Russ Martin is innocent until proven guilty

[P1RadioListener]

I'm just curious to know why people are laying the hypocrite here with regards to Russ Martin?

I don't and never have liked him - I'll say that.

But isn't it striking that people will jump all over Joe Citizen on the news when he steals an ATM, molests a kid or shoots a cop. Then it's time "to hang them or throw away the key."

But Russ gets a pass, right?

Hypocrites.

I couldn't agree more

 

[WheredidMergeGo]

I'm just curious to know why people are laying the hypocrite here with regards to Russ Martin?

I don't and never have liked him - I'll say that.

But isn't it striking that people will jump all over Joe Citizen on the news when he steals an ATM, molests a kid or shoots a cop. Then it's time "to hang them or throw away the key."

But Russ gets a pass, right?

Hypocrites.

No one said he gets a free pass - but if you mistake a free pass for due process then so be it.

He deserves to at least to tell his side of the story and go though the legal process - even though you don't like him and never had - he is entitled to that at least - right?

My point is he is at LEAST entitled to due process and the other side of the story - it could be total krap but the fact is at this point NO ONE KNOWS - just one side of the story has come out.

And sorry dude - but it's just irresponsible, asanine and immature to even begin to compare this situation (as bad as it may turn out) to a "child molester or cop killer"

Get a grip...

 

[P1RadioListener]

He hit a girl, unless he hit her in self defense it doesn't matter what his reason was,

 

[mistabrad]

I'm just curious to know why people are laying the hypocrite here with regards to Russ Martin?

I don't and never have liked him - I'll say that.

But isn't it striking that people will jump all over Joe Citizen on the news when he steals an ATM, molests a kid or shoots a cop. Then it's time "to hang them or throw away the key."

But Russ gets a pass, right?

Hypocrites.

No one said he gets a free pass - but if you mistake a free pass for due process then so be it.

He deserves to at least to tell his side of the story and go though the legal process - even though you don't like him and never had - he is entitled to that at least - right?

My point is he is at LEAST entitled to due process and the other side of the story - it could be total krap but the fact is at this point NO ONE KNOWS - just one side of the story has come out.

And sorry dude - but it's just irresponsible, asanine and immature to even begin to compare this situation (as bad as it may turn out) to a "child molester or cop killer"

Get a grip...

I don't think it's "irresponsible, asinine, and immature" to make the point that we, as a society, have NO PROBLEM branding child molesters and cop killers as guilty without hearing THEIR sides of the story, but that when it comes to Russ, we don't want to believe he did anything wrong so we wait until we hear his side of the story. That, I believe, was the original poster's point.

That said, hitting a woman, or brandishing a weapon at her? Sorry, but to me that's not exactly a minor offense anyway.

 

[WheredidMergeGo]

I don't think it's "irresponsible, asinine, and immature" to make the point that we, as a society, have NO PROBLEM branding child molesters and cop killers as guilty without hearing THEIR sides of the story, but that when it comes to Russ, we don't want to believe he did anything wrong so we wait until we hear his side of the story. That, I believe, was the original poster's point.

That said, hitting a woman, or brandishing a weapon at her? Sorry, but to me that's not exactly a minor offense anyway.

I didn't see his point as you stated it - but you make a good point.

But then you miss my point - I never said it was a minor offense if the allegations are true - my point is they are just allegations at this point but everyone is stating it as fact.

And P1Radio....
You are a shinning example of the point I am trying to make - you state "he hit a girl" - no - he has been accused and you follow that up with
"unless it's in self defense it dosen't matter what the reason" - so you're saying IF it were in self defense then it WAS ok or somehow defendable?(not saying I even begin to agree).

Well if you really think that - then wouldn't it stand to reason to wait to see the other side of the story? Your logic would suggest yes? Does it not? So which is it?

Either you have already made up your mind based on one side of the story or you think there may be more to the story and are reserving judgement?

 

[TooUglyForTV]

You know, I love the idea that everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

However, Mr. Martin has rarely ever given anyone accused of a crime that courtesy on his show. The examples are numerous, but I'll just name one: Chante Mallard. Obviously, Chante Mallard was guilty as ---- for running over that dude. However, she wasn't "officially" found guilty by a court over one and a half years after the incident. Lack of a conviction didn't stop Mr. Martin from not only finding her guilty in the court of public opinion, but going so far as to write a Christmas song about her.

[EDIT-profanity]

As for Mr. Martin, let's see how he likes the taste of his own medicine. It's a shame he can't get stuck with a public defender like the people he mocks, but I guess that wouldn't be very sporting, would it?

And if he gets off, then I'm calling Tim Powers the next time I have to draw down on a woman.

 

[Lowly Board OP]

If all this plays out against Russ, it will be just a waste of what could have been an extrodanary talent, no matter what the out come he will never be able have a show like he had before. I do have to say that with all that has happened it has made that last show of his very ironic!

To me a very underlining sad part of all this is how many jobs that will be affected (and lost) because of one mans stupidity.

 

[JustSomeGuy1]

That is the standard to determine if he goes to jail or not.

