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Red, White, and Boom! + WNCI

Re: EXACTLY!

> I know you're from out of town RMH. But here in Columbus
> that 175,000 watts is NO MORE powerful than any of the other
> class B's in town (92.3, 93.3, 94.7, 96.3, 97.1 and 99.7).
>
> Someone could do it though. If Radio One could get one of
> those class B's and put their "Z" or "Beat" format
> (CHR/Rythmic) on it (see WGTZ Dayton) it would eat up a hugh
> piece of WNCI's hip-hop and teeny-bop listeners. Radio One's
> WGTZ usually takes out WDKF, CC's Kiss Dayton.
>
>

I think this is apples to oranges since WGTZ is a 40,000 watt Class B and WDKF is a 3600 watt Class A. Of course WGTZ should be taking out WDKF.

However in Columbus it would be the flipped... a weaker signal would be taking on a stronger signal to unseat them. I think once you get out of the metro area signal strength doesn't mean a whole lot but I think where WNCI wins out is with building permeation. Everyone knows that no matter where you are, if you can get only one FM radio signal it's going to be WNCI. If your antenna doesn't work quite right you know you can at least get WNCI without a decent antenna. If you are buried in a basement behind 12 inches of solid concrete, more than likely you have a good chance of getting WNCI.

That's hard to compete with (again totally in my uneducated opinion.)

I will however agree that if you put a CHR/Rhythmic on a semi-decent Class B then you are going to pose a real threat to WNCI's market share. Make it into something programmed half-way decent that doesn't play mostly commercials with a sprinkling of music and you have a real contender.
 
Re: EXACTLY!

107.5 is actually only 1,900 watts.
I understand that WDKF is lower in power but CC has a way to make it come in as well as a class B. (WFJX for example) If you can cover Franklin County and into downtown, you can take a piece of the WNCI share easily.



I am pretty sure R1's 107.5 has put NCI in their place a few
> times. They are a 3kw metro signal, so they are equal in the
> city
>
> > I know you're from out of town RMH. But here in Columbus
> > that 175,000 watts is NO MORE powerful than any of the
> other
> > class B's in town (92.3, 93.3, 94.7, 96.3, 97.1 and 99.7).
>
> >
> > Someone could do it though. If Radio One could get one of
> > those class B's and put their "Z" or "Beat" format
> > (CHR/Rythmic) on it (see WGTZ Dayton) it would eat up a
> hugh
> > piece of WNCI's hip-hop and teeny-bop listeners. Radio
> One's
> > WGTZ usually takes out WDKF, CC's Kiss Dayton.
> >
> >
>
 
Re: EXACTLY!

> I guess I am in the same crowd as Incognito. Moving to
> Columbus from the Cleveland market back in 1992, I was
> surprised at how underdeveloped FM radio was here. Even TV
> was sad, ABC and Fox in mono, no dedicated Fox affiliate,
> but that's another topic. I was amazed at how many FM
> frequencies were open for the taking too. 104.3, 107.5,
> 103.9 and more. Sure, many are rimshots, but 107.5 was
> available with excellent metro coverage from DOWNTOWN.
>
> Back to WNCI. I think the reason I can't stand them is that
> they have always been "WNCI". That's their moniker and
> identity, and it's been that way through format changes. I
> understand heritage, but back in 94 when they went AC to
> compete with Sunny and removed all the "rap", the CHR
> "heritage" ended IMO. Instead of admitting they sucked and
> coming back with a new image as a top 40 again, they
> remained "WNCI". They never really went back to CHR until
> Clear Channel entered the picture. And then, still "WNCI".
> With that signal, you could put on 24/7 Mormon Tabernacle
> and still show up in the Arbitrons. And I bet it would still
> be called "WNCI".

Oh so it's ok for WMMS in Cleveland to be "The Buzzard" for 36 years with their rock/active rock/whatever flipflops over the years, and WNCI can't keep WNCI? That doesn't make sense?

>
> >
> > It's no secret, I can't stand WNCI and whether you want to
>
> > believe it or not, a lot of people can't stand WNCI. I
> just
> > happen to be more outspoken than most people. I'm sorry if
>
> > you don't like what I have to say but my opinion counts
> and
> > the truth hurts.
> >
>

Hey Incognito...it's your opinion, and it doesn't make it any more special than my opinions on the same subject! I don't care who you are, but just because you say WNCI sucks doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you!
 
