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RM strikes plea deal

radio_insider said:
That's overall stations not 3pm-7pm ratings. Nice try though. You have no clue. Go research the last 20 books and tell me that Russ didn't dominate Men 18+, 18-34M and 18-34P and Persons 18+ and Men 18+ and Persons 25-54. The Ticket competed with men 25-54. The Ticket never even came close to Russ' "persons" ratings. The only demo they competed in was men 25-54. And in point of fact, they lost. Numbers don't lie.


Russ, is that you??
 
salemjedi54 said:
Im sure that Skip Cheatam is making over 100 large a year. Do you have proof that Willis Johnson is still an "hourly" employee after 30 years doing mornings?

No proof...that's why I said "probably" (as I know who owns the station!) I've seen how some black talent in this town and elsewhere has gotten screwed over the years because management realizes that the talent's quest to get a message out there and to put all that passion and emotion into words sometimes outweighs a talent's persistence to get the big bucks. Now that doesn't justify paying white talent more than black talent, but I think some of the black jocks and personalities have been taken advantage of, and, too, some of them sell themselves way short of their own abilities and impact, and look at on-air jobs as a PRIVILEGE and RESPONSIBILITY. Me, I'd gladly pay Cheatham and ESPECIALLY Willis Johnson what they're really worth. I don't know a lot about Cheatham, but Willis Johnson is the glue that holds KKDA-AM together, and has forged such an incredible bond with his listeners and community...but never get much recognition for it. I'm sure Bagby had a similar hold on his own listeners (which Willis has probably inherited now.)

(This is all opinion, so please don't read me the Riot Act if I come off sounding stereotypical...this is just how I see it.)

Just for my own info...how did the morning show progression happen at KKDA-AM? I know Joyner was there in 1974-75-76 or longer, but not sure when Willis Johnson came in. Joyner, of course, ended up at K-104 about 1980 (live and local--no fly-jocking yet) replacing Warren Epps in the mornings. (Before Epps, I believe it was Vern Catron doing AM drive at K-104, correct?)
 
idiggraves said:
radio_insider said:
That's overall stations not 3pm-7pm ratings. Nice try though. You have no clue. Go research the last 20 books and tell me that Russ didn't dominate Men 18+, 18-34M and 18-34P and Persons 18+ and Men 18+ and Persons 25-54. The Ticket competed with men 25-54. The Ticket never even came close to Russ' "persons" ratings. The only demo they competed in was men 25-54. And in point of fact, they lost. Numbers don't lie.


Russ, is that you??

Yeap, that's wussy Russy making the bold, yet ignorant statements. Expect more of it now that the legal process iself is complete.
 
Russ in my opinion has done what every a**hole on this board has been screaming for since last summer. He has essentially said I will accpet my reposnsibilty, my pnishment and move on.

He has more class that practically everyone on this board. You all would have been a bunch of two faced Pu**ys if you found yourself in the same situation.

Russ will be back. Russ will be great. It is none of your business hwta he accepts or is offered for salary. I personlly know Russ does this for the love of the business not because he needs the pesos.

Russ I am proud of you, Vaya con Dios mi Compadre!!!! I wish you and "Mandy" the best.

Sho all these losers they are wrong and return like Batman would when we all were sure ther was no hope!! Same Bat time. Same bat Channel...Boss Man!!!
 
TowerOwner said:
Please forgive my typos. I have been hanging out at the bar today with certain someone we will not name.
Yeah, ok, I'll let the cat out of the bag...it was with me. I was interviewing for the new coalition that's taking over mornings at KSCS (to be renamed K-RUS soon.) For all my kindness to the RMS on the board these last few years, I was offered the position of Lead Whipping Boy at a salary of $16.5K a year. That beat Metro's offer by $6,500, so I'm sure I'll take it.

;D
 
Russ in my opinion has done what every a**hole on this board has been screaming for since last summer. He has essentially said I will accpet my reposnsibilty, my pnishment and move on.

He has more class that practically everyone on this board. You all would have been a bunch of two faced Pu**ys if you found yourself in the same situation.

