Russ Martin's Return

[BossJock1947]

Re: Russ faces 20 years in prison - if convicted

[If convicted, he faces 20 years in prison.

I already said that last week. The punishment for a 2nd degree felony in the state of Texas calls for a term of no less than 2 and no more than 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $50,000.

He'll get out of it. He's a high profiled personality that supports the police.

He'll get out of it.

Maybe not if he has a JURY. I would think most females would find him guilty just by judging him on his past.

Most clear thinking people would figure out what a freak russ martin is. The way he brags about pushing around women true or not will not sit well with women.

 

[tifchase]

What part of his past do you think would be admissible? How do you know how this will sit with women and how we would judge him? Ya know, I absolutely adore when men try to tell me what to think. Tell me, what else do women think??

 

[RussFan]

Re: Russ faces 20 years in prison - if convicted

He'll get out of it.

Maybe not if he has a JURY. I would think most females would find him guilty just by judging him on his past.

Most clear thinking people would figure out what a freak russ martin is. The way he brags about pushing around women true or not will not sit well with women.

Whoa! So do you expect the jury to base thier verdict on his on-air comments or on the facts and evidence surrounding the case? Is this the aggrevated assault case we're talking about or the 'Clean Humor vs. Russ Martin' case?

This is so ironic. In the Bit vs Reality discussions, those who thought it was a bit were chastised because they apparently had no faculties for discerning real life from make-believe. The tables have turned, and those who hate Russ cannot fathom that his on-air personality may actually be different than the real Russ.

 

[tifchase]

Re: Russ faces 20 years in prison - if convicted

He'll get out of it.

Maybe not if he has a JURY. I would think most females would find him guilty just by judging him on his past.

Most clear thinking people would figure out what a freak russ martin is. The way he brags about pushing around women true or not will not sit well with women.

Whoa! So do you expect the jury to base thier verdict on his on-air comments or on the facts and evidence surrounding the case? Is this the aggrevated assault case we're talking about or the 'Clean Humor vs. Russ Martin' case?

This is so ironic. In the Bit vs Reality discussions, those who thought it was a bit were chastised because they apparently had no faculties for discerning real life from make-believe. The tables have turned, and those who hate Russ cannot fathom that his on-air personality may actually be different than the real Russ.

BRAVO!!!!!! Job well done!!!!

 

[little1]

Re: Russ faces 20 years in prison - if convicted

This is so ironic. In the Bit vs Reality discussions, those who thought it was a bit were chastised because they apparently had no faculties for discerning real life from make-believe. The tables have turned, and those who hate Russ cannot fathom that his on-air personality may actually be different than the real Russ.

The real russ may be different that the on-air Russ. The problem here seems to be that the on-air Russ seems very dismissive toward women, has supposedly made jokes about slapping them around, etc etc.

And the real life Russ is being charged with exactly the same thing.

Doesn't that make it extremely hard to seperate real Russ from on-air Russ?

Or to put it another way, you guys seem to be saying that the tempermental, screaming&yelling Russ is all 'a bit'. So why wasn't Amy/Mandy in on this 'bit' at his house? If this is a bit, and he's REALLY facing felony charges, hasn't it kind of gotten out of hand?

You guys are right, he MAY be totally different off-air than he is on-air. The problem that he has right know is that somehow, someway, there's been "crossover". His on-air 'I'm gonna kick your ass" schtick has been reported to the cops, the DA, etc as being from real Russ, not on-air Russ.

 

[redbullfan]

Someone did not even consider my screen name had to do with the Energy Drink Redbull. I got my idea from the Energy Drink that came from Austria and was actually the first Energy Drink I ever drank back in 1998.

Congrats little1, I couldn't have said it better myself! Bravo about the "Cross-Over." He became what he often spewed on-air...if you say something enough you will become it and believe and act that way. If you look at porn enough you will feel more like a pervert, if you listen enough to the evil of Marilyn Manson you will eventually be desensitized to the messages in the songs...so on and so forth. Filth in one ear and filth back out the ear or mouth.

