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Rescue From Gilligan's Island (1978)

My local Christian stations, like many others, sometimes pad out their otherwise 24/7 religious schedule with “family friendly” old movies and TV show episodes. Usually, these come from the vast inventory of public domain issues, the same stuff you find in the $1 DVD bin at your local bargain store.

The other day, I noted WTGL on one of their subchannels (45.3) was running the 1978 TV-movie “Rescue From Gilligan’s Island.” Sure looked like a typical, rather murky PD print, but I couldn’t imagine that something that relatively recent had fallen into the public domain.

Well, I did a little googling, and several sources do claim that this movie is in the public domain. And, in fact, it has for quite some time turned up on those bargain basement DVDs. But I think this may be mistaken. In fact, it almost definitely isn’t kosher.

The movie was shot right on the cusp of one of several major changes to copyright law. Prior to 1978, a copyright on a movie ran a maximum of 56 years: an initial 28, then optionally renewed for another 28. Starting in 1978, this was expanded to 70 years. (Mainly because the earliest Disney cartoons were starting to get perilously close to falling into the public domain, and we know what kind of clout Disney carries!)

Also, prior to 1978, you had to officially and properly register the work for copyright protection. Starting in 1978, a work was considered to be de facto copyrighted at the moment of creation, even if not registered. (Not registering would certainly make infringement harder to prove, but it would still be a valid legal complaint.)

In 1992, Congress eliminated the need to renew registrations after 28 years, but those works that had already fallen into the public domain for non-renewal were not retroactively re-copyrighted.

The thing is, by every aspect of the law, there is no way “Rescue From Gilligan’s Island” could be public domain so soon. Even if it was never registered, or improperly registered, the changes that took place in 1978 would still have allowed the creators to claim copyright. And even if the 1992 act had not eliminated the 28-year renewal requirement, the movie would have not hit that milestone until 2006, and allegedly PD copies were circulating well before that. No matter how you slice it, the film simply cannot be public domain. There must be some irregularities involved that make folks believe it to be PD, though – anyone ever heard anything in reference to this?

As for the movie itself, watching it for the first time in 31 years was an interesting experience. I saw it when originally broadcast in 1978, and at the time, TV geeks like me were just excited to see 6/7 of the original cast reunited – it was a fun lark. Gilligan’s Island was one of those 60’s shows that were silly, contrived and overacted, yet still possessed a quirky, campy charm to those of us who were juveniles during its original run.

But now, viewing the movie with much more detachment – wow, is it bad. The actors seemed to phone it in, slogging through their lines, if it can be believed, even more broadly and obviously than in the original series, almost becoming caricatures of their characters (which were pretty much stereotypical caricatures to begin with!). It also didn’t help that it was done without a laugh track – while I generally disdain laugh tracks, the artificial enhancement was integral to and expected from the original show, and Gilligan’s dumb lines or the Skipper beaning him over the head with his cap for the nth time just fall flat without canned laughter. (It's kind of like when you see The Three Stooges in one of their live TV appearances, and the pokes, bonks, and slaps are devoid of their expected sound effects.) <g>

And imagine – this is the BEST of the three reunion movies! “The Castaways on Gilligan’s Island” elevated the plot holes and contrivances of the concept to a degree even the original series would have found ridiculous. (C’mon, they were on the island for 15 years...and now that they're marooned there anew, they JUST NOW discover a couple of old airplanes...because the island was an Army Air Corps base in World War II? How big is this frakkin’ island, anyway? And in spite of that history, the island was “uncharted?”)

And I’ve NEVER even ATTEMPTED to view “The Harlem Globetrotters on Gilligan’s Island.” The title alone screams, “Run! STAY AWAY!!” <LOL>
 
Even though Rescue From Gilligan's Island was aired on NBC in 1978, I believe the movie was actually shot in 1977. I'm sure the script was done in 1977 if not sooner which I would imagine this would be the "point of creation" of this project. Could that be a reason why this movie is in public domain? Of course that is, IF it's in public domain.
 
mleach said:
Even though Rescue From Gilligan's Island was aired on NBC in 1978, I believe the movie was actually shot in 1977. I'm sure the script was done in 1977 if not sooner which I would imagine this would be the "point of creation" of this project. Could that be a reason why this movie is in public domain?

Maybe, but given as it was broadcast/released in October of '78, it probably wasn't finished too long before that. (Unless NBC sat on it for over 10 months, which seems unlikely.) Generally, I believe the copyright date would be when the production was finalized in its released form, not necessarily when the raw material was shot. IF the actual intended copyright was 1977, but was never (or improperly) registered, then there MAY be a case to be made for it being PD.
 
