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Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th

To musichead1029 and other Rush advocates: The reality is Rush's days are numbered. He may to continue to host a show somewhere but the truth is, his audience is such a small, narrow range of people. His numbers continue to dwindle such that it isn't even worth talking about.

WPHT was very wise in dropping him. Looking at Rush's own real life: this is a man that has been married four times. If a man can't keep a wife is he really worth listening to? Think about this. What does he do on the air? complain, complain complain! No wonder why wives #1, #2 and #3 said, "adios" to El Rusho. Now listeners are doing the same and WPHT is coming out smelling like ROSES! Bravo for WPHT! :)
 
josh said:
To musichead1029 and other Rush advocates: The reality is Rush's days are numbered. He may to continue to host a show somewhere but the truth is, his audience is such a small, narrow range of people. His numbers continue to dwindle such that it isn't even worth talking about.
Really? Do you have a documentable source of those "dwindling" numbers handy? Because the nationwide audience estimates say he has just as many listeners if not more, than he's had in the recent past.

WPHT was very wise in dropping him.
Now listeners are [saying goodbye to Rush] and WPHT is coming out smelling like ROSES!
Frankly, in radio circles one of the trains of thought is that WPHT didn't learn from history. If you're going to drop relatively popular syndicated fare due to costs issues, have something commensurate to replace it with. WPHT didn't and doesn't. As for how PHT smells, that will be determined when Fall ratings reports come out. (It would be prudent to get a handkerchief to cover your nose.)

We all have opinions on this. Some are justifiable, others just wing it.


josh said:
If a man can't keep a wife is he really worth listening to?
Never been married, eh?

Some with experience would opine that you should never listen to anyone who hasn't been married more than once. Life experience has a tendency to temper one's disposition. And, yes, on that basis you can listen to me.
 
musichead1029 said:
josh said:
To musichead1029 and other Rush advocates: The reality is Rush's days are numbered. He may to continue to host a show somewhere but the truth is, his audience is such a small, narrow range of people. His numbers continue to dwindle such that it isn't even worth talking about.
Really? Do you have a documentable source of those "dwindling" numbers handy? Because the nationwide audience estimates say he has just as many listeners if not more, than he's had in the recent past.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/11/limbaugh/

Limbaugh obtained the largest audience during an era when audience count was made by manually filled out diaries, a practice which has been slowly phased out over the past few years, as detailed electronic tracking became available. Once the detailed tracking was available, Rush’s ratings dropped significantly, by over a third. With an estimated weekly audience of 15 million users now, that comes to an average of less than 3,000 listeners per station, not very good ratings at all. For comparison, left-wing giant Ed Schultz on Jones Radio Network sports an estimated 8,000 listeners per station. To get these numbers, we took the totals given from Talkers Magazine and cross-referenced with the number of stations that carry each show. Rush is carried on over 10x as many stations as Big Eddie. Even though Rush’s overall listenership is high, the number per station is low.

Emphasis mine.
 
musichead1029 said:
Frankly, in radio circles one of the trains of thought is that WPHT didn't learn from history. If you're going to drop relatively popular syndicated fare due to costs issues, have something commensurate to replace it with. WPHT didn't and doesn't. As for how PHT smells, that will be determined when Fall ratings reports come out. (It would be prudent to get a handkerchief to cover your nose.)

We all have opinions on this. Some are justifiable, others just wing it.

Again, CBS pays a lot less for Smerconish than they did for Limbaugh, simply because they don't have a six-digit carriage fee to pay. They also have more inventory they can sell and a host less likely to attract boycotts. Rush has always been difficult to sell locally and after all the Sandra Fluke mess it's been nigh impossible.

WPHT can pull in 1/3 of Rush's numbers with Smerconish and still make a profit.
 
josh said:
WPHT was very wise in dropping him. Looking at Rush's own real life: this is a man that has been married four times. If a man can't keep a wife is he really worth listening to? Think about this. What does he do on the air? complain, complain complain! No wonder why wives #1, #2 and #3 said, "adios" to El Rusho. Now listeners are doing the same and WPHT is coming out smelling like ROSES! Bravo for WPHT! :)

Funny so the they hire Buzz Bissinger who proudly admits on air he's on wife THREE and you applaud them. The guy also admitted on air to taking a daily cocktail of Effexor, Wellbutrin, and some other psychotropic goodies.
 
Pab Sungenis said:
{Link to bitter partisan screed posing as ratings analysis}

This is a prime example of the partisan drivel sites that you can block in your DNS log to protect those who aren't in on the "joke."

The junior typist at the addictedtocrack link gave himself up by mentioning oxycontin. Nothing says "bitter partisan crap" like mocking an addiction (Limbaugh successfully completed rehabilitation 8 years ago). Just in case the repeating yet again of the "paid caller" myth from last year didn't give it away right up front.

