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RIP Buck Owens

All of you in country radio owe a debt of thanks to Buck Owens, who passed away this morning.

Sadly, the station that owes its very existence to Buck Owens, KNIX, has yet to acknowledge his passing. It would be nice if the station did something, anything, to pay tribute to the man who not only owns a share of country music history, but also helped bring country music radio out of rural america into the business community.

Hey, Clear Channel, remember who you bought KNIX from? Remember why you wanted it so badly among your cluster of Phoenix stations? How 'bout a moment of silence, or better yet, rip up your playlist and spend Saturday night playing his music?
 
> Sadly, the station that owes its very existence to Buck
> Owens, KNIX, has yet to acknowledge his passing.

There seem to be several stations that owe their existance to Buck Owens...I seem to remember that it was him who formed the 'Real Country' format now distributed by ABC. THey seem to be playing about 4 songs per hour of his right now.
 
Our station is paying tribute with 4 songs an hour also. Don't expect to hear anything on KNIX, as Clear Channel probably doesn't know he passed away.

Legends 930
W-WON
Waynesboro, TN
www.am930.net
 
Does it make KNIX more money? Then it's not important.

Clear Channel. Nashville. "Country Music" today. IT's all about money, who cares about paying tribute to Buck Owens.

Perhaps a few Country stations with class like WSM will pay a tribute to him, but for the rest, forget about it.

Sorry to write like this in a tribute note, because I too like what Buck Owens contributed to Country music. But you not hearing Buck Owens tonight is a clear commentary to what COuntry music has become.

Programmers think we want to hear more Shania and Tim Mc Graw ad nauseum than pay tribute to Buck Owens.

Country Music no longer cares on whose backs the art form was built. That's not what makes money, and that's not what you'll hear on the radio.

Sorry to sound so blunt, but it's the truth.




-May Buck Owens rest well in Hillbilly Heaven. R.I.P. You are gone, but not forgotten by the real country fans.
 
> Our station is paying tribute with 4 songs an hour also.
> Don't expect to hear anything on KNIX, as Clear Channel
> probably doesn't know he passed away.
>
> Legends 930
> W-WON
> Waynesboro, TN
> www.am930.net
>
Think before you post, they show him on their website http://www.knixcountry.com/ while the other station shows nothing about him<P ID="signature">______________
http://natedoggairchecks.6x.to/
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> Think before you post, they show him on their website
> http://www.knixcountry.com/ while the other station shows
> nothing about him


Nate, Please show some class, it wasn't up there for quite a while. Trust the other posters. You tend to do this a lot. For someone who talks such smack about country music over on the Frisco board, you lack the cred to be here.

There is another thread over on the Central Cal board in tribute also.

<a=href>http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=688427&Board=centralcal </a>


Godspeed Buck!
 
The first album I ever bought as a kid was the "Tiger by the Tail" LP. Even as a kid I could tell how different the Buck Owens sound was from everything else played on country music radio shows. (In 1965 in my area there were no country stations, just shows on block-programmed stations.) Buck Owens songs stood out from the Nashville Sound orchestrated songs of the day. That Buck and Don Rich harmony was unmatched. Hee Haw made him a household name with even non-country fans but his music career has been under overshadowed by the Hee Haw years. Glad he had a comeback with the Dwight Yoakam duet and his nightclub. Buck Owens - my first favorite singer - will be missed!
 
> > Think before you post, they show him on their website
> > http://www.knixcountry.com/ while the other station shows
> > nothing about him
>
>
> Nate, Please show some class, it wasn't up there for quite a
> while. Trust the other posters. You tend to do this a lot.
> For someone who talks such smack about country music over
> on the Frisco board, you lack the cred to be here.
>
> There is another thread over on the Central Cal board in
> tribute also.
>
http:> //www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=688427&Board=centralcal
>
>
>
> Godspeed Buck!
>

My mother has many of his old LP's, that are now collector items. We used to watch Hee Haw, every Saturday night and would enjoy seeing him. He will be missed by those that loved his music.

He made many contributions to Country music. How sad that so many in Country radio, are doing to him what they did to Johnny Cash.