Wasn't there other Gilligan movies planned after the one withthe Globetrotters? For some reason I seem to recall hearing an interview with creator Sherwood Schwartz about "Murder On Gilligan's Island" but I don't remember if this was just something that popped up in Sherwood's head or if there really was a script for this. For the record the three Gilligans Movies..on par with Schwartz LOL..there were THREE Brady Bunch movies. The Brady Bunch Movie and A Very Brady Sequel everyone knows about BUT that third Brady movie.."The Brady Bunch in the White House"..where Mike Brady becomes president with Carol as first lady AND vice president...well........let's just say that film makes the worst of the Gilligan movies almost on the same par as Gone With the Wind LOL.
 
From what I've read, it was common practice in the seventies to not bother with registering a copyright on TV movies. They were generally cheap to produce and had little residual value -- they would run twice on network television, and then be sold (cheaply) as part of larger packages of syndicated films to local stations. At the time, syndicated movie packages were generally pretty large, and would mix desirable titles with "filler" movies -- and guess which category the TV movies fell in?

While I'm far from an expert on copyright law, I suspect that the clause allowing "retroactive" copyright claims required some effort on the part of the production company, and they either saw no reason to bother or just screwed up and forgot to do it. And really, it isn't like they lost a lot of money as a result -- if stations actually had to pay money to air this "Rescue from Gilligan's Island", it would probably just completely vanish...which means that the revenue value of this film is basically zero.
 
mleach said:
Wasn't there other Gilligan movies planned after the one withthe Globetrotters? For some reason I seem to recall hearing an interview with creator Sherwood Schwartz about "Murder On Gilligan's Island" but I don't remember if this was just something that popped up in Sherwood's head or if there really was a script for this.

Probably just an idea in Schwartz' head that never came to fruition.

The interesting thing about the second movie ("The Castaways on Gilligan's Island") is that the second half was intended as a backdoor pilot for a proposed new weekly series in the mold of Fantasy Island or The Love Boat. The premise had Mr. Howell developing a resort on the island, and making the other castaways financial partners. They would have served as hosts and senior staff for the resort, with guest stars appearing every week to have adventures. (In the TV-movie, Tom Bosley and Marcia Wallace were the guest stars.) Nothing ever came of it, of course.
 
TexasTom said:
From what I've read, it was common practice in the seventies to not bother with registering a copyright on TV movies. They were generally cheap to produce and had little residual value -- they would run twice on network television, and then be sold (cheaply) as part of larger packages of syndicated films to local stations. At the time, syndicated movie packages were generally pretty large, and would mix desirable titles with "filler" movies -- and guess which category the TV movies fell in?

If that were the case, there would be a lot more 70's TV-movies showing up on bargain DVDs and budget-challenged TV stations. "Rescue From Gilligan's Island" appears to be almost unique for its era -- I checked several lists of PD movies and shows, and while none of them agree totally with the others, there is almost a complete lack of anything else more recent than the early 60's.

TexasTom said:
While I'm far from an expert on copyright law, I suspect that the clause allowing "retroactive" copyright claims required some effort on the part of the production company, and they either saw no reason to bother or just screwed up and forgot to do it. And really, it isn't like they lost a lot of money as a result -- if stations actually had to pay money to air this "Rescue from Gilligan's Island", it would probably just completely vanish...which means that the revenue value of this film is basically zero.

My suspicions are in line with yours -- probably some irregularity that murked up the copyright status, but the cost and time to defend it (versus the perceived commercial value of the movie) is not worth the effort to whomever is the rights holder (whether Sherwood Schwartz, NBC, or someone else). This, if true, would also be rather unique, as there is a long legacy of rights holders vigorously defending the copyright of material that they have no intention of ever releasing again. This has accelerated in the Internet era with the help of the DMCA. There are takedown notices and complaints issued to YouTube every day for stuff that has almost zero commercial potential, and is of interest to a very limited audience. I've always felt that there is a "sour grapes" attitude behind this; it's like a little kid who has a toy that he never plays with, but won't share it with others because "it's MINE and you can't have it -- nyaa, nyaa, nyaa!"
 
mleach said:
For the record the three Gilligans Movies..on par with Schwartz LOL..there were THREE Brady Bunch movies. The Brady Bunch Movie and A Very Brady Sequel everyone knows about BUT that third Brady movie.."The Brady Bunch in the White House"..where Mike Brady becomes president with Carol as first lady AND vice president...well........let's just say that film makes the worst of the Gilligan movies almost on the same par as Gone With the Wind LOL.