Russ will be back. Russ will be great. It is none of your business hwta he accepts or is offered for salary. I personlly know Russ does this for the love of the business not because he needs the pesos.

Russ I am proud of you, Vaya con Dios mi Compadre!!!! I wish you and "Mandy" the best.

Sho all these losers they are wrong and return like Batman would when we all were sure ther was no hope!! Same Bat time. Same bat Channel...Boss Man!!!

Guess you would be Trey Trenholm then. Could you put your pale, oddly shaped head any further up RM's starfish?

And Russ didn't accept his responsibility, he took the plea deal to save his butt. Do you think he REALLY wanted 2 years probation? Get real.
Maybe the article coming out in the Dallas Observer had something to do with it. Who knows. But any way you cut it, your lord and master is a coward.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
Just for my own info...how did the morning show progression happen at KKDA-AM? I know Joyner was there in 1974-75-76 or longer, but not sure when Willis Johnson came in. Joyner, of course, ended up at K-104 about 1980 (live and local--no fly-jocking yet) replacing Warren Epps in the mornings. (Before Epps, I believe it was Vern Catron doing AM drive at K-104, correct?)
I did weekend News at K104 from 1980 to 1982 while I was a student at UTA. Tom Joyner started doing morning drive at K104 around September 1982. Willis Johnson was already at KKDA AM when I started at K104 in June 1980.

I had worked at WFAA NewsTalk 57 in 1978, and the pay at K104 was actually a lot more generous than WFAA had been. When the ratings went up, all of the airstaff was excited about getting a raise. There was only once when I was there when the book had really been disappointing, and that was in 1982. As a result, Gary Hoffman was fired as Program Director, and was replaced with Michael Spears. With Michael Spears, about the only DJ that kept the same airshift was Chris McCoy doing evenings. Tom O'Hare was fired from afternoon drive. Yvonne St. John was replaced with Michael Hernandez at middays. Tom Joyner replaced Warren Eppes. Even the Production Director Ken Davis was replaced with a new guy.

While I am unclear whether Willis Johnson's pay may technically be hourly or salary, some of the employees at the station did have employment contracts.
 
It's kinda hard to find a base for stats when you pull them directly out of your colon :)

Again, I've said it once and I'll say it again. Russ wasn't number for for about 3 years before he was off the air. If you can show me the paperwork that I'm wrong then I'll gladly take a look at it.
 
Stinkymess said:
Russ in my opinion has done what every a**hole on this board has been screaming for since last summer. He has essentially said I will accpet my reposnsibilty, my pnishment and move on.

He has more class that practically everyone on this board. You all would have been a bunch of two faced Pu**ys if you found yourself in the same situation.

Russ will be back. Russ will be great. It is none of your business hwta he accepts or is offered for salary. I personlly know Russ does this for the love of the business not because he needs the pesos.

Russ I am proud of you, Vaya con Dios mi Compadre!!!! I wish you and "Mandy" the best.

Sho all these losers they are wrong and return like Batman would when we all were sure ther was no hope!! Same Bat time. Same bat Channel...Boss Man!!!

Guess you would be Trey Trenholm then. Could you put your pale, oddly shaped head any further up RM's starfish?

And Russ didn't accept his responsibility, he took the plea deal to save his butt. Do you think he REALLY wanted 2 years probation? Get real.
Maybe the article coming out in the Dallas Observer had something to do with it. Who knows. But any way you cut it, your lord and master is a coward.


ANd who here wouldn't take a plea deal if they were guilty and were offered one? Would YOU rather go to jail or take 2 years probation? I didn't think so.
 
donicus said:
ANd who here wouldn't take a plea deal if they were guilty and were offered one? Would YOU rather go to jail or take 2 years probation? I didn't think so.

Oh, I don't know..... Some Jail Time.... and half-way houses experiences would make for some very good material for quite a few shows.....

Even the Ticket roundtable of former guys who did time, did not cover the madness that goes on at some of the half-way houses.....
 