It is not the standard required to not listen to his radio show, or to no longer employ him to do a radio show.

From what I have seen and given the parties involved, I have enough information to convince me I need not bother ever listening to him do radio again.

I don't need him to be proven guilty in a court of law for that, nor does he deserve that nor has he earned that level of regard.

I would say in fact his behavior and talk on the radio for the past 20 years makes all this all the less palatable. If you are going to actually joking around about abusing women, you better have the squeakiest clean life in that regards that anyone has seen.

Joking about it and then doing it make you look like you are less than human.

I totally agree. Based off what I've seen said. Russ is guilty and should not be tried. No one should be tried when accusations are this bad. Remember the duke lacross players and coach out of a job who had their lives and finances crushed. Serves them right after the horrible things that were said about them by that poor girl.

Point being... Yur post is ignorant of reality and fairness in a world where crazy people make false accusations to cops every day.

I don't think this looks good for russ (and his show irritates me) but I'm not naieve enough to pass judgement before hearing both sides.

Hope if you or ur family are ever falsly accused of anything u don't depend on people like u for ur livelyhood. I'm not saying he is falsely accused but anyone could be. Let's hear what they say and be ready with our condemnation speeches. Now is not the time.

 

[JustSomeGuy1]

By the way Comparing this case to cases with different evidence is silly. i.e. unrelated witnesses, police witnesses, video surveillance, toxicology tests, confessions, bodies lodged in your windshiedl ... etc.

In those cases I don't blame people for drawing harsher conclusions before the trial date, or being upset when the trial gets it wrong. This case "so far" is just one persons story, with no other witnesses save Martin who has not released a statement. .... we're waiting..

I'm curious if Russ has ever publicly prosecuted someone when there was not overwhelming evidence, or a confession to police, such as the case with Chante Mallard.

Also, that song may have been the funniest thing ever to come out of his show... and I'm going to hell for thinking that.

 

[DToTheJ]

Based off what I've seen said. Russ is guilty and should not be tried. No one should be tried when accusations are this bad. Remember the duke lacross players and coach out of a job who had their lives and finances crushed. Serves them right after the horrible things that were said about them by that poor girl.

On the other hand, you have Kobe Bryant, who was involved in that rape case in Eagle County, Colorado some years ago... but in this case, the victim's side of the story turned out to be a little shady, and Kobe walked.

 

[JustSomeGuy1]

Based off what I've seen said. Russ is guilty and should not be tried. No one should be tried when accusations are this bad. Remember the duke lacross players and coach out of a job who had their lives and finances crushed. Serves them right after the horrible things that were said about them by that poor girl.

On the other hand, you have Kobe Bryant, who was involved in that rape case in Eagle County, Colorado some years ago... but in this case, the victim's side of the story turned out to be a little shady, and Kobe walked.

It's late, so I'm not sure if you got that I was being sarcastic? All charges were dropped against the Lacross players, the girl kept changing and after she said she was raped by 3 players, they found no DNA. I believe she finally admitted it was a lie and they were considering, or did bring her up on charges. The DA prosecuting the case against the guys has been or is facing disbarment. All due to this chics total B.S. lie. Those innocent boys, and that coach and the families of those students and the coach had their lives totally ruined by this lie.

It is a well known fact that many women wrongly accuse their spouses of abuse. According to some, in California divorce lawyers advise husbands to leave immediately before filing the divorce and have no unsupervised contact with their soon to be spouses due to it becoming such a common practice for women to file abuse cases before going into divorce proceedings, sometimes at the encouragement of their lawyers.

Again, I'm not saying this is the case with Russ and "Amy" but....

just to play devils advocate.....

Hypothetically.... If a woman was with Russ, .. and they wanted to REALLY REALLY SCREW WITH HIM...(who could imagine why?) get him arrested, fired, humiliated, ruined professionally basically run out of town on a rail and cost him $???????...

well...

making up a story like this would certainly be a way to do it.... as we are seeing.

Course he may deserve every bit of it.. but it bares some consideration until we hear his side of the story, or better, the unreleased / missing? "audio tape".

Again, comdeming this guy, wanting him fired, and concluding he's guilty and doesn't deserve trial based on just one woman's statement is EXTREMELY naieve.

 

[evening times]

Russ is going to walk, there is no doubt in my mind about that. Like someone said earlier, he is rich, but I believe the damage is done. I hope he never gets back on the radio. And then there is that pesky IRS thing. Someone on the Unfair Park comments is starting a nasty rumor that it involves his foundation.

 

[mtater98]

I really think this is going to be a he said she said and whoever has the best lawyer will win or some recording.

I know if I was Tim Powers, my defense would be where is the tapped recording?

She didn't report it till the next day. You have a time period of how many hours before the incident was reported.

She could of had someone pull her hair out and kick her thigh in that time period and make the story up.

She is going after RM money.

I'm not on either side of Russ or Amy but this is what is going to be thrown out there.

 

[tah]

I really think this is going to be a he said she said and whoever has the best lawyer will win or some recording.

