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Reality check

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Re: A "Real" Reality check

> I know it. Steve calling for impeachment. Now I fully
> expect cats and dogs to sleep together, after that, MASS
> HYSTERIA! Oh wait...
>
> In all seriousness, well said. And Steve, if you'd like
> brochures about completely turning to the "DARK SIDE", see
> DESECHADO or myself for completion of the conversion
> process. All kidding aside, DAMN STRAIGHT, STEVE! CFKane
>

Hey, as I posted above, I owe you and your fearless leader an apology for sticking with the GOP for so long. This was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: A "Real" Reality check

> where is Cheney anyway? i haven't seen him. have you?

There was a Cheney sighting over at Neverland Ranch the other day... it's the last place anyone would look.

Besides, he's looking a bit peakid lately... I think he needs a bit of Jesus Juice.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Hurricane Elvis came through two years ago, shut down a
> number of public services for that week, shut down power for
> over 600,000 people that took three weeks to get totally up
> and running again and did a BUNCH of damage that took months
> to clean up. Yet we're expecting something exponentially
> bigger and more significant to be contained in THREE
> FRIGGIN' DAYS?!
>
> Quit pointing fingers.
>

Oh quit making excuses. Nobody expects things to be cleaned up for months, if not years down there. My one and only beef is that the people in charge of rescue didn't wake up - and neither did the Feds to the fact that there was a real problem in New Orleans that might actually KILL people, for about 48 hours after Katrina passed. The Marines arrived on Saturday and in no time flat restored order and got the remaining survivors out. OMG!!! Four friggin days went by where people sat in waterlogged graves waiting for food & water, not to mention a ride out of there before these people actually got some help, and we're supposed to say, 'its all their fault for not evacuating ahead of time?' NOBODY thought the levees would break. And when they did, the local authorities basically cut and run, the police turned to looting THEMSELVES, and the gangs ran the city unopposed. Then, the President, still unaware despite massive media coverage, that there was a humanitarian crisis developing in NO of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS, goes out to California Tuesday morning after the storm passed to give speeches on Iraq and his precious Prescription Drug benefit program. Oh... that was rich! He didn't even BOTHER to go IN PERSON to New Orleans until Friday. FRIDAY!!!! WTF?

And before anyone says that the Secret Service wouldn't let him because it wasn't safe, I seem to recall a couple of Thanksgivings ago, Bush made a surprise visit to the troops in the Green Zone outside of Baghdad... Now, which was more dangerous, do you think?

PRIORITIES? Not in this administration.

Remember, I've been Bush's biggest supporter and defender on this board and elsewhere so, If I'VE given up on this man, understand that we got us a serious problem out there, and yes, Bush needs to go NOW.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: A "Real" Reality check

> > where is Cheney anyway? i haven't seen him. have you?
>
> There was a Cheney sighting over at Neverland Ranch the
> other day... it's the last place anyone would look.
>
> Besides, he's looking a bit peakid lately... I think he
> needs a bit of Jesus Juice.
>
Okay. I've been reading this board for some time but finally had to register as I couldn't stand not responding to some of this idiocy. It amazes me that people in radio and particularly in 'news radio' have so little knowledge of current events. Get outside your bubble once in a while and check some sources. As for the government's (pronounced BUSH's) slow response, the declaration of a state of emergency was made BEFORE the event, setting in motion the funding for disaster recovery. The military was already in action, following the storm with a ship (the Bataan) bringing helicopters for rescue, some of which were working as early as Tuesday. Loosen up the tin-foil hats, let go of the Bush-hatred syndrome and look around for reality. By the way, I understand he won't be running again in '08.
 
Now, Paul... you and I have seen eye to eye on most issues here but I gotta disagree with you on a couple of points...
>
> Bottom line...no President, no mayor, no EMS, no Red
> Cross----NOBODY could have all the answers. It's Lord of the
> Flies down there, and it doesn't make any Fu@#in difference
> WHO was in any of these positions, it is the way it was
> always going to be.

I'll agree that nobody has ALL the answers. But, when you cut domestic support for emergency services, inspectors, search & rescue and the like so you can make war, that's wrong. It's like saying that we can't afford the 9 volt battery for your home's smoke detector - that's just plain STUPID. But that's what was done.
>
> So...instead of bitchin' about who should have done
> what-when...why don't people like us support those who ARE
> there, trying to do something instead of using an
> inappropriate forum like this to air our petty political
> differences?
>
I do support those who are there. Those who are helping save the lives they can are heroes and nobody would suggest otherwise. As for using this forum, you're probably right... but sometimes we bend the rules. This is the worst disaster America's ever suffered through and so I'm not going to ban discussion of it unless we start throwing knives at one another. Considering we've got 20,000 people here from hurricane ravaged areas, it's somewhat relevant.


