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Reflections on Radio and Records... from half a century ago

It was? I can't say I ever heard him on adult contemporary radio.

I don't think he was on the MOR station either. And that station was playing what might have been called soft AC.

Frank Sinatra was being played regularly on both Phoenix and Los Angeles MOR radio stations during 1975. (In fact, he managed to make the KHJ top 30 in the fall of 1975 with "I Believe I'm Gonna Love You," which went absolutely nowhere nationally.) But again, it was mostly a local market thing as Sinatra had homes in Los Angeles, New York, and Palm Springs and Phoenix had a large elderly white population that wanted to hear him.

The other point made by (I think) @Dick's History is a valid one, too. While Perry Como and Sammy Davis, Jr. had top 40 hits during the early 1970s, by 1975, the hits were gone for them. Top-40 radio was playing some older artists during the latter half of the 1970s but most of that airplay went to Elvis Presley, Paul Anka, and Neil Sedaka, all of whose careers were started during (Elvis) and after (Anka and Sedaka) the rock revolution of the 1950s.
 
It seemed to make sense there as the audience was generally older and whiter.

That brings to mind the big explosion in black radio that happened in the 70s. At one time black music was relegated to late nights on the big stations such as WLAC in Nashville. There were black stations around the country, but they were lower in power. Motown music was part of the AM Top 40 format of the 60s. But as that format tightened in the 70s, there was a growing audience for black radio. With the rise of FM, it was possible to have a 24/7 station that specialized in black music such as WBLS in New York.
 
That brings to mind the big explosion in black radio that happened in the 70s. At one time black music was relegated to late nights on the big stations such as WLAC in Nashville. There were black stations around the country, but they were lower in power. Motown music was part of the AM Top 40 format of the 60s. But as that format tightened in the 70s, there was a growing audience for black radio. With the rise of FM, it was possible to have a 24/7 station that specialized in black music such as WBLS in New York.

While I agree with you, I have heard an aircheck of KCAC (1010 kHz, licensed to Phoenix at the time) from 1963 showing that that outlet was trying to get an African-american audience in Phoenix. When that failed, Bill Compton (one of the figures behind the founding of KDKB) programmed the station as Phoenix's first underground rock outlet during the late 1960s.

And, while Phoenix did have a jazz station during the early 1970s (KXTC) that did play some black artists, it wasn't until that station went disco (early 1979) followed by KXAM (1440 kHz) in 1980 that Phoenix finally had (again) stations aimed at its African-american population. Unfortunately, the size of that population was so small (less than 10% of the market at that time, if I remember correctly) that even those outlets didn't last, and it wasn't until the early 1990s with the rise in rap and the noted interest of Phoenix's large Latino population in African-american music, that radio aimed at African-americans became a staple in The Vally of the Sun.
 
Keep in mind that during the 1970s, radio markets were a lot less cookie-cutter. For example, KXIV (now KSUN) in Phoenix was playing MOR and pre-rock material at least since I moved there in 1972. And, in 1975, KWAO licensed in Sun City, joined them on the FM band and KPHX (on 1480 kHz) also played pre-rock music, including big bands, for a brief while. It seemed to make sense there as the audience was generally older and whiter. In Los Angeles, on the other hand, KFI, which did play some pre-rock music during that timeframe, didn't play anything from the 1930s and 1940s and KMPC (which was transitioning to an AC) wasn't playing big band music during that period, either.
The markets where I lived were not necessarily typical.
 
That's why the internet is your friend. You can search for radio playlists from the 70s and see that WNEW-AM radio in NYC was playing everything from Count Basie and Paul Whiteman in the 30s to Rosemary Clooney and Patty Page. At the time WNEW was a popular commercial radio station in NYC. However, the audience was all over 50.

