riddle me this...non-coms

[Talktalk]

FINALLY, something we ALL agree on, let's just blame the lawyers. I am cool with that...However, I have to tell you, I have heard the same arguments about the Telcom Act and I think many of you have VERY short (or selective) memories.

You blame voice tracking as the loss of talent...listen, talent has ALWAYS and will ALWAYS be at a premium. Tell me one talented host that lost a job due to voice tracking...keep in mind, talent is relative, my point is...consolidation of our business has led to the business being run better, and more efficiently, which has led to a better quality of life for the employees and a better experience for the listener.

This is where I started...and I know RB is going to freak, but, non-coms NOW are still at the same quality level as comercial stations were before Telcom. Hence the Farm Team reference.

 

[Robert Bass]

This is where I started...and I know RB is going to freak, but, non-coms NOW are still at the same quality level as comercial stations were before Telcom. Hence the Farm Team reference.

Freak? No... Wholeheartedly disagree? Yes!



R

 

[little1]

But I think talk Squared's point was name a 'talented host ' that lost a job to VT. Not the generic 'talent'. Because as he implies, chances are some of those people that lost jobs weren't all that talented.

I'd guess that the midday shift in Abeliene or Wichita Falls probably weren't populated with all rising stars...

 

[grantchester]

TT wrote: my point is...consolidation of our business has led to the business being run better, and more efficiently, which has led to a better quality of life for the employees and a better experience for the listener.

G writes: How wonderful, T.T. Please, tell me, what color is the sky on the planet you live on? Ours is a lovely blue with white and grey clouds, and various hues of gold and crimson at sunrise and sunset.
g

 

[adguy]

consolidation of our business has led to the business being run better, and more efficiently, which has led to a better quality of life for the employees and a better experience for the listener.

Elsewhere on Planet Bizaro, President Paris Hilton and her VP Brittany Spears, both Harvard Doctorates of Public Policy have presented FEMA chief and Yale MBA Larry the Cable Guy the Congressional Medal of Honor for his completion of completely rebuilding New Orleans, just 2 years removed from the most destructive natural disaster in the nation's history. In sports, The Texas Rangers, having swept the Tampa Devil Rays in the ALCS, have completed their 7 game World Series win over the powerful Houston Astros in the perrineal I-45 classic. In business news, Enron with CEO Andy Fastow, have completed their purchase of Google and Microsoft to complete its complete recovery from bankrupcy. In other news, Bill Gates, the highly regarded freeway underpass panhandler has been named by HUD director and noted scholar Nicole Richie as this country's new poster boy for the poor and down-trodden.

 

[Talktalk]

Adguy, how predictably unoriginal...your consistency is unflappable...Ad, Chester...these are facts:

Little1 is right about talent in smaller markets...they now have upgraded their product with major market talent.

Employees at stations owned by larger companies have MUCH better benefits not the least of which is healthcare...not to mention 401k and other bennies.

SARBOX is a pain in the butt, However, stations are run better now, than before consolidation. You just can't argue that stations have better accounting and a better grasp on the business of operating a broadcasting business.

sellers and PD's get better research, better resources for giving the listeners and clients what they need...Adguy, you should learn how to use these tools, then you would actually KNOW what you should buy instead of guessing.

Listeners are getting bigger promotions, better concerts and a wider variety of choices instead of 1 KVIL and3 imitators...

We are on the same planet, yu just need to open the window and look outside.

 

[davideduardo]

Adguy, how predictably unoriginal...your consistency is unflappable...Ad, Chester...these are facts:

Little1 is right about talent in smaller markets...they now have upgraded their product with major market talent.

Employees at stations owned by larger companies have MUCH better benefits not the least of which is healthcare...not to mention 401k and other bennies.

SARBOX is a pain in the butt, However, stations are run better now, than before consolidation. You just can't argue that stations have better accounting and a better grasp on the business of operating a broadcasting business.

sellers and PD's get better research, better resources for giving the listeners and clients what they need...Adguy, you should learn how to use these tools, then you would actually KNOW what you should buy instead of guessing.

Listeners are getting bigger promotions, better concerts and a wider variety of choices instead of 1 KVIL and3 imitators...

We are on the same planet, yu just need to open the window and look outside.

I must be coming down with something, because I agree with you.

 

[adguy]

I just got done with my meeting with the Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause and The Loch Ness Monster. They'll be calling you both a bit later.

There are not too many folks that will agree that radio is better off today for talent and employees than it was before the Telecom Act that allowed for its destruction.

Oh by the way TT, my clients are perfectly happy with the results they are getting from their radio buys that I made with MY research packages. That includes a lot of $$'s placed on DE's precious Univision stations.

 

[adguy]

Little1 is right about talent in smaller markets...they now have upgraded their product with major market talent.

You're right, the major market talent is being shoved to smaller markets where they are no doubt being downsized in compensation among other things. I can see where that supports your argument regarding better working conditions for major corp radio employees. NOT! It is benefitting the smaller markets in that they may be getting talent that they would have never seen prior to now, but that is a result of attrition, not their inherent ability to attract talent.