> The government's response was too slow. I agree and I
> understand. The response would have been NO QUICKER if
> Hillary Clinton or Ronald Reagan were President.
> Deal with the sorrow and the pain and just hope for the
> best.

Perhaps with Hillary, you're right. But back when Ronald Reagan was still president, no freakin way! Reagan had such compassion for Americans, and people in general, that the moment the last raindrop fell, the entire resources of the Federal Government woulda been on scene within 24 hours. I definitely disagree about that. But... perhaps it was a different time and place. American priorities seem to be more self-centered today so it takes longer to ramp-up.

>
> Besides...this happened in God's world. Are we going to hear
> calls for calls for HIS impeachment, too?

Haha.... wouldn't dare. The weather would probably get very bad very quickly LOL.
>
> While we're at it, we need to impeach the people that
> designed the city of New Orleans in the first place. That
> was a pretty poor location for a heavily populated city.
>
Too late... the caskets floated out to the Gulf of Mexico - they can't appear for impeachment.

> This is called a tragedy. No one wanted it. No one expected
> it to be this bad.
> How dare anyone (including me) to say we know how it should
> have been handled by whom and when what should have been
> done.
>
Okay, so we wait until the cleanup is complete and THEN we hang someone's incompetant ass. No, nobody's to blame for a hurricane blasting the Gulf Coast. But, someone is to blame for not pulling the fire box when they saw flames until the whole house was fully engulfed.


> If you're so smart...carry your @SS down there and fix it!
> I'll buy your gas and let you take one of my vehicles!

I would go in a heartbeat and do what I could to help those people. So, get the supplies, bring some flashlights, shovels, supplies and extra gas and lets go. You know where I am, I'll gladly work my ass off to help if it'll make any difference at all. C'mon Paul, lets both go.
>
> May God Bless those in need as a result of this horrible
> tragedy, and may God also bless those who are really doing
> things to actually help.

AMEN!<P ID="signature">______________
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> Now, Paul... you and I have seen eye to eye on most issues
> here but I gotta disagree with you on a couple of points...
> >
> > Bottom line...no President, no mayor, no EMS, no Red
> > Cross----NOBODY could have all the answers. It's Lord of
> the
> > Flies down there, and it doesn't make any Fu@#in
> difference
> > WHO was in any of these positions, it is the way it was
> > always going to be.
>
> I'll agree that nobody has ALL the answers. But, when you
> cut domestic support for emergency services, inspectors,
> search & rescue and the like so you can make war, that's
> wrong. It's like saying that we can't afford the 9 volt
> battery for your home's smoke detector - that's just plain
> STUPID. But that's what was done.
> >
> > So...instead of bitchin' about who should have done
> > what-when...why don't people like us support those who ARE
>
> > there, trying to do something instead of using an
> > inappropriate forum like this to air our petty political
> > differences?
> >
> I do support those who are there. Those who are helping
> save the lives they can are heroes and nobody would suggest
> otherwise. As for using this forum, you're probably
> right... but sometimes we bend the rules. This is the worst
> disaster America's ever suffered through and so I'm not
> going to ban discussion of it unless we start throwing
> knives at one another. Considering we've got 20,000 people
> here from hurricane ravaged areas, it's somewhat relevant.
>
>
> > The government's response was too slow. I agree and I
> > understand. The response would have been NO QUICKER if
> > Hillary Clinton or Ronald Reagan were President.
> > Deal with the sorrow and the pain and just hope for the
> > best.
>
> Perhaps with Hillary, you're right. But back when Ronald
> Reagan was still president, no freakin way! Reagan had such
> compassion for Americans, and people in general, that the
> moment the last raindrop fell, the entire resources of the
> Federal Government woulda been on scene within 24 hours. I
> definitely disagree about that. But... perhaps it was a
> different time and place. American priorities seem to be
> more self-centered today so it takes longer to ramp-up.
>
> >
> > Besides...this happened in God's world. Are we going to
> hear
> > calls for calls for HIS impeachment, too?
>
> Haha.... wouldn't dare. The weather would probably get
> very bad very quickly LOL.
> >
> > While we're at it, we need to impeach the people that
> > designed the city of New Orleans in the first place. That
> > was a pretty poor location for a heavily populated city.
> >
> Too late... the caskets floated out to the Gulf of Mexico -
> they can't appear for impeachment.
>
> > This is called a tragedy. No one wanted it. No one
> expected
> > it to be this bad.
> > How dare anyone (including me) to say we know how it
> should
> > have been handled by whom and when what should have been
> > done.
> >
> Okay, so we wait until the cleanup is complete and THEN we
> hang someone's incompetant ass. No, nobody's to blame for a
> hurricane blasting the Gulf Coast. But, someone is to blame
> for not pulling the fire box when they saw flames until the
> whole house was fully engulfed.
>
>
> > If you're so smart...carry your @SS down there and fix it!
>
> > I'll buy your gas and let you take one of my vehicles!
>
> I would go in a heartbeat and do what I could to help those
> people. So, get the supplies, bring some flashlights,
> shovels, supplies and extra gas and lets go. You know where
> I am, I'll gladly work my ass off to help if it'll make any
> difference at all. C'mon Paul, lets both go.
> >
> > May God Bless those in need as a result of this horrible
> > tragedy, and may God also bless those who are really doing
>
> > things to actually help.
>
> AMEN!