Once again, your memory is faulty. I got my information from the Billboard charts. If you search Sinatra's discography, you'll see that he got played on AC radio. Maybe not the ones you listened to, but he received enough airplay to register in the national charts. There's a big world beyond Charlotte NC.
My memory is probably not faulty, but without the ability to see what was happening in other markets, I didn't know this at the time.
 
After say 1963 most of the record buying, including of MOR artists, was done by young people. Oh listeners in their 50s and 50s might occasionally add something they found striking or important to their collections, but surveys show that only half of all adults were still buying recordings in 1966 while 82 percent of teenagers were actively engaged in that pursuit.
I reached "musical maturity" almost simultaneously with Rock Around the Clock and Buddy Holly. Anything that sounded like Big Bands or the crooners was anathema to me, and I'd switch stations if they even played a current Nat "King" Cole hit later in the 50's. And at school, I knew nobody who liked any of "my parents'" music. There was a pretty severe cut between generations.

Remember, too, that stations did not carry network shows 6 AM to Midnight. There were plenty of music shows... but the disrupting factor there lay in the restrictions of the Musician's Union (AFM) on recorded music. So the way music was presented was very restricted until the union's influence over radio collapsed as the 40's ended.
Because of that fact MOR artists still active were mostly hustled by recording companies into making youth-oriented tunes hoping the young generation still buying would accept them and acquire them. Which they did not always feel comfortable with. And doubfful that youthful buyers were going for Andy Williams or Frankie Laine or Doris Day doing White Rabbit or Born To Be Wild.
And what they did was not popular among young listeners. There were a few exceptions, but even those were driven by the adults in Top 40 audiences, not the kids.

And all along we had stations that played MOR... some included big bands and instrumentals, some just played the crooners and traditional artists. There were options for those over 35.

In the later 60's, in my home town of Cleveland, we had two R&B stations, three Top 40 ones and three MOR stations. It was not as if those folks over 30 or so did not have a place to go.
Another factor was that a recording company had to lay out a lot of money for musicians and arrangers to make the kind of full orchestral sessions MOR artists were accustomed to. Much greater savings in going with a small guitar band or a few studio instrumentalists or by purchasing masters already produced and recorded by others.
For a hit record, that is a minor part of the costs. The issue was that few young people wanted pop songs by Gogi Grant.
George Melachrino died in 1965, Hugo Winterhalter in 1973. Mantovani and Hugo Montenegro retired from recording in 1975, Percy Faith died in early '76. Andy Williams was active to about 1980.
But Beautiful Music had moved away from those "movie soundtrack" type instrumentals to Caravelli and Frank Pourcel... orchestra leaders who could also lay down the tracks for Top 40 songs.
Other artists still selling in the 70s such as Ferrante and Teicher, Paul Mauriat, Roger Williams sold as well to mostly younger buyers. The over 30s never embraced Mauriat at all or Montenegro's later style both of which which they considered "rock".
It depends on the cuts. I did a Beautiful Music that ran in a bunch of multi-million population markets and there were many Mauriat songs that they loved, but lots of Ferrante and Teicher and Roger Williams that that they hated. We never played Montenegro at all, as it sounded too "Hollywood".
So I would say quite natural that the record companies had long since set down the older generation by 1975 since they had stopped buying.
The problem was that there were few new artists that had such broad appeal or appeal only among those over 35. But we had lots of Streisand and that stream of artist that older people did enjoy. But that is not the cause for a decline in older consumer purchases of music.