Wonder if they will give any of these modern Country singers the royal treatment, if any of them were to die?

RDP <><

P.S. RIP Mr. I'M Pickin'.
 
To add to your post...plus an interesting general observation

Add me to the list of Buck Owens admirers. Not only did he have a tremendous impact on country music, he also had some influence on artists outside of country music. The Beatles, especially George Harrison and Ringo Starr, were fans and the Beatles covered "Act Naturally" with Ringo on vocals. It's interesting to listen to the "Beatles For Sale" CD, especially "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party" and hear a bit of the Buck Owens sound from the Fab Four. Also, the legendary lead guitarist for the Ventures, Nokie Edwards, once played in Buck's band (along with original Ventures drummer Howie Johnston).

As for my interesting observation...Buck did a lot to go against the country music conventions of the day such as introducing the Fender Telecaster, a louder twang-ier guitar to country music and Buck's music emphasised a more guitar oriented and less steel guitar oriented sound giving his music a more aggressive rock n roll oriented approach to country music (and he took from flak for that as well as recording "Johnny B. Goode"). The point here is that, in his day, Buck Owens was an innovative artist that fused some elements of rock n' roll with country music and managed to ruffle some feathers of country music purists at the time, but is now revered as a legend today (and rightfully so). Yet the same people from Buck's generation who revere Buck Owens as a legend decry the changes that modern artists have made to country music...changes that probably aren't as drastic as the ones Buck made. It's a double-standard.

> The first album I ever bought as a kid was the "Tiger by the
> Tail" LP. Even as a kid I could tell how different the Buck
> Owens sound was from everything else played on country music
> radio shows. (In 1965 in my area there were no country
> stations, just shows on block-programmed stations.) Buck
> Owens songs stood out from the Nashville Sound orchestrated
> songs of the day. That Buck and Don Rich harmony was
> unmatched. Hee Haw made him a household name with even
> non-country fans but his music career has been under
> overshadowed by the Hee Haw years. Glad he had a comeback
> with the Dwight Yoakam duet and his nightclub. Buck Owens -
> my first favorite singer - will be missed!
>
 
I wish Hee Haw was back on TV with the re-runs. I remember watching it as a kid every saturday night at 6pm on Channel 12 in Rhinelander, WI. I always liked Buck Owens and his red-white and blue guitar.
 
Re: To add to your post...plus an interesting general observation

It is not a double standard.

Buck made changes that were tolerable.

Buck Owens made changes in how his musicians picked guitars.

Still, there was the tight harmony and elements of traditional country in his style. He tipped the scales but not over the top.

In contract, Garth Brooks (the killer of Country music) bashed guitars on stage. That's a big difference.

Buck Owens having a rock n' roll edge is different than going all the way rock n' roll like the artists of today do.

There is no double standard. Buck Owens honored the music. He stayed in touch with traditional country roots, and appeared with practically all the Opry regulars on Hee Haw.

Today's artists honor only the greenback and will do anything on stage to get it. The agents and record executives laugh all the way to the bank as fools drop down $17 for a pathetic CD filled with meaningless lyrics.
 
I agree. It was prefect family entertainment. As I was growing up in Chicagoland, Buck's guitar was three shades of gray. (B/W TV) RIP Mr Owens.<P ID="signature">______________
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Country music hasn't been the same since Ernest Tubb introduced drums to the Grand Ole Opry

Here's where the double standard comes in. I'm guessing that you grew up closer to the Buck Owens generation than to the Garth Brooks generation. The rock n roll influences that Buck Owens brought to country music are not sounds alien to your generation, just as the influences that Garth brought in are not alien to my generation. The influences that Buck Owens brought in are as alien to listeners who grew up listening to Roy Acuff or Hank Williams as the influences Garth Brooks brought in are as alien to those who grew up listening to Buck Owens.

The only thing constant with the music business is change and it always changes in order to appeal to younger listeners. It's one thing to say that you're not a fan of Garth Brooks, but if you argue that Garth destroyed country music, you also must argue that Buck Owens destroyed country music too. I'm sure there are still a few country music fans still alive who have never forgiven Ernest Tubb for introducing drums to the Grand Ole Opry.