You'd think compulsive partisan koolaide consumers would have some sympathy for a fellow addict. And you'd be wrong.

The steno drone didn't even try very hard:

Limbaugh obtained the largest audience during an era when audience count was made by manually filled out diaries, a practice which has been slowly phased out over the past few years, as detailed electronic tracking became available. Once the detailed tracking was available, Rush’s ratings dropped significantly, by over a third. With an estimated weekly audience of 15 million users now

The estimates were off and you equate that with "losing audience?" Really?

This is why they should teach at least one middle school course in logic. It could change politics overnight.

The audience didn't drop. Nobody turned off the radio. The estimate dropped. Limbaugh's national audience was estimated by diaries at around 22 million. Turns out in the PPM age, it's more like 15M (which is still an estimate that includes diaries in smaller markets, just like the estimates for every other show). Of course 15M is still the largest audience of any radio show today and it's the same audience he's had for years. And I would imagine estimates for other shows were adjusted accordingly. So where's the audience "loss" in that? I'm sure those advertisers with the courage to expose themselves to large audiences are going ballistic that only 15M are hearing their ads!

One of the keys to Limbaugh's large audience is his large number of (willing and paying) affiliates, which apparently aren't too concerned that someone estimated that the per-station listeners on Ed Schultz's under 40 confirmable affiliates is larger than on Limbaugh's approximately 600 stations. While Limbaugh's station total has held steady despite manufactured controversy, Ed seems to be losing affiliates, so it's likely the audience estimates used for him are stale: the claim of an average 8,000 listeners per station on under 40 stations is under 320,000 listeners. That's just over 2% of Limbaugh's audience estimate. It may be because "Giant" Ed can be a bit tough to digest when his anger management techniques aren't working for him. And it explains why nobody complains when Schultz engages in his periodic ugly misogynist ranting. As with Bill Maher, there just isn't a big enough audience to matter.

Rush has always been difficult to sell locally and after all the Sandra Fluke mess it's been nigh impossible.
A lot of people keep trying to sell that meme, but Limbaugh's ratings went up for a couple of weeks surrounding the manufactured Georgetown activist kerfuffle, and other than a short term cooling off period, ads are back where they were before the Media Matters-coordinated "boycott" which consisted of a handful of political activists who never listen to Limbaugh harassing advertisers. This has been tried before against Limbaugh with the same results. It's surprising that ad buyers even pay attention to the noise. Rush's dedicated audience has always stuck with him during these charades, and the advertisers shoot themselves in the foot by pulling ads for no reason. And the activists apparently can't counter whatever it is that scares them silly about Limbaugh, so they have to try and silence him. Not that the activists have a shortage of media mouthpieces to churn out their message. Must be a weak message.

With cheap programming, PHT can afford to sell less ads post-Rush. But to generate revenue, they still have to have ratings to sell, something "Mr. Excitement" Smerconish appears to be short of.
 
musichead1029 said:
Pab Sungenis said:
{Link to bitter partisan screed posing as ratings analysis}

This is a prime example of the partisan drivel sites that you can block in your DNS log to protect those who aren't in on the "joke."

The numbers addictinginfo cited were from Talkers Magazine.

With cheap programming, PHT can afford to sell less ads post-Rush. But to generate revenue, they still have to have ratings to sell, something "Mr. Excitement" Smerconish appears to be short of.

They will still have ratings.
 
josh said:
Looking at Rush's own real life: this is a man that has been married four times. If a man can't keep a wife is he really worth listening to?

You're confusing audio fidelity with marital fidelity :D
 
No doubt, Rush has the largest weekly cume in national talk radio. Equal to the cume of seven or eight B101s or between two and three times the cume of any "one" of Clear Channel's three top rated FMs in NYC, and that is impressive, but Rush is on 600 stations.

If you look at the cume numbers for Rush affiliates in the top-50 PPM markets, you'll note that with a few exceptions, like LA and Pittsburgh, most of the stations that carry Rush are hardly stellar ratings performers in their own markets. In places like Boston and San Francisco Rush affiliates do especially poorly.

So, apparently, a large chunk of Rush's national audience is in the smaller markets, many of which aren't even diary markets.

And we have learned from the far more accurate PPM system, that some diary holders routinely exaggerate their listening to stations that favor their ethnic group, sports team, or political leanings.

At best, any "estimates" of the completely unrated audience is an educated guess.

However, in the major PPM markets, like NYC and Philly, there has been more than just cume "slippage" for Rush affiliates in recent years. ( WABC has lost about about a third of its cume) How much of that slippage is for Rush's show alone, or can be blamed on weaker dayparts, only those with full Arbitron PPM data know for sure, but there are signs that the format's overall appeal has peaked and is fading and Rush's actual audience numbers are likely following that trend.
 
musichead1029 said:
Just in case the repeating yet again of the "paid caller" myth from last year didn't give it away right up front.