Considering that Schwartz was behind both shows, I'm amazed (but ever so grateful) that we never saw "The Brady Bunch on Gilligan's Island." (AAAAUUUGH!!!)
 
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Considering that Schwartz was behind both shows, I'm amazed (but ever so grateful) that we never saw "The Brady Bunch on Gilligan's Island." (AAAAUUUGH!!!)

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I don't know...I would have liked Alice's coconut pie recipe.
 
I remember seeing it when it first ran in 1978. I suspect that the copyright holders were too embarrassed to come
forward and renew their claim.
 
Maybe that TV station actually *gasp* paid for the rights to broadcast the movie! I'm sure it couldn't have cost much.

I'm with most of the rest of you. I believe that the value of a copyright on this movie would be virtually worthless.

Does this mean we'll also be seeing High School USA on TV soon?
 
The idea that Schwartz produced and/or wrote both Gilligan and Brady is surprising, since Gilligan was actually funny, and Brady was actually schmaltzy. (I guess different requirements for the job!)

Quick story: My middle-aged brother and I actually found ourselves watching one of the Gilligan reunion movies a number of years ago. During a commercial break, almost in unison, we both said out load, "why are we watching this?" The shared comment spoke volumes.
 
searadiofreak said:
The idea that Schwartz produced and/or wrote both Gilligan and Brady is surprising, since Gilligan was actually funny, and Brady was actually schmaltzy. (I guess different requirements for the job!)

From what I read, that was a cause of tension between Robert Reed and Sherwood Schwartz. Schwartz wanted to do another Gilligan; Reed wanted something more serious.

Both lost?
 
dhett said:
searadiofreak said:
The idea that Schwartz produced and/or wrote both Gilligan and Brady is surprising, since Gilligan was actually funny, and Brady was actually schmaltzy. (I guess different requirements for the job!)

From what I read, that was a cause of tension between Robert Reed and Sherwood Schwartz. Schwartz wanted to do another Gilligan; Reed wanted something more serious.

Both lost?

I think they both lost LOL

However even if Robert Reed & Sherwood Schwartz were the best of friends and agreed on the scripts, The Brady Bunch had another major problem..while the kids themselves got along with each other...their parents did not and since the kids ( except for Barry Williams ) were minors, well that is not a good thing.

Meanwhile with Gilligan's Island, it was all about the money. What exactly did the cast do after Gilligan had ended in 1967 until "Rescue form Gilligan's Island"? Bob Denver did a few sitcoms but none of those lasted very long and Alan Hale did that horrible 1975 horror flick about that giant man-eating spider but the others, other than bit parts and cameos on other shows for the most part nothing that stood out. I am sure it was a case of they needed the money.

Oh Hulu has the Alan Hale movie "Giant Spider Invasion"

http://www.hulu.com/giant-spider-invasion

It has to be seen to be believed !!
 
Didn't NBC originally air "Rescue..." as two hour-long parts on consecutive Saturday nights?

Though I saw its promo, I didn't see part 1 (I was at a party at a HS classmate's house). The next day, however, some friends of mine and I attended an NFL game, and in postgame traffic, we got to discussing the previous night's first part of "Rescue..." where the sorry seven (Tina Louise boycotted "Rescue..." so another actress whose name escapes me became Ginger for the reunion) were rescued and given a parade like a championship sports team. One of the fellows I was with actually said that the castaways would have lots of trouble adjusting to civilization anew. Fast forward to the next Saturday night, when I watched part 2, and the same seven have a reunion cruise on the Minnow II, get tossed about in a storm, are wrecked on an island, and lo and behold, it's the same island, as confirmed by Gilligan's discovery of the original Minnow's name board. What goes around truly comes around. :)

I have very vague memories of the series being on CBS but lively memories of syndie reruns in the '70s (in Philly, on WKBS-48 til 1976 when the package moved to WTAF-29). Classic campy slapstick. Why a laugh track was never used on "Rescue..." is beyond me.

I saw promos for "Castaways..." and the TV flick with the Globies but never watched those specials.

ixnay
 
ixnay said:
Didn't NBC originally air "Rescue..." as two hour-long parts on consecutive Saturday nights?

