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Rush to Excellence

> There are no national figures ANYWHERE in the press release.

I stand corrected. It seems I misread the Boston numbers (comparing Franken on a 10,000-watt rimshot in Framingham with Limbaugh on a 50,000-watt station in Boston proper) as national share numbers.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
Re: Premiere PR: Sun Rises in Morning

I've heard that Hannity is set to pass Rush after the Spring Books are tabulated. If this is the case, we will know very soon because the Spring books are coming out right now.

Maybe this is a preemptive strike by Premiere to offset the negative publicity that will accompany the news that there is a new top dog talk radio.

> > With the lead Rush has, shouldn't he be comparing himself
> > against his peers..because if I'm right the pillpopper is
> > falling hard and Hannity has either passed him or he is
> > getting close to passing him.....can you confirm my
> > suspicions? Rush's woes are hurting him whether Premiere
> > wants to say so or not...so its easy to kick on the little
>
> > guy....for now....
>
> I've heard that as you suspect, Sean Hannity has surpassed
> Rush as the #1 conservative talker. I honestly don't
> remember where I heard that (I think it was from another
> non-related host's show, perhaps WSB/Cox/Jones' Neal
> Boortz). Some of this is that Rush is not as dominant as he
> used to be, though he's still very, very popular. Some of
> it is that Sean Hannity airs in afternoon drive in the
> eastern U.S., and since he airs in drive on stations like
> WABC, his home base, that gives him a larger audience base
> than middays.
>
> > We also know in Miami (for example) Ed Schultz (a more
> > accurate comparison since Ed and Rush are similar) is
> > beating him demographically and that Ed is probably on him
>
> > like "white on rice".
>
> Well, like the comparison to Hannity, Ed Schultz isn't
> competing directly with Rush, either. How does Franken do
> on WINZ/940 vs. Rush on WIOD/610? How does Schultz do
> against whoever's on WIOD in afternoon drive? (If I
> remember right, it's Todd "MJ Kelli" Schnitt...)
>
> > Tom Betz is right too...theres a lot to be said for the
> > falling (60 to 48) demo for liberal radio listeners...
>
> I talked about this in another thread. It does appear that
> libtalk may have a younger audience base, but I don't know
> if there's enough evidence to support an automatic
> assumption. It all started when WLIB/NYC was surprised by
> their first book's 18-34 numbers, a demo not traditionally
> reached by talk radio. I don't know if we've got enough
> data to expand that out past one particular book.
>
> Anyway, while libtalk is certainly carving out an audience
> that wasn't expected to be there, it's still FAR too early
> in the game for Rush or Hannity to get worried about
> Franken, Schultz and Rhodes overtaking them.
>
> -OA
>
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> > Fully debunked as just another bit of mischief from the
> > right wing bloggers.
>
> Right. Right wing bloggers like the NY Daily News and the
> NYC Dept. of Investigation.
>
> Take a step back to reality, please.

Reality is calling the DOI's public information office and hearing that Air America Radio is not under any investigation. The investigation covers the individual Evan Cohen and the public officials directly involved.
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> The investigation covers the individual Evan
> Cohen and the public officials directly involved.

Yeah, right. Sort of the way the Watergate investigation covered the individual Richard Nixon.

Evan Cohen was only the CHAIRMAN OF AAR when taxpayer money was being diverted to pay Air America's bills. Sheesh.
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> Yeah, right. Sort of the way the Watergate investigation
> covered the individual Richard Nixon.

It took six or seven years to get him out.

> Evan Cohen was only the CHAIRMAN OF AAR when taxpayer money
> was being diverted to pay Air America's bills. Sheesh.

Cohen was out within weeks of the operation. If Cohen is involved, they'll go after Cohen. The Air America angle is simply more tired talking points since the ones about nobody listening and Randi Rhodes on the Run from the feds didn't work. This whole thread is a right-wing Slinky.

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It shoots lies so high in the sky
Bounce up and down just like a clown
Everyone knows its Newsmax Slinky.

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The kids will all want to lie.
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Everyone knows it's Right Wing Slinky.

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More than my share...