Russ Fan and tifchase...
First tifchase: Hmmm...how blind and stupid can you be...his private life just morphed into his on-air persona...or was it always that way and he was just putting on an act. Tarrant County DA will convict him knowing their track record and then Russ will spend some time in the Pen for his violence. Well by reading your 2nd to last post you mention your a woman. Here is a question: If you really think Russ is Innocent would you feel safe moving in with him? Hmmm

RussFan: For once you said something half way correct. The case should not lean on his On-Air talk, but the evidence in the case. This is where we strongly disagree...The evidence speaks for itself and it is overwhelmingly proves Russ is guilty. God would almost have the part the Red Sea again so Russ could come out clean here.

 

[tifchase]

I would feel completely safe living with Russ. I would have no concerns what so ever. Actually I am closely connected to a female that deals with Russ on a very regular basis. She doesn't question her safety around him and neither do I.

Also, I'd prefer it if you don't call me names. I haven't treated you that way and I don't expect you to treat me that way. You can disagree without being disrespectful. I'd appreciate it if you could give it a try. Thanks!!

 

[tah]

Re: Russ faces 20 years in prison - if convicted

He'll get out of it.

Maybe not if he has a JURY. I would think most females would find him guilty just by judging him on his past.

Most clear thinking people would figure out what a freak russ martin is. The way he brags about pushing around women true or not will not sit well with women.

Whoa! So do you expect the jury to base thier verdict on his on-air comments or on the facts and evidence surrounding the case? Is this the aggrevated assault case we're talking about or the 'Clean Humor vs. Russ Martin' case?

This is so ironic. In the Bit vs Reality discussions, those who thought it was a bit were chastised because they apparently had no faculties for discerning real life from make-believe. The tables have turned, and those who hate Russ cannot fathom that his on-air personality may actually be different than the real Russ.

Actually, the jury will be expected to base their verdict on the case presented to them. That means that the prosecuter will do every thing he or she can to present the absolute worst side of Mr. Martin within the judge's limts. This would include trying to get as many women on the jury as possible. You should expect to hear about other times Mr. Martin allegedly verbally assaulted other people. If they can find verifiable physical confrontations that will a big point in the prosecution's favor. Yeah, the evidence will come up but that is a small part of the whole "package", if you will.

On the other hand, the defense has to be very careful with Amy. His attorney will need a delicate hand when cross examining her. It wouldn't look good if she was verbally assaulted by the defense. I'm sure her background will come into play as well. The defense will try to load the jury with RMS fans.

This would be a good one for court tv ;D

 

[dfwyall]

I would really love it if he got a woman judge...TOAST

 

[marksman]

I would feel completely safe living with Russ. I would have no concerns what so ever. Actually I am closely connected to a female that deals with Russ on a very regular basis. She doesn't question her safety around him and neither do I.

I suspect neither one of you are dating him.

Perhaps you need to spend a few hours researching spousal/domestic abuse.

 

[elokiddy]

I was about to say, domestic abuse isn't about a dude smacking any woman that comes near him; it's him smacking one around that he's intimate with in a relationship.
Or so Judge Judy told me.

 

[dfwyall]

Tiffchase is not a woman..it's one of russ' cronies..either trey or gavin..wait, strike the not a woman part

 

[tifchase]

Someone asked me if I would feel safe around Russ and that's why I said what I did. No neither of us are dating Russ. That would be odd as he was engaged only a couple of weeks ago.


I have dealt with domestic violence first hand. I had my abuser arrested immediately, like within 5 mins. The cops came right away and invited him to spend the night in their lovely jail.


I really like how everyone thinks they know who I am. You guys are soooooo off the mark it is laughable!

 

[RussFan]

Re: Russ faces 20 years in prison - if convicted

Actually, the jury will be expected to base their verdict on the case presented to them. That means that the prosecuter will do every thing he or she can to present the absolute worst side of Mr. Martin within the judge's limts. This would include trying to get as many women on the jury as possible. You should expect to hear about other times Mr. Martin allegedly verbally assaulted other people. If they can find verifiable physical confrontations that will a big point in the prosecution's favor. Yeah, the evidence will come up but that is a small part of the whole "package", if you will.

One side or the other (or both) is likely to present the definition of the charge as it appears in the law:
http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.005.00.000022.00.htm#22.02.00

Then, each will present in no uncertain terms how the evidence fulfills the conditions of the offense or where reasonable doubt exists. There is a big difference between showing that Russ is likely to commit such an act based on his character and proving that Russ did commit such an act.