I know if I was Tim Powers, my defense would be where is the tapped recording?

She didn't report it till the next day. You have a time period of how many hours before the incident was reported.

She could of had someone pull her hair out and kick her thigh in that time period and make the story up.

She is going after RM money.

I'm not on either side of Russ or Amy but this is what is going to be thrown out there.

The incident happened late on the evening of July 14th (21:30 = 9:30 pm) and the affidavit states the incident was reported to police on the 14th. Various media outlets have gotten the reporting date wrong.

Therefore, the basis of your arguement is invalid.

 

[Lucli]

I totally agree. Based off what I've seen said. Russ is guilty and should not be tried. No one should be tried when accusations are this bad.

Hahaha. Really? I'm sorry but that is one of the silliest things I've ever read, that an accused person shouldn't get a trail. REALLY? You actually believe in that sort of justice system in the United States? REALLY?

I listen to Russ, I will not anymore until these charges go thru the normal justice process. If he pleads guilty, no contest or is found guilty I won't listen to him anymore. But he shouldn't be afforded the right that every American citizen is entitled to? Bwhwhahaha. Really that's awesome, totally awesome. Thanks for the chuckle.

 

[radiowise]

Re: Russ Martin is innocent until proven guilty, but the pictures tell the story

Amazing! What part of bruises on the body, pulled out hair and throwing a woman up against the wall don't you understand?

There will be photos of her bruises, taken by the police when she filed the report. If it isn't plea bargained out, Martin is toast and might be spending some jail cell time with "Tyrone".

There are a lot of people blogging who don't seem to know much about assaults. They want to defend Martin because he's in radio. Being in radio doesn't excuse brutality.

He will never return to radio in the DFW area. That one moment - and prior abusive episodes - were his undoing.

CBS would be crazy to let him back on the air. If they do, it's like them saying that they condone wife or girlfiend beating.

I am surpised that women's abuse groups haven't already picketed the studios. THAT is what CBS fears. THAT is one reason he'll never return.

 

[jasonzbtzl]

I totally agree. Based off what I've seen said. Russ is guilty and should not be tried. No one should be tried when accusations are this bad.

Hahaha. Really? I'm sorry but that is one of the silliest things I've ever read, that an accused person shouldn't get a trail. REALLY? You actually believe in that sort of justice system in the United States? REALLY?

I listen to Russ, I will not anymore until these charges go thru the normal justice process. If he pleads guilty, no contest or is found guilty I won't listen to him anymore. But he shouldn't be afforded the right that every American citizen is entitled to? Bwhwhahaha. Really that's awesome, totally awesome. Thanks for the chuckle.

I agree with Lucli, F the justice system lets just start huntin us some witches!!!! There's bound to be some out there, hey there's one now, "uuhh that's a doctor", I don't care!! she's guilty, did you see what she can do, she can stop the fever, she has to be evil!!! The accusations are so bad, who cares if they are true, burn her!!

 

[Lucli]

Re: Russ Martin is innocent until proven guilty, but the pictures tell the story

Amazing! What part of bruises on the body, pulled out hair and throwing a woman up against the wall don't you understand?

There will be photos of her bruises, taken by the police when she filed the report. If it isn't plea bargained out, Martin is toast and might be spending some jail cell time with "Tyrone".

There are a lot of people blogging who don't seem to know much about assaults. They want to defend Martin because he's in radio. Being in radio doesn't excuse brutality.

He will never return to radio in the DFW area. That one moment - and prior abusive episodes - were his undoing.

CBS would be crazy to let him back on the air. If they do, it's like them saying that they condone wife or girlfiend beating.

I am surpised that women's abuse groups haven't already picketed the studios. THAT is what CBS fears. THAT is one reason he'll never return.

I agree the pictures of the hair pulling and bruises will be the most damning thing. Also I'm curious if the police issued a search warrant on the house to photograph the room where the fight occured.

 

[jasonzbtzl]

Lucli, there's a lot of questioned that still need answering, like you said, search warrants, where's the mystery tape she "recorded", were the cameras recording in Russes house that he said he had all over the house. ???

I am never one for attacking the alleged victim, but in this day and age, with the amount of money that stands to change hands and the nature of the people involved, going into it without a healthy dose of skepticism and due process is foolish.

You have to realize, that if the talk is true, she was more or less completely dependent on Russ, if she determined that her "lifestyle" was going to change for the lesser if she left him, she would need to establish an "escape" plan.

Along with what most have said though, if it is determined that Russ did these thing as described, I will be done with him, it's just that simple! , but I reserve the right to see how it all plays out and see all sides, because remember at this point only one side's story has been put forth.

 

[JustSomeGuy1]

I totally agree. Based off what I've seen said. Russ is guilty and should not be tried. No one should be tried when accusations are this bad.

Hahaha. Really? I'm sorry but that is one of the silliest things I've ever read, that an accused person shouldn't get a trail. REALLY? You actually believe in that sort of justice system in the United States? REALLY?

Thanks for the chuckle.

If you want the chuckle dear read the rest of my post .. that was sarcasim.