> Most of Franken's 67 stations are less than half the radiated power of Limbaugh's stations

But when I'm driving through central Utah and there's not another human for 40 miles in any direction I can always hear Limbaugh. I feel like I am absorbing more than my fair share of radiation.<P ID="signature">______________
• K5ZN</P>
 
Compare Big Signals to Big Signals

Progressive talkers (e.g. stations that have Schultz, Colmes, Hartmann, Air America hosts, etc.) are sometimes on low power stations, and have to power down and/or change patterns at night.

A more "insightful" way to compare *individual* Progressive show host ratings to Conservative show host ratings is to *ONLY* look at markets where the Prog and Conv affiliates cover the entire survey area, e.g. Portland...with AM 620 KPOJ 25kW/10kW, and three other conservative talkers all at 50,000 watts daytime (KEX,KXL,KPAM),

The 25-54 Portland KPOJ numbers have appeared on this forum from time to time and are very impressive for Schultz and air america hosts on this station...compared to the mostly conservative stations in town (KEX,KPAM,KXL).

In addition, local veteran liberal talkers in big markets on news/talk stations can do very well...e.g. Dave Ross in Seattle-KIRO, Bernie Ward in San Francisco-KGO...

***PORTLAND RANKINGS:

http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=494319&Board=newstalk



> > Most of Franken's 67 stations are less than half the
> radiated power of Limbaugh's stations
>
> But when I'm driving through central Utah and there's not
> another human for 40 miles in any direction I can always
> hear Limbaugh. I feel like I am absorbing more than my fair
> share of radiation.
> <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by this Tom: on 07/28/05 07:20 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Link: 2 good signals, Ed beats Rush 25-54...

Here's an example of two good signals covering Miami:

WIOD 610 5kW DA-2 with Rush (...5kW that low on the dial is a good signal than 5kW farther up the dial...)

WINZ 940 50kW/10kW DA-N with Ed

And in Spring 2005, Ed was ahead of Rush 25-54.

Another good signal to watch for Ed's ratings tomorrow with spring ratings release is progressive talk KPTK AM 1090, Seattle, 50kW DA2.

Here's Miami:

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Liberal_talk_radio_trends_ahead_of_Limbaugh_among_2554_i_0711.html<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by this Tom: on 07/28/05 07:29 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> Cohen was out within weeks of the operation. If Cohen is
> involved, they'll go after Cohen. The Air America angle is
> simply more tired talking points since the ones about nobody
> listening and Randi Rhodes on the Run from the feds didn't
> work.

You're Spintastic! Too bad Kerry lost the election or you'd surely have a job in DC. The idea that the "Air America angle is simply more tired talking points" when there's an ongoing investigation into taxpayer money was being diverted to the company is ridiculous.

If Al Franken murdered someone in his studio how many minutes would it take before you referred to that as "simply more tired talking points"?
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

>>
> If Al Franken murdered someone in his studio how many
> minutes would it take before you referred to that as "simply
> more tired talking points"?

Evan Cohen was a con man who was fired by Air America in its very early days. Blaming Air America for Cohen's actions is like blaming the Bush Administration for something Bill Clinton did when he was running the White House. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Scribbler on 07/28/05 04:57 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> You're Spintastic! Too bad Kerry lost the election or you'd
> surely have a job in DC. The idea that the "Air America
> angle is simply more tired talking points" when there's an
> ongoing investigation into taxpayer money was being diverted
> to the company is ridiculous.

What a right wing blog and Newsmax wishes to be true does not make it true, no matter how many wishes at the well you get.

The basic lie here, which anyone can learn for themselves by actually going to the source instead of the blogs, is that THERE IS NO INVESTIGATION AGAINST AIR AMERICA by any law enforcement agency in NYC. None, zero, zip, nada, nil.

Repeat after me: there is no investigation against, about, regarding Air America Radio. If the company was actually under suspicion, law enforcement would not be denying it. This is precisely the same kind of nonsense from a few months earlier when Matt Drudge was spreading around that Randi Rhodes was under investigation by the Secret Service. The blogs and Newsmax ran with it, only it was a total lie. Anyone who called the Secret Service (amazing that people will quote unnamed sources, uninvolved third parties, a hamster named Nick, but never actually call the people involved) was told quite emphatically there is, was, never has been any such investigation.