That group´was the biggest beneficiary of the profusion of FM music stations in the 70's: there were suddenly adult formats, using the term "chicken rock" or "Adult Contemporary" that came in to replace lots of Beautiful Music and MOR stations. They played songs that those over 35 loved, and those people felt little need to buy anything but the exceptional album. They had more important things to spend on than records as they were adults.
There was still product that older listeners might have been interested in being made in England and Europe to the mid 1980s which for the most part American buyers did not have access to. I can remember a number of good things available on Peters International by the later 70s and Bainbridge reissued some of Bob Shad's 1960 - 63 Time Records catalogue in the early 80s. They had few takers.
But the over-35 public found, in the 70's, a profusion of music stations playing things they liked and they had not need to buy records.
The generations which had grown up with radio in the 20s and 1930s stayed with it, gravitating to Beautiful Music stations on FM in the 1970s when MOR outlets became less and less music-oriented to the point that personality hosts no longer chose their own music, leaving that up to young aides who tended to program current Top 40 hits.
By the 70's, even AC or old line stations used research to find out what their listeners liked to hear. The idea that you have that "aides" in their 20's "chose" the music for stations like WNEW or KMPC or WGN or WIND has no basis in fact.
Then a funny thing happened. In the 1980s the younger agency time buyers less and less wanted the older audience.
Agency time buyers did not determine the age targets of campaigns, then or now. I called on my first time buyers at agencies in 1964, and ever since them I would hear the same "the client's target its... " and a detail of the age, gender and other requirements of the buy. If what I was selling did not reach, efficiently that target, I was not on the buy.
That same audience who had bought them all manner of records when they were growing up (and kids records were 10 percent of the market, sometimes more, in the 1950s and into the 60s) which went far to establishing them as regular record buyers in life!
You are not taking into account the introduction of the "45" with cheap and easy to use players. That replaced the fragile 78 and the constant changing of needles and the like. Remember, we call multi-cut records "albums"" because in the era of the 79, people bought 10 songs by an artist on five 78 rpm records in a cardboard album with sleeves for each disk.
How many Beautiful Music stations gave up the ghost in the 1980s and early 90s while they still had double digit rating shares? Granted that audience was already shrinking due to attrition and the lack of an active recording industry producing new product to support it.
There was plenty of production of instrumental pop music in the 80s, but most of it was in Europe and Asia. Much of it covered songs that were not hits in America. But we solved that by doing custom music, often enough to cover over half of what we needed.
Which had ceased to exist because of lack of demand, as already mentioned, and because few younger music arrangers possessed the skills of the older writers most of whom had been trained in network radio. You may recall that from 1973 through the early 80s Beautiful Music syndicators such as Schulke and Bonneville commissioned their own music to obtain suitable new product or gathered together with notable stations, as you did with IBMA, for the same end. The more successful of this custom music was by arrangers who had been working before 1960, as younger men, with the exception of the brilliant Nick Ingman, had no or too little experience in setting pop music for orchestral forces.
You are forgetting all the new aritsts like Francois Goya and Richard Claydarman and many others who produced original material... from composers like de Senneville and Toussaint.
The obvious point I am making is that the mature audience stopped buying in quantity by the mid 60s so the recording industry eventually set them aside. Without the backing of new commercial recorded product the MOR radio formats appealing to older people dried up and radio set the older audience aside as undesirable. After the death of the Beautiful Music radio in the early 1990s
It died in the late 1980's, not the 90's. I closed my syndication firm in 1987 when I could not get new clients and some of the old ones were moving to youth formats. The real issue is that the Beautiful Music audience was aging out of sales demos, and was becoming almost all 55+.
its audience learned to do without radio for the remaining 20, 30, 40 years of their lives.
Yes, the listeners over 55 lost most formats that appealed to them because advertisers did not buy 55 and older.
 
They had more important things to spend on than records as they were adults.

That seems to be what was behind the Cornyn article you posted. He was a record label marketing guy who blamed radio for focusing on younger formats. That led to weaker sales for older genres. To him, radio was dead. But the reality was the older audiences weren't where the record label customers were. They would never buy as many records as the boomers. When the boomers reached their 40s and 50s, they too stopped buying music, and that coincided with the rise of downloading and streaming, which brings us to today. Physical sales are gone, as are brick & mortar music stores. Older audiences today still have their record or CD collections from their youth. They have the disposable income and time to see their favorite artists live. Or they subscribe to Sirius or other services to hear what they want. The record labels have changed their business model from physical product to streaming royalties, and broadcast radio isn't as big a part of their plan anymore.
 