I'm not sure, but a plea might reduce charges from an aggravated assault (Sec. 22.02) to just assault (Sec. 22.01). This would reduce possible punishment from 2-20 years and up to $10k fine (Sec. 12.33) to 0-1 years and/or up to $4k (Sec. 12.21): http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.003.00.000012.00.htm

 

[MisterRadio]

Re: The Return of Russ Martin

Mister, I agree in this case, you're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not public opinion. What seems to get alot of folks is the fact his "fanbase", as well as that of other celebs seem to turn a blind eye to their public indescretions. Im of the belief that if you are in the public eye, you have a much larger responsibility to fly right and act straight.

You're right. There is a difference between a court of law and the court of public opinion. The difference is a court of law has to deal with the actual facts of the case whereas the court of public opinion deals with rumor and innuendo and snaps to judgements based on really nothing concrete or varified (I know, courts of law get it wrong sometimes too, but that is another thread for a another board). I just prefer to give the man a chance myself before I throw him in the dungeon. I wasn't there, I don't know what happened. I seen people ruined before because of something they didn't do but because the allegations were so awful that everybody still thought he was guilty by association. I'm not gonna play that way.

 

[marksman]

Tiffchase is not a woman..it's one of russ' cronies..either trey or gavin..wait, strike the not a woman part

Since he claims to be a victim of Domestic Abuse, I choose Trey.

 

[stithunder]

I just find it too rich that most of you that are supporting Russ Martin are blaming the victim. If she would have left this wouldn't of happend, well at least this time what about next time or the time after that? If he was such an upstanding person then why would he have to lay a hand on her or even pull out his pistol which is a very big no...no since he has a CHL and should know when deadly force is nessarcy.

But of course you might say that she described the Glock wrong and therefore she is lieing and making it up... Well I say to you that she probably is a novice to pistols and weapons in general, so when she says he pulled the hammer back she could be meaning the slide, and if that is the case he rack a round in the chamber and had every intention in using it.

You say let the courts judge him then make your opinion, I say if he hadn't done this in the 1st place there would be no reason to judge and be appald, plus it makes it hard not to judge when you have an officer concure the injuries are consistant with what could have happend. But there are a few of you that are going to say, but she waited to the next day... well that is true but how many victims report the same day on DV or rape?

 

[Jimbo Ellis]

I just find it too rich that most of you that are supporting Russ Martin are blaming the victim. If she would have left this wouldn't of happend, well at least this time what about next time or the time after that? If he was such an upstanding person then why would he have to lay a hand on her or even pull out his pistol which is a very big no...no since he has a CHL and should know when deadly force is nessarcy.

But of course you might say that she described the Glock wrong and therefore she is lieing and making it up... Well I say to you that she probably is a novice to pistols and weapons in general, so when she says he pulled the hammer back she could be meaning the slide, and if that is the case he rack a round in the chamber and had every intention in using it.

You say let the courts judge him then make your opinion, I say if he hadn't done this in the 1st place there would be no reason to judge and be appald, plus it makes it hard not to judge when you have an officer concure the injuries are consistant with what could have happend. But there are a few of you that are going to say, but she waited to the next day... well that is true but how many victims report the same day on DV or rape?

Spell check anyone?

 

[stithunder]

Spell check anyone?

Here you go,

I just find it too rich that most of you that are supporting Russ Martin are blaming the victim. If she would have left this wouldn't of happened, well at least this time what about next time or the time after that? If he was such an upstanding person then why would he have to lay a hand on her or even pull out his pistol which is a very big no...no since he has a CHL and should know when deadly force is necessary.

But of course you might say that she described the Glock wrong and therefore she is lying and making it up... Well I say to you that she probably is a novice to pistols and weapons in general, so when she says he pulled the hammer back she could be meaning the slide, and if that is the case he rack a round in the chamber and had every intention in using it.

You say let the courts judge him then make your opinion, I say if he hadn't done this in the 1st place there would be no reason to judge and be appalled, plus it makes it hard not to judge when you have an officer concurred the injuries are consistent with what could have happened. But there are a few of you that are going to say, but she waited to the next day... well that is true but how many victims report the same day on DV or rape?

Thats all you have to say.....

 

[aunti-terrestrial]

I was about to say, domestic abuse isn't about a dude smacking any woman that comes near him; it's him smacking one around that he's intimate with in a relationship.

Correct.