> It is not a double standard.
>
> Buck made changes that were tolerable.
>
> Buck Owens made changes in how his musicians picked guitars.
>
>
> Still, there was the tight harmony and elements of
> traditional country in his style. He tipped the scales but
> not over the top.
>
> In contract, Garth Brooks (the killer of Country music)
> bashed guitars on stage. That's a big difference.
>
> Buck Owens having a rock n' roll edge is different than
> going all the way rock n' roll like the artists of today do.
>
>
> There is no double standard. Buck Owens honored the music.
> He stayed in touch with traditional country roots, and
> appeared with practically all the Opry regulars on Hee Haw.
>
> Today's artists honor only the greenback and will do
> anything on stage to get it. The agents and record
> executives laugh all the way to the bank as fools drop down
> $17 for a pathetic CD filled with meaningless lyrics.
>
 
Re: Country music hasn't been the same since Ernest Tubb introduced drums to the Grand Ole Opry

I really appreciate your feedback.

I am not from the Buck Owens era. When I was born, it wasn't long after Elvis died. "Here you come again" from Dolly Parton was number one about the time I saw the light of day. When I was entering High School, COuntry music sounded good. Randy Travis led the revolution back to the Country sound, and good artists like Vern Gosdin, George Strait, Highway 101, Holly Dunn, and Kathy Matea could regularly be heard. It was going downhill, as Garth's popularity, ego, and stage antics started to become huge. By the time I graduated college,he was doing this wierd Chris Gaines routine and Nashville was filled with Garth wannabes. I'm still waiting for the Garth wannabes to be chased out of town. It would be nice if Country Music could enjoy an era like the late 80's and early 90's again.

I am not of the Buck Owens era and I am not at all conservative. If anything, I"m younger than you, though I do not know that for a fact. I do not work in radio. However, I know what I like, and I know a lot of people like what I like. I am glad that there are more Classic COuntry stations now than since when the classics were new. However, I am saddened that most classic country stations just play more Pop music that may be just a few years older than what's new.

If nothing else, I just like good music in its purest form, even at the cost of not having musical tastes that are not consistent with my generation. In spite of all I say, I am so glad that any song that I ever wanted to hear is available to be heard almost instantly, depending on how much one wants to pay. Even for free, more is available than ever before.

I don't know if radio is waning. But for people who actually have taste in music and do not want to be fed the corporate line, there are more options than ever. Radio will not die, but dependence on radio is what is going down. I'll always need traffic and weather, so the local CBS news station is essential listening for me. However, I could care less if this city loses it's Nashville Pop station or not. I will always have good Country music at my fingertips.
 
Re: Country music hasn't been the same since Ernest Tubb introduced drums to the Grand Ole Opry

You're not a typical radio listener and if I wasn't in radio, I wouldn't be one either. I've grown accustomed to having radio stations I really enjoy listening to, changing formats because I've realized along the way that any radio station that targets ME as a listener will go bankrupt.

Like him or not, you really can't argue that Garth Brooks was very popular and sold a lot of CDs. Wbether or not he's truly country is only part of controversy that has existed in the format for the last half century...and because of the constant change that exists with music, that in a half century from now country music will sound so radically different that old timers will lament that the format has strayed away from the good ole days when we had legends like Garth Brooks around.