That seems to be what was behind the Cornyn article you posted. He was a record label marketing guy who blamed radio for focusing on younger formats. That led to weaker sales for older genres. To him, radio was dead. But the reality was the older audiences weren't where the record label customers were. They would never buy as many records as the boomers. When the boomers reached their 40s and 50s, they too stopped buying music, and that coincided with the rise of downloading and streaming, which brings us to today. Physical sales are gone, as are brick & mortar music stores. Older audiences today still have their record or CD collections from their youth. They have the disposable income and time to see their favorite artists live. Or they subscribe to Sirius or other services to hear what they want. The record labels have changed their business model from physical product to streaming royalties, and broadcast radio isn't as big a part of their plan anymore.
Record labels seem to have always failed to identify and develop secondary markets.

Long ago I set out to do an almost Top 30 Hot AC in San Juan, PR. The difference is that it was going to be pure pop, and not the rhythmic version of the several Top 40 stations that existed in the market.

Those Top 40's are what we would call CHurban or Rhythmic CHR today. One was Mike Joseph's WKAQ. Another CHR was Bob Hope's WBMJ which played 85% English CHR, mostly rhymic.

Because I was not going to play the rhythmic stuff (except for big crossovers) when I called the record reps before going on the air, they did not call back. They did not bring me even their current material, so I got everything at a onestop.

The station's first book showed it to be the #1 music station in the market (Mike's station was only #1 in AM Drive which was all-news). It was amazing to see the sudden congestion of record promoter vehicles in our parking lot.

I had the same reaction 6 years later when the FM flipped to 100% salsa. No disco, no R&B in English, just salsa. The record promoters thought that the listeners would be bored and not stay with the station. The first book had a 22.5 in a 30 station market; the second had a 33.5 and the third had a 42 share and a 60% cume share.

So, whether on the mainland or Puerto Rico, the record industry has a hard time seeing beyond its preconceived notions.

My favorite is with the Emmis station in Argentina. We picked a format of 100% rock by local artists. In the week of our launch, several of us attended the Martín Fierro awards, the local equivalent of the Oscars / Emmys for film and music and radio and TV. The head of the largest record company told us, in front of a crowd in the lobby, that this would never work, and he knew because he had been doing music for 40 years. The station debuted with over a 20 share in a market of over 20 million that had over 200 full signals and neighborhood stations. At one point, it had the highest AQH of any station in the Western Hemisphere. The next year, I won the Martín Fierro award for "best radio".

This makes me wonder, in this era of change, how many opportunities record labels have missed in the last couple of decades.
 
I reached "musical maturity" almost simultaneously with Rock Around the Clock and Buddy Holly. Anything that sounded like Big Bands or the crooners was anathema to me, and I'd switch stations if they even played a current Nat "King" Cole hit later in the 50's. And at school, I knew nobody who liked any of "my parents'" music. There was a pretty severe cut between generations.

Remember, too, that stations did not carry network shows 6 AM to Midnight. There were plenty of music shows... but the disrupting factor there lay in the restrictions of the Musician's Union (AFM) on recorded music. So the way music was presented was very restricted until the union's influence over radio collapsed as the 40's ended.

And what they did was not popular among young listeners. There were a few exceptions, but even those were driven by the adults in Top 40 audiences, not the kids.

And all along we had stations that played MOR... some included big bands and instrumentals, some just played the crooners and traditional artists. There were options for those over 35.

In the later 60's, in my home town of Cleveland, we had two R&B stations, three Top 40 ones and three MOR stations. It was not as if those folks over 30 or so did not have a place to go.

For a hit record, that is a minor part of the costs. The issue was that few young people wanted pop songs by Gogi Grant.