Though I saw its promo, I didn't see part 1 (I was at a party at a HS classmate's house). The next day, however, some friends of mine and I attended an NFL game, and in postgame traffic, we got to discussing the previous night's first part of "Rescue..." where the sorry seven (Tina Louise boycotted "Rescue..." so another actress whose name escapes me became Ginger for the reunion) were rescued and given a parade like a championship sports team. One of the fellows I was with actually said that the castaways would have lots of trouble adjusting to civilization anew. Fast forward to the next Saturday night, when I watched part 2, and the same seven have a reunion cruise on the Minnow II, get tossed about in a storm, are wrecked on an island, and lo and behold, it's the same island, as confirmed by Gilligan's discovery of the original Minnow's name board. What goes around truly comes around. :)

I have very vague memories of the series being on CBS but lively memories of syndie reruns in the '70s (in Philly, on WKBS-48 til 1976 when the package moved to WTAF-29). Classic campy slapstick. Why a laugh track was never used on "Rescue..." is beyond me.

I saw promos for "Castaways..." and the TV flick with the Globies but never watched those specials.

ixnay

I grew up on 'Gilligan's Island' reruns in the early '80s, as well as the 'Gilligan's Planet' cartoon. Took me a few years to catch all three movies(the Globetrotters one seemed to be rerun a lot back then, 'Rescue' less often, 'Castaways' rarely.)
One thing stands out from 'Rescue': When Gilligan shows the origina Minnow's name board, it reads 'Minnow I'. Was the Skipper clairvoyant? how'd he know 15 years earlier that there'd be a second 'Minnow'?;-)

I saw rumors of a 'post-apocalyptic' Gilligan reunion in the '80s, where Bob Denver supposedly wanted the castaways to either be the only survivors of a nuclear holocaust...or to just think they were. It was supposedly going to involve the castaways' children...yes, children...carrying on after the regulars had died.
Can't IMAGINE why it was never made!
 
onairb said:
One thing stands out from 'Rescue': When Gilligan shows the origina Minnow's name board, it reads 'Minnow I'. Was the Skipper clairvoyant? how'd he know 15 years earlier that there'd be a second 'Minnow'?
Often wondered that myself, since there was never a reference to a "Minnow I" on the original series. Only the "S.S. Minnow." Either the writers weren't too savvy on that one (or didn't do their research, or thought that only kids who wouldn't know the difference would be watching), or maybe there was a sneaky clue there that they were shipwrecked on a different island (the second time) than the one on which they were originally shipwrecked!
 
It's true that the Gilligan actors never did much after the show ended, but wasn't Tina Louise doing some "serious" acting on Dallas about the time that the first reunion movie aired? I don't know if that was a factor in her missing the reunion movie, or simply a desire to distance herself from Gilligan, and try to be taken more seriously.

Interesting to note that Dawn Wells and Russell Johnson, who played the two characters referred to as "and the rest" in the first season's theme song, are the only two still-living cast members who still have anything to do with the show!
 
Tina Louise had a nice role in "The Stepford Wives" in the mid-70's. Dawn Wells, until recently, was living in Eastern Idaho and involved in local theater.
 
firepoint525 said:
It's true that the Gilligan actors never did much after the show ended, but wasn't Tina Louise doing some "serious" acting on Dallas about the time that the first reunion movie aired? I don't know if that was a factor in her missing the reunion movie, or simply a desire to distance herself from Gilligan, and try to be taken more seriously.

Interesting to note that Dawn Wells and Russell Johnson, who played the two characters referred to as "and the rest" in the first season's theme song, are the only two still-living cast members who still have anything to do with the show!

There was a time in the late 80's - early 90's where Tina Louise, at least somewhat re-joined the Gilligan's Island family. This was when she joined the cast for a reunion in 1988 on FOX's "Late Show" which turned out I believe the last public appearance of both Jim Backus and Natalie Schaffer ( Backus was very ill during the show and would die the next year ). In his book about how Gilligan came to be, Schwartz had brought up as I can recall sometime around 1985/1986 while eating in a restaurant some woman approaches Tina and says something like "..my husband just died from cancer...the only thing that kept his spirts up in his last days was YOU !!" He enjoyed your work as Ginger !!.." From that point on ( at least temporrary ) Tina actually warmed up about her work on Gilligan and went on to do that reunion.

Of course there are those ( like my wife for example ) who believed at the time ( and still does ) that Tina knew about the poor health of Backus, Schaffer and Hale and knew this would be the last time she would be seen on TV with her co-stars as a whole and all seven together would make for great PR ( it did ).

Well regardless of her motives, Tina Louise's "love" for Gilligans Island came to and end in the mid 90s when Bob Denver had published his bio which was negative towards Tina like her having loud sex in her dressing room that kept Bob Denver awake in his dressing room. Tina and Bob never would speak again and I don't think she has spoken with Russell Johnson since the 88 reunion either, not sure with Wells.

Russell Johnson after losing a son to AIDS, last time I saw him in the press ( 2005 ) he was at some benefit raising funds for HIV/AIDS research.
 
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