> I really appreciate your feedback.
>
> I am not from the Buck Owens era. When I was born, it wasn't
> long after Elvis died. "Here you come again" from Dolly
> Parton was number one about the time I saw the light of day.
> When I was entering High School, COuntry music sounded good.
> Randy Travis led the revolution back to the Country sound,
> and good artists like Vern Gosdin, George Strait, Highway
> 101, Holly Dunn, and Kathy Matea could regularly be heard.
> It was going downhill, as Garth's popularity, ego, and stage
> antics started to become huge. By the time I graduated
> college,he was doing this wierd Chris Gaines routine and
> Nashville was filled with Garth wannabes. I'm still waiting
> for the Garth wannabes to be chased out of town. It would be
> nice if Country Music could enjoy an era like the late 80's
> and early 90's again.
>
> I am not of the Buck Owens era and I am not at all
> conservative. If anything, I"m younger than you, though I
> do not know that for a fact. I do not work in radio.
> However, I know what I like, and I know a lot of people like
> what I like. I am glad that there are more Classic COuntry
> stations now than since when the classics were new. However,
> I am saddened that most classic country stations just play
> more Pop music that may be just a few years older than
> what's new.
>
> If nothing else, I just like good music in its purest form,
> even at the cost of not having musical tastes that are not
> consistent with my generation. In spite of all I say, I am
> so glad that any song that I ever wanted to hear is
> available to be heard almost instantly, depending on how
> much one wants to pay. Even for free, more is available than
> ever before.
>
> I don't know if radio is waning. But for people who actually
> have taste in music and do not want to be fed the corporate
> line, there are more options than ever. Radio will not die,
> but dependence on radio is what is going down. I'll always
> need traffic and weather, so the local CBS news station is
> essential listening for me. However, I could care less if
> this city loses it's Nashville Pop station or not. I will
> always have good Country music at my fingertips.
>
 
Re: Country music hasn't been the same since Ernest Tubb introduced drums to the Grand Ole Opry

> > I really appreciate your feedback.
> >
> > I am not from the Buck Owens era. When I was born, it
> wasn't
> > long after Elvis died. "Here you come again" from Dolly
> > Parton was number one about the time I saw the light of
> day.
> > When I was entering High School, COuntry music sounded
> good.
> > Randy Travis led the revolution back to the Country sound,
>
> > and good artists like Vern Gosdin, George Strait, Highway
>
> > 101, Holly Dunn, and Kathy Matea could regularly be heard.
>
> > It was going downhill, as Garth's popularity, ego, and
> stage
> > antics started to become huge. By the time I graduated
> > college,he was doing this wierd Chris Gaines routine and
> > Nashville was filled with Garth wannabes. I'm still
> waiting
> > for the Garth wannabes to be chased out of town. It would
> be
> > nice if Country Music could enjoy an era like the late
> 80's
> > and early 90's again.




> You're not a typical radio listener and if I wasn't in
> radio, I wouldn't be one either. I've grown accustomed to
> having radio stations I really enjoy listening to, changing
> formats because I've realized along the way that any radio
> station that targets ME as a listener will go bankrupt.
>
> Like him or not, you really can't argue that Garth Brooks
> was very popular and sold a lot of CDs. Wbether or not he's
> truly country is only part of controversy that has existed
> in the format for the last half century...and because of the
> constant change that exists with music, that in a half
> century from now country music will sound so radically
> different that old timers will lament that the format has
> strayed away from the good ole days when we had legends like
> Garth Brooks around.
>
>


Must be time to throw my two cents in.... Hope you don't mind a '75 and a '79 :)

As a few have noticed on this thread, country music is always changing, the influences of the artists change.. The target demos influences change.... and time passing seems to polish the old to the point that people who hated it then will accept it now it seems

I came up right about the time of the outlaw movement and the late 80's music (then called Young country) movements.

Each time it's was the death of country music as we knew it blah blah... I can tell it's changed, but has it really changed?

Hell if memory serves correct, some of the songs coming out in the 1960's and 1970s were sometimes banned from radio due to their content. I think one of the songs that had some controversy behind it was "Harper Valley PTA" the Tom T hall pinned song due to the descriptions in the song were considered Racy at the time..now a classic country staple...

Well we do have some more a/c influenced music on country radio right now with groups like Rascall Flatts, and we do have rock influenced country by groups like Montgomery Gentry, But we also have stone cold country that's played the same way since the 1960's by people like Alan Jackson and George Strait.

Country always had it's innovators pushing the limits,more so at times in the public forefront that rock and pop.....just that time polishes the crappy ones away

For example, on NWSide's 80's and 90's music...That was about the time of young country..stations giving up the old to play the new artists and songs coming up that was different than the Urban cowboy crap of the early 1980s..Kind of funny how the same stations now are called "new country" and they still are hated cause they play the newer artists and songs, and what was crap then is considered "classic" now.

