will come down is if someone, either the receiver
> manufacturers or the radio stations, goes first. We know
> there are very few people who have the radios now. That
> isn't what matters. What matters is that those first few
> people who get HD radios have something to listen to.
> Nothing worse than spending good money on a toy, and not
> being able to play with it! k9ez and I joke that we're the
> only ones listening to the other's HD signals. The hope
> though is that once we start promoting HD, there will be
> plenty to listen to.
>
> So that's why there are more and more stations turning on
> HD. Those who have the radios usually aren't disappointed,
> and we want to keep it that way.
>
> It does get frustrating when you spend so much time
> launching an HD signal (it ain't easy!) only to have someone
> who doesn't know much about the technology dismiss it with a
> simple "so what? It'll fail anyway!". k9ez and I are
> saying that if in a few years, HD fails to take off, we'll
> be the first ones here to talk about it.
>
> But let's not declare it dead before it's really even been
> launched!
>
> I have an HD radio, and I'll tell you...it really does sound
> great, and even better, there is more great content
> available. Those of you complaining about not having a
> Dance station in Chicago - you have one: WBBM-HD2, and it
> sounds awesome!
>
is there an 80s metal station? an 80s station? a 40s station? blues? real jazz?
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cd price in 1984

> > > > If you have an HD radio you can now hear 3 Chicago FM
> > > Oldie
> > > > stations.
> > > >
> > > > 1) 104.3 WJMK HD2
> > > >
> > > > 2) 94.7 WZZN (although their HD channel has real
> > problems)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 3) 93.9 WLIT HD2 is simulcasting RealOldies 1690.
> > > >
> > > Hey! 3 more stations people can't listen to!
> > > HD radio...D.O.A.
> > >
> >
> > I will refer you to what FM radio was back in the late
> > 60's/early 70's and look where it is now.
> >
>
> Y'know...same thing with those darned Compact Discs! No way
> I'm paying $1500 for a CD player, and $20 for a disc when
> I've got my cassettes!!
>
> Of course, CD players have gotten cheap, and so will HD
> radio. But hey, it's much more fun to take a position that
> can't be disproven in the short term.
>
> Come back in a couple of years...then you can argue your
> "D.O.A." comment.
>


actually a cd was 29.99 back in 84. the advertisements were in stereo review magazine. and there were limited releases. cd players started out at around 500.00



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1 more thing to think about. fm radio is free. everyone has an fm radio. hd radios are fairly expensive right now. and most people are not going to buy them when they already have the stations for free on the radios they already have. cd quality of the same 20 songs over and over again for 599.99..i know i want buy it :)



> I am not over enthusiastic about HD Radio. Yes it could
> fail. I am saying that HD just started. There hasnt been
> any marketing YET. Stations just hit the air with HD, and
> many markets dont have HD2 yet.
>
> When Sirius or XM came about they had to get their signals
> and programming in line before they began to sell the
> product. HD is just beginning to get the programming
> together. So to say that HD Radio is DOA is a tad
> premature.
>
> > Justin:
> > EXCELLENT analysis. I wish I had the optimism of k9ez but
> I
> > don't. I was around for the AM Stereo debacle, and some
> of
> > those radios were available for less than $50 and no one
> > cared. I remember when the Crutchfield catalogs listed as
>
> > many as 10 AM Stereo car receivers, then 6 in the next
> > catalog, 2 in the next and finally none.
> > Oh, by the way, if you're interested in a few AM Stereo
> > exciters, please let me know.
> >
> > > But HDTV does have the advantage. HD has marketing, it's
>
> > > easy to find, the government is requiring every station
> to
> >
> > > broadcast in digital, etc. It's also coming out in
> > > combination with digital cable, and serves as a really
> > > appealing product. HDTV isn't faced with strong
> > competition
> > > when comparing it to a 25" RCA TV, other than $$$.
> > >
> > > HD Radio is known to much of the public for one reason:
> at
> >
> > > the top of the hour, many stations are doing
> "Broadcasting
> >
> > > in crystal-clear HD radio, this is WXXX...", regardless
> if
> >
> > > the public knows what it is or not. HD Radio also has
> > strong
> > > competition from satellite radio, especially on product.
>
> > Is
> > > Howard Stern more enticing than a jockless marathon of
> > music
> > > that can be found on any other station? And outside of
> > > Chicago, the rest of the country is seeing little, if
> any
> > > multicasting. And on that topic, CBS' move to dismiss
> Paul
> >
> > > Perry from mornings on WJMK-HD2 shows that their
> devotion
> > to
> > > airstaffs on HD Radio is to burn off contracts from FM,
> > not
> > > exactly add new realms of talent.
> > >
> > > HD Radio is quickly losing the car radio market that it
> > > never entered; this year, HD will apparently be an
> option
> > on
> > > the BMW 7-series. That's the only car that HD is on. And
>
> > > it's not even standard on the most expensive BMW. Why
> > would
> > > customers order an option that they have no real idea
> what
> >
> > > it is? And if the car radio market is lost, where else
> > does
> > > HD go? I guess they could enter the alarm clock market,
> > once
> > > prices get low enough.
> > >
> >
>
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