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Rochester Spring Ratings '12

SirRoxalot said:
Considering that they can't get 34 of the 48 PPM rated markets certified by the Media Ratings Council, I'd say that "reliable" isn't one of the words I'd use to describe PPM. "Different", perhaps, and considering that PPM sample sizes are even smaller than diary samples, I might also go with "anemic". And, PPM samples "hearing", not "listening". Of course, if you listen on headphones or earbuds, you need to plug in an adapter to get the PPM to work. I'm sure that nobody ever "forgot" the extra cord needed to make that work.

OK, cue "TheBigA" and "David Eduardo", who'll extoll the virtues of Arbitron methodology in general, and PPM in particular.

Simple. The agencies, for whom radio buys ratings, wanted faster, electronic delivery with greater granularity and a newer methodology. Radio, under the "client is always right" truism, supported Arbitron's efforts to advance the meter concept it had been developing since around 1991.

And agencies badly wanted a measure of impressions, not memory. The got that, too.

One of the objectives of the PPM was to have frequent books, eliminating the lengthy 12-week diary survey period... a system that failed compared to instant hit and click data from the web and ovenights on TV. Thus the PPM could make radio very competitive on timliness. To do fast turn around surveys, the daily and weekly samples had to be larger than the very small and totally uneven ones in the dairy.

So we have daily and weekly samples that are larger than the monthly diary samples, and the ability to look at specific days and dayparts with the same accuracy as an entire book... something impossible to do with the diary.

The cost of the PPM raised subscriber fees by 60% on the average. Some dropped out, some complained about the high cost. Arbitron has made it plain that they will gladly add more sample if all subscribers in a market pay for the addition. So far, radio has not backed a sample increase of this kind.

Arbitron, who never did panel surveys before, had allied with Nielsen for the PPM. The earliest Philadelphia and Houston tests were done with Nielsen. The meetings I attended about the Philadelphia 2002 tests included as many Nielsen executives as Arbitron reps. But the alliance broke up.

And Arbitron had to go it alone. They selected a phone base sample frame for all markets except Houston, which was set up with Nielsen's system using an address based sample frame. Houston quickly won and has kept accreditation.

Arbitron, at considerable cost, is using address based recruiting as well as a cell-phone-only sample to improve the reliability of the sample itself. As this rolls out, they are getting more and more accreditations, including the #1 revenue market, LA.

As they resolve some DDI (response rate) issues inherent to panels, it is pretty likely all 48 markets will be accredited.

As to the earbud thing, I don't think that any subscriber uses the cumbersome passthrough device But since stream listening does not accrue to the broadcast station it originates from (except for NPR) the earbud thing is not relevat at present. What is needed is to have the PPM in a smartphone app, but the current battery and microphone technologies are not able to make that happen for some time to come.



That's the easy one: statistics is the only science where "error" is not a dirty word. Statistics measures probability by taking a sample of the universe under study, and projects into the entire population group.

An error of one or two percent can make a political poll show the "wrong winner" while in most marketing functions, such as radio, errors of that size or greater are eminently tolerable and in no way compromise the data.

"Who's on first?" is not the purpose of ratings. The purpose is to give a reliable estimate of "how many are on first at the same time." Being first or second or third is not very salable, as there is no way to evaluate comparative cost based on rank. So the battle is not about rank, but about rating. Having the right delivery of the client target demo at the right CPP is essential.

And since the metric used is rating, keep in mind that a .4 rating can cover, in most 6-Mid cases, stations with anything from a 3.6 to a 4.5 share, even though there is a difference of around 25% between the lowest and the highest of the possible 0.4 rating range base shares. That simply shows that agencies are not looking at little 0.3 or 0.5 share differences... and it also shows that all the degree of precision some are looking for is totally obfuscated by the buying process.
 
Mike Sheridan said:
What's 1280's signal like? Good coverage or not? I auditioned for a job there many years ago. It was WROC at the time, and not doing well. It became WPXN so I dodged a bullet!