Re: EXACTLY!

I never said WMMS was any better than WNCI. When did I compare the two? Just because I lived in the Cleveland marker?

> Oh so it's ok for WMMS in Cleveland to be "The Buzzard" for
> 36 years with their rock/active rock/whatever flipflops over
> the years, and WNCI can't keep WNCI? That doesn't make
> sense?
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Chris
Energy X - Modern & Alternative Rock
energyradio.fm</P>
 
Incognito: Funny Man!

> It's no secret, I can't stand WNCI and whether you want to
> believe it or not, a lot of people can't stand WNCI. I just
> happen to be more outspoken than most people. I'm sorry if
> you don't like what I have to say but my opinion counts and
> the truth hurts.

(wiping away the sarcasm that is oozing from the subject header...)

Your opinion counts towards WHAT?! To what a bunch of haters on a freakin' message board think? The truth hurts WHOM exactly? Do you think the folks at CC/Columbus -- and WNCI in particular -- really give a crap what someone posts about them behind some screen name? That's pretty funny, if you think that.

Someone below mentioned about 'NCI leaning HAC in the 90's. Ummm...so did alot of CHR's in the 90's because of the music that was dominating back then & the start of the crossing over of rap music. In fact, many markets were left without a CHR for quite a few years. CHR's could only stay "white" for so long before they'd start getting the backsides handed to them as rap music became more accepted as mainstream.

If you don't like CHR, then why do you give a crap what WNCI does? Nothing like sounding stupid by bashing a station you haven't listed to in some time.

But if you do like CHR and you think you can do better, then let see some playlists.

NOW!

Put up or shut up.
 
Re: You don't know me

I have no need to put up and I ain't gonna shut up so I guess you're outta luck you schmuck.<P ID="signature">______________
Incognito!

You don't know me.</P>
 
Re: You don't know me

> I have no need to put up and I ain't gonna shut up so I
> guess you're outta luck you schmuck.
>
Just the answer I expected...the typical 'run-n-hide' response when put in a corner. Oooh, you even added some name-calling. Just solidifies my point even more. Now go to your nearest pharmacy and refill those Bitter Pills.
 
Re: Incognito: Funny Man!

> Do you think the folks at CC/Columbus -- and
> WNCI in particular -- really give a crap what someone posts
> about them behind some screen name? That's pretty funny, if
> you think that.

What difference would it make to them whether you identify yourself or not? If they're gonna ignore you they're gonna ignore you, and revealing your identity isn't going to change that.

I've gone face-to-face or phone-to-phone with a few radio people in this town over the past few years, they all know who I am -- and what I say goes in one ear and out the other anyways! But that's okay, cause when the ratings come out, I get the last laugh. Well, not the LAST laugh -- I get to enjoy them about every three months, actually, and even monthly if you count Arbitrends. In fact, I'm looking forward to some more chuckles next Thursday.
 
Re: Incognito: Funny Man!

Leaning? I remember WNCI commercials showcasing Billy Joel in 1994. They switched to AC, plain and simple. There was nothing "Hot" about it. Totally weak. They soon realized that without the "rap music" their days as a "Top 40" would be over. Let alone the fight against Sunny 95 would have never been won.

>
> Someone below mentioned about 'NCI leaning HAC in the 90's.
> Ummm...so did alot of CHR's in the 90's because of the music
> that was dominating back then & the start of the crossing
> over of rap music. In fact, many markets were left without
> a CHR for quite a few years. CHR's could only stay "white"
> for so long before they'd start getting the backsides handed
> to them as rap music became more accepted as mainstream.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Chris
Energy X - Modern & Alternative Rock
energyradio.fm</P>
 
Re: Incognito: Funny Man!

> Leaning? I remember WNCI commercials showcasing Billy Joel
> in 1994. They switched to AC, plain and simple. There was
> nothing "Hot" about it. Totally weak. They soon realized
> that without the "rap music" their days as a "Top 40" would
> be over. Let alone the fight against Sunny 95 would have
> never been won.
>

I remeber some of their positioning statements growing up " Not To Hard... Not Too lite" ... "None of that top40 teen dance music and stuff" .. I remeber when we had HOT 105.7/107.1 they at WNCI always took slams against them...