Steve...My comments weren't only pointed at you-by any means. They weren't just pointed at anyone in particular. This near the actual tragedy, when officials are still trying to figure out what all has happened to whom...it is ridiculous for anyone to be pointing blame at anyone.

I can't see any level of preparedness actually accounting for all the thousands of occurances. There simply was no way to be prepared for the worst-case scenario when you cannot even imagine what that worst case scenario would be.
There is NO DOUBT that help ws too slow in getting there. There is NO DOUBT that many things have been mishandled.

Some of those funds were appropriated to "Homeland Security" Steve. Now...if there had been another 911 Towers situation, people would have been bitchin' about all the funds we'd wasted preparing for those totally improbable natural disasters. You know I'm right.
Unfortunately, there are a number of people who feel the need to gripe about anything the government does.
Just as unfortunately, those people are load and vocal, and a lot of them get their own radio shows where it becomes easier to lead even more bands of mindless maurauding sheep with bullhorns.

There's only one logical and realistic thing to do now.
Pull together...do what needs to be done...then, after the dust settles, (1 year, 10 years, 20...who knows?) it's time to try to fix all the things that went wrong so this doesn't happen again.

Ronald is/was my favorite President of all time. Never begin to think you can school me on much of anything Ronald.

There is no President and no administration in history that could have been prepared to face something like Katrina hitting the coast. Who warned it was coming?-The government did.

Most of the human loss could have been prevented by simply making evacuation mandatory (forced, if you will) several days before Katrina struck.

However, if the government would have done that...then you people would have been bitchin' about violating rights of private property and the right to decide for themselves whether they wanted to get out or not.(See how this works?)

What exactly is your definition of pulling the firebox anyway?

"Hey, ya'll, there's a Category 5 hurricane headed straight for you, get out now!" is not pulling the firebox?
If not...you need to persinally design a new firebox by God, teach the US to use it!

Steve, you've always struck me as a fairly intelligent, reasonable person. Turn off the damn talk radio and think for yourself!
-P
>
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

By
> the way, I understand he won't be running again in '08.

Scary thing is he's got 3 more years. <P ID="signature">______________
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Re: A "Real" Reality check

Now, now Desechado, that's no way to respond. Take off your tinfoil hat, and place it over your heart when responding to a post from our beloved president. We should be thankful, he took the time to register and post on this board. I hope you feel as corrected as I did, having read his post. CFKane

> Scary thing is he's got 3 more years.
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

> Now, now Desechado, that's no way to respond. Take off your
> tinfoil hat, and place it over your heart when responding to
> a post from our beloved president. We should be thankful,
> he took the time to register and post on this board. I hope
> you feel as corrected as I did, having read his post.
> CFKane
>
> > Scary thing is he's got 3 more years.
>
Awesome responses! Way to address the facts.
 
>
> Remember, I've been Bush's biggest supporter and defender on
> this board and elsewhere so, If I'VE given up on this man,
> understand that we got us a serious problem out there, and
> yes, Bush needs to go NOW.
>

So I guess we can put you down as a 'yes' for President Cheney?
 