Not to mention the repeating of the old barter lie. Rush's stations pay.
 
ProducerGuy said:
musichead1029 said:
Just in case the repeating yet again of the "paid caller" myth from last year didn't give it away right up front.

Not to mention the repeating of the old barter lie. Rush's stations pay.

It's not a lie. When he started out the show was given away on a purely barter basis. Now it's pay-plus-pay. The article pointed that out.
 
Pab Sungenis said:
ProducerGuy said:
musichead1029 said:
Just in case the repeating yet again of the "paid caller" myth from last year didn't give it away right up front.

Not to mention the repeating of the old barter lie. Rush's stations pay.

It's not a lie. When he started out the show was given away on a purely barter basis. Now it's pay-plus-pay. The article pointed that out.

You better read it again.

"With the more accurate ratings coming out showing that Limbaugh is only getting 15 million listeners per week, and not the millions more he once proclaimed were his, and the realization that his show is only carried on stations due to the fact that it is free, one has to wonder how big his ratings really are."

Emphasis and underlining mine. This 'article' quotes the Limbaugh current national audience numbers estimate correctly ("only" 15 million), and that's about it. That's the only reason I even addressed it earlier. The rest of the tortured conjecture is intellectually bankrupt.

If you want to make a credible point, cite a credible source. Partisan Fairy Tales do not constitute credibility.
 
I also loved this part of that "article".

If you ever listened to one of the shows distributed by Premiere, you may find yourself impressed at how a caller would bring up a subject which then the host would have a perfect response to

It's called screening. Try it sometime.

The Young Turks Cenk Uygur even made a $10,000 bet with Rush to prove his ratings, which has not yet been taken up.

You mean the guy who has to put stories about a woman that orgasms 300 times a day on his Youtube page to inflate his clicks?
 
The truth is all of Rush's calls for the first at least the first two hours of the program are hired Premiere Radio Network Staffers. Talk shows representing other radio corporations also hire Premiere's staff of professional callers. Whether you're listening to Rush, Hannity, etc., you're listening to a program that is painstakingly produced just as anything you see on television. Have you ever seen an infomercial with host Gary Trudeau? People are calling in but there's no number given for viewers to call. With Rush etc., it's nonsense that people think they are actually going to get on the air in the first two hours. He will only take a few callers for the last hour. I know as I've called numerous times and managed only to get on once and they made me wait 2 hours and 45 minutes. After that I researched and found what I am acknowledging to you. I know there are some that want to believe otherwise but this is the way it is. There is no Santa Claus.
 
Wow. Do you have proof? Do liberal talkers engage in that as well or are they as pure as the driven snow?

Seriously, I think you need to show real proof.
 
It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative talkers. Why do some conservatives feel compelled to attack liberals when their reality is shaken? Truth is, I am a conservative but that doesn't mean I blanket support everything conservatives do. Concerning Limbaugh, Hannity etc., use of paid callers, this is fact nothing more nothing less. These are shows that are rehearsed prior to airing. That is the reality.
 
I'm no fan of Limbaugh or Hannity, but I have to ask why would the top most popular radio talk shows in radio history have to pay people to call in when both shows have thousands of listeners who'd gladly hang on the phone for 2 hours and 45 minutes to get their 30 sec thought put on THEIR show? Why spend the money? I realize money is no object for these guys, but still, why do that when there are plenty of free real callers who eat, sleep, drink, etc, every word that either of those two utter. Besides, if they were using paid callers, wouldn't the audience notice the same voices after a while? The reason I ask that is I'm a fan of old time radio dramas. Many of the radio actors back then did several different shows each day on different networks even. Listen to the old shows and you'll notice familiar voices, so my point is wouldn't folks today also notice that?

Sure their monologues probably are scripted, much like a sermon at church (these guys are "secular preachers" preaching their version of Conservatism). But the caller's, I don't see the point.

I think you might want to share some of that research you claim you did.
 
Limbaugh doesn't have to pay for these callers. His employer, Premiere Radio Networks owns the paid calling service. The service is provided to all talk shows within their company. It is used to augment the ratings of the shows under their network. It's all about the ratings and the revenue. Do you really think they would allow his program to be broadcast subject to chance? If you allowed actual callers there would be people calling Limbaugh out on the carpet all the time. With his stuttering problem, his armor of invincibility would be quickly shed and his devoted ultra-conservative listeners would grow tired of their "faux John Wayne". This is the very reason that you won't see Limbaugh debate anyone. It's all an illusion.

Remember I am a conservative. It's all about being objective and recognizing a weak, Republican in name only.
 
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