In fact, I actually MISS Hot 105.7/107.1 That was an AWESOME station...<P ID="signature">______________
Lenks
Program Director/Music Director
X Music Online
The X
Today's Best Music
http://www.xmusiconline.com/</P>
 
Re: Incognito: Funny Man!

> (wiping away the sarcasm that is oozing from the subject
> header...)
>
> Your opinion counts towards WHAT?! To what a bunch of
> haters on a freakin' message board think? The truth hurts
> WHOM exactly? Do you think the folks at CC/Columbus -- and
> WNCI in particular -- really give a crap what someone posts
> about them behind some screen name? That's pretty funny, if
> you think that.
>
> Someone below mentioned about 'NCI leaning HAC in the 90's.
> Ummm...so did alot of CHR's in the 90's because of the music
> that was dominating back then & the start of the crossing
> over of rap music. In fact, many markets were left without
> a CHR for quite a few years. CHR's could only stay "white"
> for so long before they'd start getting the backsides handed
> to them as rap music became more accepted as mainstream.
>
> If you don't like CHR, then why do you give a crap what WNCI
> does? Nothing like sounding stupid by bashing a station you
> haven't listed to in some time.
>
> But if you do like CHR and you think you can do better, then
> let see some playlists.
>
> NOW!
>
> Put up or shut up.
>

Good to see we have some WNCI employees in the house 'representin'! That kind of love fest could have only come from someone on the payroll. I just have one question, why is a 1900 Watt Class A beating a 175,000 Watt flame thrower of a station? Ok Ok, so it's only .1 point in the last trend but should it even be THAT close? Plain and simple, WNCI is churning out a subpar product and it's not just Incognito's opinion. The opinion is reflected in the book. If WNCI didn't make it so easy to be a "hater" then we wouldn't be here "hatin".

Once again, I will bring up this analogy. If I am at a restaurant and they bring out a cold steak, I am going to be pretty pissed off. Sure I might be able to make a better steak but should I have to go back in the kitchen to prove it?
 
Re: You don't know me

> > I have no need to put up and I ain't gonna shut up so I
> > guess you're outta luck you schmuck.
> >
> Just the answer I expected...the typical 'run-n-hide'
> response when put in a corner. Oooh, you even added some
> name-calling. Just solidifies my point even more. Now go
> to your nearest pharmacy and refill those Bitter Pills.
>

Wait a minute, is this Joey Hoops? Well then you are a schmuck.

<P ID="signature">______________
Incognito!

You don't know me.</P>
 
Re: Incognito: Funny Man!

Yep, high energy and fun. Radio before the corporate greediness completely took over.

> In fact, I actually MISS Hot 105.7/107.1 That was an AWESOME
> station...
> <P ID="signature">______________
Chris
Energy X - Modern & Alternative Rock
energyradio.fm</P>
 
This is TOO Phunny!

> Good to see we have some WNCI employees in the house
> 'representin'!

Thanks for the Friday funnies you guys. I can tell you're just as 'bright' as Incog-know-nothing. Another typical response from you when someone defends a station. I'm not even a Clear Channel employee.

> That kind of love fest could have only come
> from someone on the payroll.

No...it comes from someone who knows what the hell CHR is about. Unlike you, Incognito and other's who bash WNCI. That's why you're not doing CHR.

> I just have one question, why
> is a 1900 Watt Class A beating a 175,000 Watt flame thrower
> of a station? Ok Ok, so it's only .1 point in the last
> trend but should it even be THAT close?

I dunno...ask someone who can give you answers.

> Plain and simple,
> WNCI is churning out a subpar product and it's not just
> Incognito's opinion.

And so are alot of other stations in this country. Guess what -- I don't listen to them (let alone continue to b*tch about them on the internet) and others practice that same thing. They don't listen. If WNCI had weaknesses that would prove viable for another station to take them on & give them a run for their money, ANOTHER STATION WOULD -- regardless of 'NCI's strength. Period!

> The opinion is reflected in the book.

Really? When did Arbitron start adding diary comments from respondants? That must be new -- I'll have to look at it next time for our market. You just continue to solidify the fact of how dumb some of you are. First of all, you're referring to a trend(!!!!!!!!!!!). Secondly, you're looking at 12-plus numbers. I'm sure you've been told many times 12-plus pretty much means squat. Except for bozos like you who sit on the sidelines *thinking* you know what the hell you're talking about & try to debate the failures/successes/weaknesses/strength of a station from general numbers. Numbers, I might remind you, aren't that dependable to begin with.