Captain Obvious, thanks for replying...

> Oh really? I'm sorry, are we really supposed to take YOU
> seriously? Tinfoil hats, not being current with news? And
> you are? It's nice of you to call out members of this
> board, but don't expect anyone to acknowledge you. After
> all, Tin foil hats and Bush bashing is not all we do here,
> in fact, it's been quite the opposite by many of those you
> are responding to, until very recently.
>
> I love a good argument, and debate of the facts as much as
> anyone here. Why bother? Bring something to the table to
> debate, other than your previous posts, accusing US of not
> following current events. Great, you don't blame Bush, we
> get it. Congratulations! Pointing out funding was released
> before Katrina hit surely makes you the cutting edge of news
> gathering? Thanks again, Captain Obvious! CFKane
 
Re: Captain Obvious, thanks for replying...

> Oh really? I'm sorry, are we really supposed to take YOU
> seriously? Tinfoil hats, not being current with news? And
> you are? It's nice of you to call out members of this
> board, but don't expect anyone to acknowledge you. After
> all, Tin foil hats and Bush bashing is not all we do here,
> in fact, it's been quite the opposite by many of those you
> are responding to, until very recently.
>
> I love a good argument, and debate of the facts as much as
> anyone here. Why bother? Bring something to the table to
> debate, other than your previous posts, accusing US of not
> following current events. Great, you don't blame Bush, we
> get it. Congratulations! Pointing out funding was released
> before Katrina hit surely makes you the cutting edge of news
> gathering? Thanks again, Captain Obvious! CFKane
>

Well. I agree with you on one thing... "Why bother".
 
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> Post deleted by CFKane
>
p.s Sorry to have invaded your little circle-jerk.
 
Re: Captain Obvious, thanks for replying... *DELETED*

> p.s Sorry to have invaded your little circle-jerk.


"Awesome response! Way to address the facts."

Apology accepted captain... CFKane
 
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OKAY ENOUGH ALREADY

Okay... this was a nice little experiment up till now. Everybody CHILL. My bad, I allowed it.

This is about the victims, not our political beliefs and I'm guilty for pushing it a little. Sorry. Now lets re-focust on radio shall we?

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> So I guess we can put you down as a 'yes' for President
> Cheney?
>

Um, no. But your point is well taken.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Captain Obvious, thanks for replying... *DELETED*

> Whose "circle jerk" are you refering to Larry?
> Are you claiming that the business as usual (conservative
> bashing, Bush bashing, Al Franken ass-kissing, Leon Gray
> praising, Michael Moore loving BS that's often on here is
> NOT a circle jerk?
> Hell, I believe I personally know the "pivot" man in that
> circle!
> haha!
> -P
> >

Actually, DC did the circle jerk thing, ask him... I have stayed out of the merits of this one. I personally blame the mayor of NOLA for a lot of this, and have good reason to do so. Count me out of this "circle Jerk". CFkane
>
 
Uh, excuse me Mr. DC....

While you are checking the facts, add these.

While I may have been in radio for a number of decades before 'retiring', I also have been part of the Search and Rescue organization in one way or another since 1985, when I responded to a plane crash in Dallas. I went to the Pentagon, a number of other hurricanes, and a few little incidents overseas I can't really discuss here. The folks on this board know I'm as pro Bush as they come (ask CF Kane) but I'm telling you pal, FEMA (and Bush by default) blew this one as bad as they come.

The mayor of NO and the governor of Louisian blew it before the storm, and the feds blew it after the storm, plain and simple. I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd agree with anything Hillary Clinton said, but she's right...FEMA should be taken immediately out of the Homeland Security umbrella. DHS is supposed to prevent attacks. FEMA is a response agency. They did NOT respond in anything resembling a timely maner. FEMA failed its primalry mission.

On the other hand, there is no truth to the allegations that the National Guard couldn't respond because of Iraq. That's political crap and it's proven by the fact that now that FEMA and the Guard have finally gotten there, they've taken the city back and help is flowing. The problem here is simply too much red tape and political turf wars. The people on the ground know exactly what they're doing. By the way, I have three days worth of clothing and all my law enforcement gear packed and ready because I'm on standby for next week. What are YOU doing?

So before you start trashing people you know nothing about, it may make you look a lot less foolish if you keep in mind some of them might actually know a little more about things than you think.

I know a lot of folks on this board. I disagree strongly with some of them a number of issues, but all of them I know around here are pretty sharp folks.


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