But Beautiful Music had moved away from those "movie soundtrack" type instrumentals to Caravelli and Frank Pourcel... orchestra leaders who could also lay down the tracks for Top 40 songs.

It depends on the cuts. I did a Beautiful Music that ran in a bunch of multi-million population markets and there were many Mauriat songs that they loved, but lots of Ferrante and Teicher and Roger Williams that that they hated. We never played Montenegro at all, as it sounded too "Hollywood".

The problem was that there were few new artists that had such broad appeal or appeal only among those over 35. But we had lots of Streisand and that stream of artist that older people did enjoy. But that is not the cause for a decline in older consumer purchases of music.

That group´was the biggest beneficiary of the profusion of FM music stations in the 70's: there were suddenly adult formats, using the term "chicken rock" or "Adult Contemporary" that came in to replace lots of Beautiful Music and MOR stations. They played songs that those over 35 loved, and those people felt little need to buy anything but the exceptional album. They had more important things to spend on than records as they were adults.

But the over-35 public found, in the 70's, a profusion of music stations playing things they liked and they had not need to buy records.

By the 70's, even AC or old line stations used research to find out what their listeners liked to hear. The idea that you have that "aides" in their 20's "chose" the music for stations like WNEW or KMPC or WGN or WIND has no basis in fact.

Agency time buyers did not determine the age targets of campaigns, then or now. I called on my first time buyers at agencies in 1964, and ever since them I would hear the same "the client's target its... " and a detail of the age, gender and other requirements of the buy. If what I was selling did not reach, efficiently that target, I was not on the buy.

You are not taking into account the introduction of the "45" with cheap and easy to use players. That replaced the fragile 78 and the constant changing of needles and the like. Remember, we call multi-cut records "albums"" because in the era of the 79, people bought 10 songs by an artist on five 78 rpm records in a cardboard album with sleeves for each disk.

There was plenty of production of instrumental pop music in the 80s, but most of it was in Europe and Asia. Much of it covered songs that were not hits in America. But we solved that by doing custom music, often enough to cover over half of what we needed.

You are forgetting all the new aritsts like Francois Goya and Richard Claydarman and many others who produced original material... from composers like de Senneville and Toussaint.

It died in the late 1980's, not the 90's. I closed my syndication firm in 1987 when I could not get new clients and some of the old ones were moving to youth formats. The real issue is that the Beautiful Music audience was aging out of sales demos, and was becoming almost all 55+.

Yes, the listeners over 55 lost most formats that appealed to them because advertisers did not buy 55 and older.
Many good points. Thank you.

I would guess I am a year younger than you and I did not grow up in Cleveland but in W. MA and my parents listened to WBZ out of Boston which we got through WBZA the Springfield Westinghouse outlet. Mornings they usually listened to Bob Steele out of Hartford - WTIC. I was only allowed to have a radio in my room when I was sick. Otherwise the family radio was situated in the kitchen. Parents bought me a kids 45 player early on and I had Dennis the Menace by Rosemary Clooney on Columbia. And I remember a 78 player as well which was still in working order in my room when we moved from S. Hadley to Amherst in Winter 1953. I can remember quite clearly the switch from network programming to all music and news on WBZ in the Summer of 1956. After the switch there were more current hits on the local shows and more youth music as compared with before but I think they excluded the hardest stuff like Jerry Lee Lewis. I remember hearing a lot of Nat Cole. Kids may not have bought his records but they sang his songs. There was a lot of talk about Presley though I never much cared for his records. Though I loved All Shook Up. Loved Fats Domino across the board. The Commanders, Hugo Winterhalter, Les Baxter, and the harmony groups. Later Fabian even. Not sure whether heard Rock Around the Clock in those days. Kids I knew liked Buddy Holly but I thought he was kind of weird.