Just because people like you have an opinion, sure as hell doesn't mean your opinion counts. At least not to those who matter who have facts to prove they know what they're talking about. I'll be in Columbus this weekend. I'll be looking forward to listening to WNCI and other market offerings.
 
Re: This is TOO Phunny!

You are a moron, go back and read the posts better and don't waste our time with personal attacks when you have no idea who you are talking to, what their background in radio is, or their right to an opinion. Such passion for a station that you have no vested interest in... geez.

> > Good to see we have some WNCI employees in the house
> > 'representin'!
>
> Thanks for the Friday funnies you guys. I can tell you're
> just as 'bright' as Incog-know-nothing. Another typical
> response from you when someone defends a station. I'm not
> even a Clear Channel employee.
>
> > That kind of love fest could have only come
> > from someone on the payroll.
>
> No...it comes from someone who knows what the hell CHR is
> about. Unlike you, Incognito and other's who bash WNCI.
> That's why you're not doing CHR.
>
> > I just have one question, why
> > is a 1900 Watt Class A beating a 175,000 Watt flame
> thrower
> > of a station? Ok Ok, so it's only .1 point in the last
> > trend but should it even be THAT close?
>
> I dunno...ask someone who can give you answers.
>
> > Plain and simple,
> > WNCI is churning out a subpar product and it's not just
> > Incognito's opinion.
>
> And so are alot of other stations in this country. Guess
> what -- I don't listen to them (let alone continue to b*tch
> about them on the internet) and others practice that same
> thing. They don't listen. If WNCI had weaknesses that
> would prove viable for another station to take them on &
> give them a run for their money, ANOTHER STATION WOULD --
> regardless of 'NCI's strength. Period!
>
> > The opinion is reflected in the book.
>
> Really? When did Arbitron start adding diary comments from
> respondants? That must be new -- I'll have to look at it
> next time for our market. You just continue to solidify the
> fact of how dumb some of you are. First of all, you're
> referring to a trend(!!!!!!!!!!!). Secondly, you're looking
> at 12-plus numbers. I'm sure you've been told many times
> 12-plus pretty much means squat. Except for bozos like you
> who sit on the sidelines *thinking* you know what the hell
> you're talking about & try to debate the
> failures/successes/weaknesses/strength of a station from
> general numbers. Numbers, I might remind you, aren't that
> dependable to begin with.
>
> Just because people like you have an opinion, sure as hell
> doesn't mean your opinion counts. At least not to those who
> matter who have facts to prove they know what they're
> talking about. I'll be in Columbus this weekend. I'll be
> looking forward to listening to WNCI and other market
> offerings.
>
 
Re: This is TOO Phunny!

Arbitron does include comments from diaries. I have filled one out. I also know that Arbitron offers a service called PD Advantage (or something like that) wich gives the PD's access to all the comments.

Now, if only Arbitron could figure out a way to sample the market/audience things would be cool.