I love my classics, as well as today's product... Actually wish country PD's would get better ideas when programming a classics station. I think personally it takes as much research to make a classic country station flow right for multiple age group listeners as it does say a new country station. But I find a few stations take the Jack idea to them (since most are on am), throw a 500 song library at the station and hope the ratings come.

Country is definitely weird and getting weirder... Who would have thought that Some Alternative rock and AAA listeners would take after artist so far out of their genre as Johnny Cash and Merle Haggard? That a alternative rocker would produce a record for Loretta Lynn ..WTF?!?!?!?!?

On Classics playing too much newer stuff, I do agree that possibly it should be 10 years old or older than the standard 5 that most Classic stations go by (more in the lines with classic rock stations who are usually about 10-15 years behind).. Most of the stuff becoming classics are still in pretty good rotation at modern country stations but I think you can sort of blame the classic stations trying to get more listeners to their stations and broaden listenership..can't blame them for that.

Right now, in my personal listening, I'm more into the 1950's-1970s classic country (I got burned out on anything newer as of late)..I'm also into finding the lost classics (from just the 90's that never got to stick with people as Keith talked about) that country radio seems to forget cause it doesn't test well (cause if it doesn't test well, they don't want to take chances and actually play it, even though it might have been a great song ).

and one final cent before I sign off..... Garth Brooks didn't bring his pop routine to country until "friends in Low places" made him a superstar and he could both get away with a rock star attitude, as well as the pop crossover fans were expecting it IMO..and since Friends sold tons, Nashville wisdom filled the market with wanna be's that just like the urban cowboy craze, just brought one hit wonders and people who never made it past albumn one.

Check out Garth's first self titled album and No fences which are pre superstardom (other than "thunder rolls" which is sort of a rock flavored country song, is still more country than some of the newer stuff) and you can see that change, after Friends kicked it with every other album after that.

So If garth screwed up country or just a song about getting drunk and telling your ex to go screw herself that just happened to hit it for millions of people, and Nashville just preppied for it.. we may never really get a true idea or consensus on who or what "screwed up" country I think... It changed country... But it just brought it kicking and screaming into line with the other formats that had been going specialized for years IMO

RFLA
 
Re: To add to your post...plus an interesting general observation

its not a double standard. they didnt turn all the music into bubblegum country for mid 20s females so the big stations could make more bucks!! i love buck owens music. its not about crossover. its about the music today sucks!! except for hank 3, shooter jennings and cross canadian ragweed to name a few good artists..



> Add me to the list of Buck Owens admirers. Not only did he
> have a tremendous impact on country music, he also had some
> influence on artists outside of country music. The Beatles,
> especially George Harrison and Ringo Starr, were fans and
> the Beatles covered "Act Naturally" with Ringo on vocals.
> It's interesting to listen to the "Beatles For Sale" CD,
> especially "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party" and hear a bit
> of the Buck Owens sound from the Fab Four. Also, the
> legendary lead guitarist for the Ventures, Nokie Edwards,
> once played in Buck's band (along with original Ventures
> drummer Howie Johnston).
>
> As for my interesting observation...Buck did a lot to go
> against the country music conventions of the day such as
> introducing the Fender Telecaster, a louder twang-ier guitar
> to country music and Buck's music emphasised a more guitar
> oriented and less steel guitar oriented sound giving his
> music a more aggressive rock n roll oriented approach to
> country music (and he took from flak for that as well as
> recording "Johnny B. Goode"). The point here is that, in
> his day, Buck Owens was an innovative artist that fused some
> elements of rock n' roll with country music and managed to
> ruffle some feathers of country music purists at the time,
> but is now revered as a legend today (and rightfully so).
> Yet the same people from Buck's generation who revere Buck
> Owens as a legend decry the changes that modern artists have
> made to country music...changes that probably aren't as
> drastic as the ones Buck made. It's a double-standard.
>
>
> > The first album I ever bought as a kid was the "Tiger by
> the
> > Tail" LP. Even as a kid I could tell how different the
> Buck
> > Owens sound was from everything else played on country
> music
> > radio shows. (In 1965 in my area there were no country
> > stations, just shows on block-programmed stations.) Buck
> > Owens songs stood out from the Nashville Sound
> orchestrated
> > songs of the day. That Buck and Don Rich harmony was
> > unmatched. Hee Haw made him a household name with even
> > non-country fans but his music career has been under
> > overshadowed by the Hee Haw years. Glad he had a comeback
> > with the Dwight Yoakam duet and his nightclub. Buck Owens
> -
> > my first favorite singer - will be missed!
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
Re: To add to your post...plus an interesting general observation