As far as Air America goes, they released a statement about this:

"On May 24, 2004, the newly formed Piquant LLC acquired the principal assets of Air America Radio from the prior ownership entities. Piquant has owned and operated Air America Radio since that time. The company that had run Air America Radio until then no longer has anything to do with the network. Piquant had no involvement whatsoever with funds from Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club. Piquant neither received nor expended any of the sums that are the subject of the city's investigation of the Club. Piquant is not being investigated by the city, which is investigating a transaction that took place before Piquant existed."

The desperation on the part of the right wing to get Air America gets more amusing every day.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by dampier on 07/28/05 05:39 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> What a right wing blog and Newsmax wishes to be true does
> not make it true,

The NY Daily News is neither a "right wing blog" or Newsmax, genius.



> The basic lie here, which anyone can learn for themselves by
> actually going to the source instead of the blogs, is that
> THERE IS NO INVESTIGATION AGAINST AIR AMERICA

The only person I see spreading that lie is you, via a strawman argument. The NYC DOI is in fact investigating Cohen and a charity (which, oddly enough, runs something called "Camp Air America") regarding whether or not they diverted taxpayer money to Air America. To continue to bleat "THERE IS NO INVESTIGATION AGAINST AIR AMERICA" is either being deliberately obtuse or deliberately dishonest, or perhaps both.
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> Evan Cohen was a con man who was fired by Air America in its
> very early days. Blaming Air America for Cohen's actions is
> like blaming the Bush Administration for something Bill
> Clinton did when he was running the White House.

That's the silliest argument so far. Cohen was chairman of the company. And he wasn't "fired" either. Assuming what the DOI is investigating turns out to be true, Cohen was committing fraud in his capacity as chairman of AAR and on behalf of the network. The idea that that somehow compares to your weak Bush/Clinton analogy is entirely without merit.
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> > Evan Cohen was a con man who was fired by Air America in
> its
> > very early days. Blaming Air America for Cohen's actions
> is
> > like blaming the Bush Administration for something Bill
> > Clinton did when he was running the White House.
>
> That's the silliest argument so far. Cohen was chairman of
> the company. And he wasn't "fired" either.

Really? Would you prefer "resigned in lieu of termination?" Same thing.

> Assuming what
> the DOI is investigating turns out to be true, Cohen was
> committing fraud in his capacity as chairman of AAR and on
> behalf of the network.

As much as I detest this sometime Republican operative and con man, you're assuming a lot. The Bush White House is also being "investigated" in the Valerie Plame Wilson outing.

> The idea that that somehow compares
> to your weak Bush/Clinton analogy is entirely without merit.
>
No, it's a good analogy. The federal government is a continuing entity, no matter who is charge. The government could have been sued after Clinton left office for something that he authorized, even though he was long gone. But would you blame the Bush Adminstration for a Clinton misdeed? I think not.
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> As much as I detest this sometime Republican operative and
> con man, you're assuming a lot.

Anyone familiar with the facts would have to laugh at your sad attempts to distance your beloved network from one of its founders. You can call him whatever names you like, the fact of the matter is that he was the chairman of the network and it appears he may have been breaking the law in order to finance AAR.



> No, it's a good analogy. The federal government is a
> continuing entity, no matter who is charge.

No, it's a lousy and rather desperate analogy, and furthermore is based on a strawman. Try again.
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> > As much as I detest this sometime Republican operative and
>
> > con man, you're assuming a lot.
>
> Anyone familiar with the facts would have to laugh at your
> sad attempts to distance your beloved network from one of
> its founders. You can call him whatever names you like, the
> fact of the matter is that he was the chairman of the
> network and it appears he may have been breaking the law in
> order to finance AAR.

It's not my "beloved network," it's the network that you love to hate. I spend more time listening to my local public radio station than AAR. And yes, Cohen was the chairman at the time and he may or may not have broken a law, although nobody seems to know what law he may have broken.

But in any case, he was the chairman of a company that no long exists and which sold its assets to the company that currently runs AAR. If I bought the assets of a failing company and didn't take on its liablilites, that would leave the liabilities for the previous owners to deal with, not me. That's apparently what happened in this case. The investigation involves Cohen and (maybe) the officers of the company that sold Air America to its new owners more than a year ago.
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> > What a right wing blog and Newsmax wishes to be true does
> > not make it true,
>
> The NY Daily News is neither a "right wing blog" or Newsmax,
> genius.