Wow...alot of brave, faceless and anonymous people wasting alot of time on somebody that they couldn't give 2 squirts about. No wonder Russ always said he didn't like radio people. Look, I don't agree with what he allegedly did to his "fiancee'" or whoever, but, the bottom line is and always has been money. Whether on terrestrial radio or satellite radio, if Russ can still pull an audience, which, i'm fairly certan that he can, then advertisers will come. That's all they care about. Look at all the radio people and other types that have had problems with the law and/or done something stupid. Our culture loves second chances, whether you think they deserve them or not. If he pulls in an audience and stays even in the top 10, then advertisers will come back around. Also, what's with a message thread that is just there to say how boring Russ' new website is? REALLY? What's next, a thread to discuss the color and texture of his feces? Let it go and see what happens, people.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
salemjedi54 said:
Im sure that Skip Cheatam is making over 100 large a year. Do you have proof that Willis Johnson is still an "hourly" employee after 30 years doing mornings?

No proof...that's why I said "probably" (as I know who owns the station!) I've seen how some black talent in this town and elsewhere has gotten screwed over the years because management realizes that the talent's quest to get a message out there and to put all that passion and emotion into words sometimes outweighs a talent's persistence to get the big bucks. Now that doesn't justify paying white talent more than black talent, but I think some of the black jocks and personalities have been taken advantage of, and, too, some of them sell themselves way short of their own abilities and impact, and look at on-air jobs as a PRIVILEGE and RESPONSIBILITY. Me, I'd gladly pay Cheatham and ESPECIALLY Willis Johnson what they're really worth. I don't know a lot about Cheatham, but Willis Johnson is the glue that holds KKDA-AM together, and has forged such an incredible bond with his listeners and community...but never get much recognition for it. I'm sure Bagby had a similar hold on his own listeners (which Willis has probably inherited now.)

(This is all opinion, so please don't read me the Riot Act if I come off sounding stereotypical...this is just how I see it.)

Just for my own info...how did the morning show progression happen at KKDA-AM? I know Joyner was there in 1974-75-76 or longer, but not sure when Willis Johnson came in. Joyner, of course, ended up at K-104 about 1980 (live and local--no fly-jocking yet) replacing Warren Epps in the mornings. (Before Epps, I believe it was Vern Catron doing AM drive at K-104, correct?)

Joyner hired Willis in the mid 70's...I think 1975 or 1976. When Joyner left to go to Chicago, Willis replaced him and has been there ever since. That had to be around 1977 I believe.

Warren Epps did 9 to 12, but if I remember correctly, Joyner replaced Drew Hayes as K104's morning man.

As far as someone gettign screwed by Service management...Scott West was screwed royally. He told me that personally.
 
salemjedi54 said:
Warren Epps did 9 to 12, but if I remember correctly, Joyner replaced Drew Hayes as K104's morning man.

Tom Joyner replaced Warren Epps as K104's morning drive approximately August or September 1982.
 
ANd who here wouldn't take a plea deal if they were guilty and were offered one? Would YOU rather go to jail or take 2 years probation? I didn't think so.


Oh, I don't know..... Some Jail Time.... and half-way houses experiences would make for some very good material for quite a few shows.....

Even the Ticket roundtable of former guys who did time, did not cover the madness that goes on at some of the half-way houses.....

Funny. Russ would have had a better deal if he had taken this offer back in Nov. 08.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/sportatorium/2008/11/russ_martin_to_prosecutors_no_1.php
 
No, I said the last book, not a trend, meaning a 3 month period (this would have been the summer book which would be July, August, and September) and came out in October. And here is another little problem with the post you referenced. PPM's posted 11-03-08? PPM rolled out 11-03-08. Good post though, you're obviously on top of your game.

RMS was only on for 6 weeks of PPM ratings. To say that RMS doesn't play well under PPM is a bit much. Notice The Ticket fell too. Like everything else, when PPM rolled out, it had flaws. If you want to get technical, go look at their November distribution, especially in the number of PPMs distributed and duration people held them. Then look at how D/FW stations faired in the first month vs. other major markets. If you have a brain, you can come to a logical conclusion.