Ages 10 to 12 we would get together and pool our records and our parents' and play them. This was a little later after I was listening to Peter Tripp on WMGM and Freed on WABC both from New York. As well as Muzak being simplexed to clients over WMMW FM Meriden CT. Age 10 - 11. We played Pat Boone and Rosemary Clooney and Belafonte, Frank Chacksfield, Pourcel, Third Finger Left Hand Eileen Rodgers arranged by Conniff. One of our friends had semi-classical records which we listened to. First 45 I bought myself was Laurie London He's Got the Whole World In His Hands arranged by Geoff Love. 2nd was Don't You Just Know It by Huey Smith and the Clowns. 3rd I think was a Jack Scott record.

Can't really recall hearing Goya or Clayderman on Beautiful radio though I'm sure I probably did. I was a steady but only casual listener before 1980. I learned Ballade Pour Adeline on piano because customers requested it. I liked a lot of the more recent IBMA custom cuts on WLKW FM Carson Radio Services in the mid 80s.

Interviewing station personnel of the 1980s one thing that came up a number of times was the trouble they had selling the younger agency buyers. The older ones seemed to have no problems with Beautiful Music. I think the younger generation of buyers , who would have been our age, just never got it. Could not understand why so many people liked it. So you are telling me they were just instructed to exclude the older demos?

Occurs to me I may not have understood the Cornyn piece, perhaps because I lack the background of a radio professional. I read so much on here by people who are still excited by radio and its possibilities. When I have set it aside, except from an historical perspective, years ago.

1989 to 1991 most of the successful Beautiful stations switched to other things. Oh there were still small outlets left - many of them - for a number years after, dwindling, but the big ones were gone. I was noy listening very much during those years so it was I just turned on my radio one day and they were gone. Not knowing anything about the business then I was shocked. Though I do remember the last days of WJIB FM. I had been into the music but then I started getting into the broadcast aspects. of the format.
 
Frank Sinatra was being played regularly on both Phoenix and Los Angeles MOR radio stations during 1975. (In fact, he managed to make the KHJ top 30 in the fall of 1975 with "I Believe I'm Gonna Love You," which went absolutely nowhere nationally.) But again, it was mostly a local market thing as Sinatra had homes in Los Angeles, New York, and Palm Springs and Phoenix had a large elderly white population that wanted to hear him.

The other point made by (I think) @Dick's History is a valid one, too. While Perry Como and Sammy Davis, Jr. had top 40 hits during the early 1970s, by 1975, the hits were gone for them. Top-40 radio was playing some older artists during the latter half of the 1970s but most of that airplay went to Elvis Presley, Paul Anka, and Neil Sedaka, all of whose careers were started during (Elvis) and after (Anka and Sedaka) the rock revolution of the 1950s.
There was an audience for whatever singles Sinatra chose to put out. I can remember hearing that You and Me We Wanted It All on the radio. And the Kander and Ebb New York, New York was big nationally in I think 1980. Top Ten. Which I thought was a terrible record that distorted the song. Sinatra and Costa had style though and they knew the public and what it wanted. Which I hardly ever did!
 
I'm reading your response and I'm reminded of something that a record company promoter told a then-NPR reporter. What he said (and I'm paraphraising here) was that the record companies could see when record sales were happening because radio was playing those records a lot; in other words, in the past, it was the repetitive playing of records that pushed people to go out and purchase them. With the rise of computers and the Internet, this appears to no longer be the case, at least in terms of physical product. And this is where the recording industry is currently stuck--they still want people to purchase the physical product. Why? Because the profit margins on the physical product was (and still is) greater than what the industry gets from selling that same music over the Internet, even if you add in the cost of creating and marketing that product.

I have privately discussed in the past the idea that Napster and its ilk were founded in the early 2000s *precisely because* the price of the physical product was too high; yet if your were to ask Don Henley or Cheryl Crow (the former of whom I've once heard in an interview on this topic), they would deny that the CDs were priced too high to begin with. In fact, their argument is that the price should match what they and their record labels feel it should be to cover both costs and profits, regardless of how many people actually purchased those CDs and albums at the higher prices. and that brings me to Economics 101 (I had to take *that* both in high school and college) where the teachers/professors emphasized that in a marketplace with many sellers and many buyers, covering costs is less important, at least in the short term, than what the market will actually bear.