 

[transmittertower]

"Listeners are getting bigger promotions, better concerts and a wider variety of choices instead of 1 KVIL and3 imitators."

Utter nonsense. Try talking to an average listener one on one ,picked at random, in fact ask seven. Odd are 6 of the seven say they don't listen to the radio anymore due to the avalanche of commercials and the same old songs played endlessly.

 

[Talktalk]

adguy, with all due respect, you are talking out of your posterior. You are REALLY offbase here. I can tell you, talent is being "shipped" to small markets, they have duplicate markets. And, working conditions, resources and bennies ARE better. You are materially wrong.

 

[grantchester]

Oh gosh, where to begin.
T.Talk says: smaller markets...they now have upgraded their product with major market talent. Employees at stations owned by larger companies have MUCH better benefits not the least of which is healthcare...not to mention 401k and other bennies.

G responds: Thousands of full time positions are now part time, with no benefits.I could name dozens of personal friends who have lost their broadcast careers in the era of consolidation. Others have had to accept poverty wages to stay in the industry.
Putting Major Market voices on smaller market stations misses the point of communication, since the big voices have no connection to their listeners. The personal element is even more vital in the smaller markets, since there are fewer choices.
Music-Radio has been reduced, with rare exceptions, to juke box music programming. Now that product is losing the battle for ear-time to walkmans, discmans, ipods and silence. Consolidation made short term fortunes for a few, and has done long term damage to an entire industry.
G

 

[adguy]

G Consolidation made short term fortunes for a few, and has done long term damage to an entire industry.

TT: That about sums it up! If you see it otherwise you are a fool and are doomed to the consequences of your jaded future in radio.

DE: I sense you would agree with this, but you are smart enough and high enough up in Univision to withstand what MOST of what radio employees are going through today.

 

[Talktalk]

yeah, I see how it is, anyone who doesn't agree with your unsubstantiated viwpoints are doomed to lose their jobs and suffer...blah blah blah.

What I love best about this type of debate is that I can make salient points and back it up with reasonable logic and guys like you and chester can say..."no it ain't", and leave it at that...and you sound stupid.

all you guys want to focus on...you veritas, robert, chester, et al....all you want to focus on is who made how much, let it go...I can tell you...I am IN the business, ON the EVIL commercial side, and I can tell you, it is MUCH better now...better products, more tools, better talent...

You can argue all you want and make your suppositions, but you are talking out of your arse.

 

[Robert Bass]

all you guys want to focus on...you veritas, robert, chester, et al....all you want to focus on is who made how much

TT,

You're missing the big picture. We have been over this too many times already.

R

 

[grantchester]

TT says: ...unsubstantiated viewpoints...sound stupid...talking arse...

G says: I know what I know, I've suffered for this consolidation, and I don't think you know what you are talking about. For instance, did you know that the next trend for consolidated broadcasters is to cap sales commissions?

As for sounding stupid, the reader will be the judge of that.

My judgement is that your 'salient points' are sophomoric, your logic is faulty, and your knowlege is thin. But it's a free country, you have a right to express your ignorance.

G

 

[Talktalk]

commission cuts have BEEN taking place for years, don't like it, but it is part of the biz...you aren't breaking news here.

You know what else is GOOFY, talking about yourself in the third person. As if your viewpoints weren't odd enough, it makes you sound even Kook-ier.

Robert, again...blah blah blah, big picture this, telcom that...you are a perfect example of being "stuck in time"...you have no idea of the outside world because you rarely, if ever, venture out.

 

[grantchester]

TT SAID: Talking about yourself in third person

G says: ?

TT, you show that wonderful combination of arrogance and ignorance. I think I'm done with this.
g

 

[Robert Bass]

Robert, again...blah blah blah, big picture this, telcom that...you are a perfect example of being "stuck in time"...you have no idea of the outside world because you rarely, if ever, venture out.

Now THAT is a load of poppycock rubbish!

R

 

[adguy]

I am IN the business, ON the EVIL commercial side, and I can tell you, it is MUCH better now...better products, more tools, better talent...

"In the business" on planet Bizaro today, Clear Channel Communications dedicated its new $500 Million school of better broadcasting to further the burgeoning career of TalkTalk and others like him. It is part of their collective effort to raise agency commissions to 15%, new business commissions to 25%. In addition, CC along with CBS, Cox and Cumulus all raised their monthly AE expense accounts to $5000 in addition to unlimited gas. Furthermore all reps will receive company AMEX cards with unlimited spending caps. Howard Stern, in a related move is returning to WNBC in New York with no sensorship attached to his new $1 Billion contract. Stern said, "Satellite is dead along with IPODS and MP3's are just a fad."

Talk, there is no need to provide empirical evidence on the obvious, but if you need it, maybe someone on this thread can provide you empirical evidence that the Earth revolves around the sun, the sky is blue and Elvis is indeed dead. It was put best that you are the embodyment of arrogance and ignorance wrapped up in one.