The allegations against Air America as an entity, with all the resulting spin, comes entirely from the blogs and kooky Newsmax.

> The only person I see spreading that lie is you, via a
> strawman argument. The NYC DOI is in fact investigating
> Cohen and a charity (which, oddly enough, runs something
> called "Camp Air America") regarding whether or not they
> diverted taxpayer money to Air America. To continue to
> bleat "THERE IS NO INVESTIGATION AGAINST AIR AMERICA" is
> either being deliberately obtuse or deliberately dishonest,
> or perhaps both.

Well, let's see. When you actually dig into the ACCUSATIONS, you discover the round robin or right wing blogs all pointing back and forth to each other. The radio angle comes courtesy of... wait for it... the hardly dispassionate Radio Equalizer who claims to be impartial (like Attila the Hun), who has emptied his whole box of crayons trying to draw lines between the group that diverted funds and Air America Radio.

To this end, the bloggers have decided that since there is a camp called Air America Camp and that two Air America hosts once helped raise money on their show for the Boys & Girls Club (how dare they), the whole network is embroiled in scandal.

Then we discover that the same guy that was the CEO for Air America for less than a month turns out to be the real center of the issue. He's been gone for more than a year now, and his parting was sorrowful for him but not for Air America.

Now here comes the truth, and you can dangle the shiny keys of distraction all you want, but nothing changes them.

Evan Cohen and the Boys and Girls Club (and entities within that organization) are being investigated by the DOI. Air America Radio is not in any way being investigated. That comes straight from the DOI.

Evan Cohen is not Air America Radio. The Boys and Girls Club is not Air America Radio. Even the Air America Camp is not Air America Radio.

Anyone reading the blogs and even the "Equalizer's" column clearly can see the taffy pull going on in order to stretch Cohen and city officials into also including Air America Radio as being deeply involved and guilty. This is the usual tired trick of amplifying and twisting original media reports into bizarro allegations and hit pieces, all while hiding under the credibility of real journalists and newspapers when folks realize they are being taken for a ride.

But then, all you have done is read messages. I haven't seen any effort at fact finding, just a desperate attempt to salvage the credibility of those who have, once again, overreached in their ongoing efforts to undermine Air America. Nice try.
 
> The Rush Limbaugh show is garnering high ratings nationally
> verses Air America's hosts. Here's the link:
>
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stori> es.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-25-2005/0004074439&EDATE=
>

Before anyone reads this and gets their panties in a wad, It should be noted that this is a PRESS RELEASE by Premier. It is not a "news item".<P ID="signature">______________
Leonard Lawrence</P>
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> The allegations against Air America as an entity, with all
> the resulting spin, comes entirely from the blogs and kooky
> Newsmax.

There are no allegations against Air America "as an entity" except in your imagination. That's a strawman served up by you to deflect from the serious nature of a situation where a radio network CEO is possibly committing fraud and using taxpayer money to fund his company.




> Well, let's see. When you actually dig into the
> ACCUSATIONS, you discover the round robin or right wing
> blogs all pointing back and forth to each other.

If you say so. I read the story in the Daily News.



> Club (how dare they), the whole network is embroiled in
> scandal.

If AAR wasn't involved they wouldn't be issuing press statements about it. The man at the center of the investigation was head of AAR at the time of the alleged "loan" from taxpayers, and it was used to fund AAR. If you think that AAR is somehow absolved from criticism because the guy is no longer head of the company, you are blinded by ideology.




> Now here comes the truth, and you can dangle the shiny keys
> of distraction all you want, but nothing changes them.

It's hard to take you seriously if you're just mouthing the platitudes and catchphrases of your betters.
 
Re: AAR Public Relations Dept

> It's not my "beloved network," it's the network that you
> love to hate.

Actually, it's a network that I am basically ambivalent about. I neither "hate" it, nor "love to hate it" as you so cliche-ly put it.



> public radio station than AAR. And yes, Cohen was the
> chairman at the time and he may or may not have broken a
> law, although nobody seems to know what law he may have
> broken.

And that is significant and does reflect on AAR. To think otherwise is to be ideologically blinded.

Although that is hardly anything new around here, considering how often one has to wade through semi-literate political rants in order to find radio related content.
 
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