Getting back to Cornin's point (at least what I could read of it outside of the graphic), another mistake that all involved made was assuming that older people would behave the same no matter which generation they born in. As poster Dick's History pointed out, the older adults in 1975 had not grown up on records and therefore weren't really willing to purchase what they didn't purchase as kids. By the 1980s and 1990s, however, newer generations raised on records had become older adults and many of those people continued to purchase their favorite artists, first on albums then on CDs. Of course (as I have noted above), with the radical reshaping of the ground by the availability of music on the Internet in the early 2000s, it is likely that folks in their 20s now will not be purchasing physical product when they become older as they will prefer to hear it over the Internet for either nothing (with commercials, such as on youtube.com) or for an annual fee.
We get into habits we become comfortable with. People my age would put on and LP or CD and let it play. Oh perhaps 15 years ago I figured out how to download fave recordings going back to the 1920s and I had a nice personal playlist going for a while. But got to be too much trouble to maintain it, we got a new computer and somehow it would not support that file so it was gone. And just have never tried it again. And that was it for us.
 
That brings to mind the big explosion in black radio that happened in the 70s. At one time black music was relegated to late nights on the big stations such as WLAC in Nashville. There were black stations around the country, but they were lower in power. Motown music was part of the AM Top 40 format of the 60s. But as that format tightened in the 70s, there was a growing audience for black radio. With the rise of FM, it was possible to have a 24/7 station that specialized in black music such as WBLS in New York.
I used to listen to them when they were WLIB. Billy Taylor and Frankie Crocker and people like that. A lot of tasty stuff and not all top 40. They used to have Another Shade of Black where they would regularly air Blues, Gospel, African, Jazz, Latin etc. recordings as well.

Regarding race I would observe that the general run of white radio listeners in the 40s and 50s loved an occasional R & B recording by Roy Milton, Louis Jordan, Dinah Washington and others which for many people were like novelties. But as soon as they started proliferating as they did in 1956 with Elvis Presley and all they they began to feel uncomfortable and radio began to split into adult stations and generalist stations which increasingly became of necessity youth-oriented stations. Top 40. Actually they most always been youth oriented from after the war but until the rock and R & B proliferated nobody complained.
 
Interviewing station personnel of the 1980s one thing that came up a number of times was the trouble they had selling the younger agency buyers. The older ones seemed to have no problems with Beautiful Music. I think the younger generation of buyers , who would have been our age, just never got it. Could not understand why so many people liked it. So you are telling me they were just instructed to exclude the older demos?

Some of this thinking is what led to the rise of public broadcasting in the 1970s, with the advent of NPR in 1971. Why listen to radio that was dependent on advertisers when there was listener-supported radio? Bypass the advertising gatekeepers who didn't like older music. By the 1980s, the specialized music formats that appealed to older audiences, such as jazz, folk, and classical, moved to non-commercial radio. Problem solved.
 
Some of this thinking is what led to the rise of public broadcasting in the 1970s, with the advent of NPR in 1971. Why listen to radio that was dependent on advertisers when there was listener-supported radio? Bypass the advertising gatekeepers who didn't like older music. By the 1980s, the specialized music formats that appealed to older audiences, such as jazz, folk, and classical, moved to non-commercial radio. Problem solved.
Well the money has to come from somewhere and you will recall with CPB and NPR there was a certain level of corporate involvement. But in the late 60s and even early 70s many people really believed that Classical Music was good for us morally as well as culturally. Our parents brought us up to listen to Classical because at least that way we would meet the right people etc. etc. Nobody believes that any more. Beautiful Music would have been considered too commercial back then for sponsorship. Though really it is just as much of an art as Classical and really it is a form of Light classical music. There have been listener-sponsored Beautiful outlets but not many. And at WLPR FM Mobile Panayiutou called for contributions in the Fall of 1983 and was able to stay on for another year and a half from such contributions.
 