> It is not a double standard.
>
> Buck made changes that were tolerable.
>
> Buck Owens made changes in how his musicians picked guitars.
>
>
> Still, there was the tight harmony and elements of
> traditional country in his style. He tipped the scales but
> not over the top.
>
> In contract, Garth Brooks (the killer of Country music)
> bashed guitars on stage. That's a big difference.
>
> Buck Owens having a rock n' roll edge is different than
> going all the way rock n' roll like the artists of today do.
>
>
> There is no double standard. Buck Owens honored the music.
> He stayed in touch with traditional country roots, and
> appeared with practically all the Opry regulars on Hee Haw.
>
> Today's artists honor only the greenback and will do
> anything on stage to get it. The agents and record
> executives laugh all the way to the bank as fools drop down
> $17 for a pathetic CD filled with meaningless lyrics.
>
country today is not rock n roll ..its pop..not rock n roll!! and it sucks!!<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
Re: Country music hasn't been the same since Ernest Tubb introduced drums to the Grand Ole Opry

garth did not destroy country music..the downfall started with the pms jingles of shanai twain barrrfff!!!!!!


> Here's where the double standard comes in. I'm guessing
> that you grew up closer to the Buck Owens generation than to
> the Garth Brooks generation. The rock n roll influences that
> Buck Owens brought to country music are not sounds alien to
> your generation, just as the influences that Garth brought
> in are not alien to my generation. The influences that Buck
> Owens brought in are as alien to listeners who grew up
> listening to Roy Acuff or Hank Williams as the influences
> Garth Brooks brought in are as alien to those who grew up
> listening to Buck Owens.
>
> The only thing constant with the music business is change
> and it always changes in order to appeal to younger
> listeners. It's one thing to say that you're not a fan of
> Garth Brooks, but if you argue that Garth destroyed country
> music, you also must argue that Buck Owens destroyed country
> music too. I'm sure there are still a few country music fans
> still alive who have never forgiven Ernest Tubb for
> introducing drums to the Grand Ole Opry.
>
>
> > It is not a double standard.
> >
> > Buck made changes that were tolerable.
> >
> > Buck Owens made changes in how his musicians picked
> guitars.
> >
> >
> > Still, there was the tight harmony and elements of
> > traditional country in his style. He tipped the scales but
>
> > not over the top.
> >
> > In contract, Garth Brooks (the killer of Country music)
> > bashed guitars on stage. That's a big difference.
> >
> > Buck Owens having a rock n' roll edge is different than
> > going all the way rock n' roll like the artists of today
> do.
> >
> >
> > There is no double standard. Buck Owens honored the music.
>
> > He stayed in touch with traditional country roots, and
> > appeared with practically all the Opry regulars on Hee
> Haw.
> >
> > Today's artists honor only the greenback and will do
> > anything on stage to get it. The agents and record
> > executives laugh all the way to the bank as fools drop
> down
> > $17 for a pathetic CD filled with meaningless lyrics.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
> Our station is paying tribute with 4 songs an hour also.
> Don't expect to hear anything on KNIX, as Clear Channel
> probably doesn't know he passed away.
>
> Legends 930
> W-WON
> Waynesboro, TN
> www.am930.net
>
they know but they dont care because SHE doesnt care..

long live xm 10 america..the true sound of country....<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
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