I did notice you didn't want to discuss the fact that advertisers signed new contracts with Russ doing spots for them and at that point he was facing a felony. Kind of flies in the face of your argument that nobody will touch him. And while you're doing your research, tell Nike they've made a huge mistake doing a huge ad campaign with an accused rapist. Oops.


little1 said:
radio_insider said:
So, let me get this straight. His advertisers stayed with him when he was charged with a felony (and even signed new deals except for one), but they won't touch him because of a "no contest" plea? Try again. And as far as ratings go, someone needs to go back and look at the last book he completed. #2 Men 25-54 (.1 behind Hardline) #1 persons 18-34, 25-54, Men 18-34 and Men 18+. Yeah, that's a real slide.

#1 persons 25-54????
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=115293.0
The PPM's posted 11-3-08 show this:

PERSONS 25-54
1 - 1 KLNO
4t- 2 KHKS
3 - 3 KZPS
4t- 4 KSCS
2 - 5 KPLX
10t-6t KKDA-FM
4t-6t KLUV
16t-8 KESS
7 -9t KVIL
12-9t KDMX
8 - 11 KSOC
9 - 12 KLTY
14t-13 KJKK
13-14t KEGL
14t-14t WBAP

Then check out page 2 of that thread...
check out KLLI's M25-54 numbers. Morning drive, top 10, afternoon drive, top 10. Middays? Not even in the top 20....

Now i don't know what you're claiming as "the last book he completed" waqs, but since this thread
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=115672.0
announcing his departure is dated 12/8/08, I don't thik it's unreasonable to look at a November PPM release as close to the end...

So here you are, a Russ apologist, claiming he was #1 men 25-54. And yet these I am from 7 months ago saying he was top 10. And somehow nobody corrected me?

They didn't correct me in multiple posts?
Re: The Rise and Fall of Russ Martin
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2008, 09:23:44 am »
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Last trend they were down to the 6-8 range. Don't remember where exactly, but I think it was Jagger 8th, B&S 21st and Russ 6th with M25-54.

Maybe David or Domingo can post the actual numbers, and we'll see who is really 'dead ass wrong'.
 
radio_insider said:
I did notice you didn't want to discuss the fact that advertisers signed new contracts with Russ doing spots for them and at that point he was facing a felony. Kind of flies in the face of your argument that nobody will touch him. And while you're doing your research, tell Nike they've made a huge mistake doing a huge ad campaign with an accused rapist. Oops.

There's no need to discuss this because it has already been covered. At that time, he was facing a felony charge, which means innocent until proven guilty. Because he now plead no contest, the ballgame has totally changed. So while adverts may have been with him when he was facing a "charge", they won't be with him because of his plea. No advert wants to associate with somone who has a no contest plea for assault, because that's a PR disaster for them. That is what I believe little1 is saying, and I totally concur.
 
So, a plea to a misdemeanor with no conviction is worse than the original media onslaught of assault with a deadly weapon? I don't think so. Again, of all the people who have screwed up and rebuilt their image, do you really think Russ' plea is the worst?

You don't like Russ or his show, and that's ok. I just think this notion that he is doomed is retarded at best. He now has a chance to tell his side of the story. For the haters, it won't matter. For others, it will be enlightening.

scrtr84 said:
radio_insider said:
I did notice you didn't want to discuss the fact that advertisers signed new contracts with Russ doing spots for them and at that point he was facing a felony. Kind of flies in the face of your argument that nobody will touch him. And while you're doing your research, tell Nike they've made a huge mistake doing a huge ad campaign with an accused rapist. Oops.

There's no need to discuss this because it has already been covered. At that time, he was facing a felony charge, which means innocent until proven guilty. Because he now plead no contest, the ballgame has totally changed. So while adverts may have been with him when he was facing a "charge", they won't be with him because of his plea. No advert wants to associate with somone who has a no contest plea for assault, because that's a PR disaster for them. That is what I believe little1 is saying, and I totally concur.
 
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