Andy Williams was active to about 1980.
There is an Andy Williams LP from 1986 called "Close Enough For Love". After that came a couple of Christmas albums and one called "Nashville" from 1991. After a long drought after the second Christmas album from 1995, the year 2007 saw the release of "I Don't Remember Ever Growing Up". This last album featured the new title track, and songs that he really liked and wanted to record, which included The Eagles "Desperado", Neil Sedaka's "Breaking Up Is Hard To Do", "Every Breath You Take" (The Police), Chris De Burgh's "Lady In Red", and of course, more.
 
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Andy Williams was active to about 1980.
There is an Andy Williams LP from 1986 called "Close Enough For Love". After that came a couple of Christmas albums and one called "Nashville" from 1991. After a long drought after the second Christmas album from 1995, the year 2007 saw the release of "I Don't Remember Ever Growing Up". This last album featured the new title track, and songs that he really liked and wanted to record, which included The Eagles "Desperado", Neil Sedaka's "Breaking Up Is Hard To Do", "Every Breath You Take" (The Police), Chris De Burgh's "Lady In Red", and of course, more.
I knew there was a live LP that came out after 1980. Those others I thought were issues of older tracks. If not then my mistake!
 
Frank Sinatra was being played regularly on both Phoenix and Los Angeles MOR radio stations during 1975.
I was remembering the stations in Charlotte. I forgot about when I was living near the Virginia line. I don't remember which station or what its format was, but one station played "High Hopes" with the kids. That would have been 1973 or earlier.
 
It died in the late 1980's, not the 90's. I closed my syndication firm in 1987 when I could not get new clients and some of the old ones were moving to youth formats. The real issue is that the Beautiful Music audience was aging out of sales demos, and was becoming almost all 55+.
Myrtle Beach SC was an exception. There were a lot of vocals but the beautiful music station kept going until new owners decided the station that was soft AC (by today's definition) needed a better frequency. The letters of the beautiful music station were put on a small AM along with satellite standards (though it was still sports at night). No one listened to the AM but lots of people complained.

Around that time one station switched from active rock to a satellite easy listening format which later became known as Unforgettable Favorites (somewhere between standards and soft AC, a lot like ABM now). One of the complainers liked that. The signal wasn't great. An AM had America's Best Music and got lots of complaints after storm damage put it off the air.

But a Hot AC that had alienated its audience and lost them to that soft AC did something few would have predicted. Beautiful music, with mostly instrumentals ... number one in the market! In 2001! The vocals increased until the station was nearly all vocal and adult standards by 2007.

The two competitors ended up doing something else after a few years. The sports AM, I think, returned to sports.
 
There is one commercial outlet that I know of that still plays beautiful music: KAHM-FM (102.1 mHz) licensed to Prescott, AZ. It has an OK from the FCC to put its transmitter near Crown King and change its city of license, but, as far as I know, none of that has happened. However, I can hear it over the air at my north central Phoenix location and the station has resumed its free on-line streaming.

And, while there aren't any commercial fulltime operations playing pre-R&R big band and oldies 24/7, I do know of one non-commercial one. WYAR-FM (88.3 mHz) licensed to Yarmouth, ME (it's in the Portland market), has been playing nothing but pre R&R music since it came on the air in, I believe, the early 2000s. After the death of the station's founder a few years back (per my memory), the station began streaming its all pre-R&R material on the Internet.
 
WHLC-FM in Highlands NC, which I assume has a lot of retired people, has a sort of beautiful music format, a lot like what the format was like in its final years. Maybe half the songs are instrumental.

There are a couple of low-power stations but I can't recall if they are commercial.
 


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