The market started outgrowing 1280's signal in the sixties. By day, it's 5 kW non-directional and does fine, but at night it's by far the most restricted of the three 5 kW regional fulltimers in town. It blasts nicely north into the city and does fine in Irondequoit and most of Greece, but it has a very deep null to co-channel WADO in NYC that pretty much eliminates any useful night coverage of the southeastern suburbs. The FM simulcast on 107.3 filled in that null nicely, but it apparently became more lucrative for CC to spin 107.3 off to separate programming.
 
Fortunately, 1280 streams online, which is how I prefer to listen to Red Wings games-- just as I'm doing as I type this...

...plus, since they don't stream most of the advertising for some reason, I hear the multi-syllable word HUUUUUUUU-GGGGGGGGGGGG-EEEEEEEEEEEE a lot less often. :)
 
So Bob 1370, did you notice any difference in your ratings since Lonsberry ends at 1:00 now? Did you pick up any audience in the 1 -2:00 hour?
 
since they don't stream most of the advertising for some reason,

Seriously umtrr? They haven't figured out how to sell it yet!! It isn't "throw away" anymore!! There is value there!! Maybe??
I stream Tampa (It's a CBS station..and get ALL the spots, sometimes twice!!) Just something to think about.

HDBG

BTW-- Any other input welcome as to why???
 
heydaybegone said:
since they don't stream most of the advertising for some reason,

Seriously umtrr? They haven't figured out how to sell it yet!! It isn't "throw away" anymore!!

Most stations that do not stream their stopsets do so because they are concerned that any commercial using AFTRA talent (meaning most national and regional agency spots) requires additional payments for streaming. In turn, most agencies have a "no streaming" dictate to avoid liability.

So, stations simply block all commercials or many commercials out of their stream. Since it is really hard to sell streaming-only spots, as the streams only rarely show ratings, we end up with stopsets either filled with PSAs or filled with the stuff the streaming provider puts in instead.
 
And in the case of 1280, it's a selection of short (sometimes strange) sounds, mixed in with instrumental snippets of a few songs. One of these (songs, not strange sounds!) is "Skin Trade" by Duran Duran for example. (Considering that there's a non-trivial percentage of "bikini babes" on 'HTK's website, this is not entirely inappropriate...

The timing is not always correct and sometimes the "block" starts or ends early, with the result that you hear, for example, the ending high-speed disclaimer of an auto dealer ad, or the play-by-play outro cut off in mid-sentence.
 
Savage said:
"Granularity??" ???

As opposed to what? "Minty freshness" in audience sampling??

It depends on whether you are measuring candy or breakfast cereal.

As used by Arbitron and the industry, "granularity" refers to the ability to drill down to narrow time periods and custom demo spreads. In PPM, we can look at individual quarter hours for single days if we want, and with MediaMonitors as an add on, we can see minute by minute reactions to songs, bits, commercials.

That's more granular than the beach at Waikiki.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Savage said:
"Granularity??" ???

As opposed to what? "Minty freshness" in audience sampling??

It depends on whether you are measuring candy or breakfast cereal.

As used by Arbitron and the industry, "granularity" refers to the ability to drill down to narrow time periods and custom demo spreads. In PPM, we can look at individual quarter hours for single days if we want, and with MediaMonitors as an add on, we can see minute by minute reactions to songs, bits, commercials.

That's more granular than the beach at Waikiki.
This is true. But in all seriousness, is there a danger of over-reacting and misinterpreting information which can be strained and sifted to the point of having no nutritional value? Some consultants, group managers and media professionals have advised caution.
 
Element9 said:
This is true. But in all seriousness, is there a danger of over-reacting and misinterpreting information which can be strained and sifted to the point of having no nutritional value? Some consultants, group managers and media professionals have advised caution.

Oh, yeah. And while the PPM software blocks the display of any selected segment that does not have "enough" meters there are still those who will make decisions based on reports that are based on 35 or 30 meters in markets with upwards of 40 stations!.

And then there are people making music decisions based on MediaMonitors where an individual station may have 7 or 8 meters detecting at a given time. Yet they would never think of using the results of a music test with even 10 times that number of people... go figure.

Still, the ability to create custom demos and dayparts on very immediate data is addictive, as is being able to look at pieces of individual shows knowing the sample is "big enough" to weigh decisions on.
 
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