You are a moron, go back and read the posts better and don't
> waste our time with personal attacks when you have no idea
> who you are talking to, what their background in radio is,
> or their right to an opinion. Such passion for a station
> that you have no vested interest in... geez.
>
> > > Good to see we have some WNCI employees in the house
> > > 'representin'!
> >
> > Thanks for the Friday funnies you guys. I can tell you're
>
> > just as 'bright' as Incog-know-nothing. Another typical
> > response from you when someone defends a station. I'm not
>
> > even a Clear Channel employee.
> >
> > > That kind of love fest could have only come
> > > from someone on the payroll.
> >
> > No...it comes from someone who knows what the hell CHR is
> > about. Unlike you, Incognito and other's who bash WNCI.
> > That's why you're not doing CHR.
> >
> > > I just have one question, why
> > > is a 1900 Watt Class A beating a 175,000 Watt flame
> > thrower
> > > of a station? Ok Ok, so it's only .1 point in the last
> > > trend but should it even be THAT close?
> >
> > I dunno...ask someone who can give you answers.
> >
> > > Plain and simple,
> > > WNCI is churning out a subpar product and it's not just
> > > Incognito's opinion.
> >
> > And so are alot of other stations in this country. Guess
> > what -- I don't listen to them (let alone continue to
> b*tch
> > about them on the internet) and others practice that same
> > thing. They don't listen. If WNCI had weaknesses that
> > would prove viable for another station to take them on &
> > give them a run for their money, ANOTHER STATION WOULD --
> > regardless of 'NCI's strength. Period!
> >
> > > The opinion is reflected in the book.
> >
> > Really? When did Arbitron start adding diary comments
> from
> > respondants? That must be new -- I'll have to look at it
> > next time for our market. You just continue to solidify
> the
> > fact of how dumb some of you are. First of all, you're
> > referring to a trend(!!!!!!!!!!!). Secondly, you're
> looking
> > at 12-plus numbers. I'm sure you've been told many times
> > 12-plus pretty much means squat. Except for bozos like
> you
> > who sit on the sidelines *thinking* you know what the hell
>
> > you're talking about & try to debate the
> > failures/successes/weaknesses/strength of a station from
> > general numbers. Numbers, I might remind you, aren't that
>
> > dependable to begin with.
> >
> > Just because people like you have an opinion, sure as hell
>
> > doesn't mean your opinion counts. At least not to those
> who
> > matter who have facts to prove they know what they're
> > talking about. I'll be in Columbus this weekend. I'll be
>
> > looking forward to listening to WNCI and other market
> > offerings.
> >
>
 
Re: This is TOO Phunny!

Don't even sweat it CbusDave. This guy is as arrogant as WNCI. He doesn't like our opinions but he sure does have one hell of an opinion about himself.

Oh and I'll tell you what's "phunny"... He can go phunk himself.


> You are a moron, go back and read the posts better and don't
> waste our time with personal attacks when you have no idea
> who you are talking to, what their background in radio is,
> or their right to an opinion. Such passion for a station
> that you have no vested interest in... geez.
<P ID="signature">______________
Incognito!

You don't know me.</P>
 
Re: Incognito: Funny Man!

Absolutely! Two things most of us can agree upon is that Hot 105.7/107.1 was one of the BEST stations ever in Columbus and WNCI is one of the worst.



> Yep, high energy and fun. Radio before the corporate
> greediness completely took over.
>
> > In fact, I actually MISS Hot 105.7/107.1 That was an
> AWESOME
> > station...
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Incognito!

You don't know me.</P>
 
> > Does anybody know when Red, White, and Boom's contract
> > expires with WNCI?
> > Because I was thinking...
> > Want to start a CHR in Columbus?
> > Get the rights to Red, White, and Boom!
> >
> > If there is a way to break the partnership with WNCI, can
> > you imagine the possibilities? IMO, endless.
> >
>
> Red, White, & Boom was started by WNCI and WNCI alone.
>
> NBC4 came along as over the years just took it over.
>
> They both still have a hand in planning it now. (like Clear
> Channel moving the date a few years back because Brittany
> Spears had a concert in town, that ended up not taking
> place)
>
> Why they keep it on Friday and not Saturday is beyond me. At
> this rate next year they will have it in June.
>
I heard they won't have it on weekends because they have to pay the Columbus police department more money for the weekends. Sounds good, but not sure if it's true.
 
> > I completely understand what you're saying but what if?
> Now
> > hypothetically speaking, let's say you are a new CHR and
> you
> > can buy, wine, and dine your way into the mix. Wouldn't
> that
> > be one hell of a way to upstart your new station?
> > Now logically, I do understand chances are slim to none
> but
> > what if? What if?
> > If it could be done, NCI could be done.
> >
>
> Why does the CHR station have to be the one that does RWB
> anyways? I dont think people down there go because of WNCI,
> heck there are probally people there that never tune into
> WNCI except for that soundtrack which is very generic and
> not format specific (they do country, rock, classical and
> even oldies in that sound track)
>
> heck many years ago RadioU used to do Grove City's Sound
> Track, I doubt most people there where listeners to the
> station except for that 30 minutes the crackers where going
> off.
>
Generic is right! It's not even very patriotic anymore. I wish stations would play a little more patriotic music over the 4th. We're only talking a few days...unlike Christmas where it's 2 months. Everyone is at least a little patriotic and I would like to hear the music.
 
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