Pretty amazing that if you look at the most recent ratings country leads the pack in Allentown, PA. Last I checked not too far west of NYC. 70 miles or so via I-78? Hartford CT it ranks in the top 4 or so as well. Boston too. I think that the constant naysayers need to just admit that Country music is indeed hot, and acceptable, and will end up back in NYC. If not getting huge ratings is the issue, than what would be proposed to get gangbuster ratings?
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Name one suburb that has had one...that is WELL run by it's owners... NONE in the last few years.
A station that is well run, with sales people that don't go by stereotype would do just fine. Not gangbusters, but enough revenue to keep it in the City.
The listeners are there. I got emails and calls constantly from New Yorkers while in both Allentown, PA and in NJ.
Times have changed. And the crossover artists make up about a 1/4th of the artists played, but 2 are core artists in the format.
A station that is well run, with sales people that don't go by stereotype would do just fine. Not gangbusters, but enough revenue to keep it in the City.
The listeners are there. I got emails and calls constantly from New Yorkers while in both Allentown, PA and in NJ.
Times have changed. And the crossover artists make up about a 1/4th of the artists played, but 2 are core artists in the format.
Allentown, PA is NOT New York City. Not even close. 70 miles makes a world of difference.
And whether or not the suburban stations were well run or not, the fact is that listeners did not embrace those stations. If it really was "about the music" you would think that they would have. And it wasn't the salespeople that did the stations in. The ratings were low. In a metropolitan area of 18 million, it may seem that there's tons of fans for everything, including country, but there's so many more formats that have *more* listeners. Two crossover artists just aren't indicative of the success of a full 24-7 format that would mostly be non-crossover.
And whether or not the suburban stations were well run or not, the fact is that listeners did not embrace those stations. If it really was "about the music" you would think that they would have. And it wasn't the salespeople that did the stations in. The ratings were low. In a metropolitan area of 18 million, it may seem that there's tons of fans for everything, including country, but there's so many more formats that have *more* listeners. Two crossover artists just aren't indicative of the success of a full 24-7 format that would mostly be non-crossover.
Country can work in the NY market-----but do not place the country tag on it!!!!!Today's country is closer to 70's and 80's pop.Lots of girls in my daughter's class at Shulamith high school in midwood love taylor swift,like rascal flatts but do not realize what country is.My daughter is almost 15 and can't wait for country to come back to regular FM.Right know I'm listening to 106.7 coast country online from cape may----we also have a HD radio, but we need the real thing.WKTU HD2 is erratic in their playlist and several weeks ago played stuff that never saw the charts by artists that were unknown.
Countryspitfire said:
K-98.5, WKMK-FM in Toms River, NJ (Ocean County), is a very well executed, clean, pop-sounding, and local country station that is doing fairly well.
neo11 said:
Not exactly. Given the enormous geography of the NYC metro area, both Allentown PA and Toms River NJ can be considered extentions of the NYC area. Many people who live in both the Lehigh Valley and the Jersey Shore/Ocean County work in NYC or are originally from NYC. Ever heard of urban sprawl? What was a "world of difference" mearly 25-30 years ago doesn't necessarily hold true today.
NJMike said:
First off WKMK is licensed to Ocean Acres which is about 20+ miles SOUTH of Toms River which in most cases would hinder their Class A signal from getting out but they're far enough away from 'FPG and 'RKS to get out there. It's safe to say that while there is *some urban sprawl* MOST people in the prime coverage area of WKMK are NOT commuters to NYC ie: the Burlington-Ocean county area. By my calculations this station is 60 to 80 miles away from NYC and situated amongst the Pinelands which demographically is like comparing a bull to a frog so I don't see how your argument can apply to NYC proper just based on the fact that it pulls a 2.3 at the shore. Secondly EVERY Radio Group is being affected by the current disarray in the economy and Press Comm is one specific example of ONE station keeping the cluster afloat... In about 3 months we can revisit this topic and see just how well they are doing THEN ???
I'm ALL for a new station in NYC to replace the ailing WRXP but I'm not so sure that "country" is the answer. I have noted previously that I think another company should give "Soft AC" a go. Considering the the pie for AC is already shared by Lite and Fresh, a Soft AC would be different enough and still atrract a desirable demo for what has been called a "background format." The return of CBS-FM has proven that its reappearance was probably one of the greatest radio decisions in the NYC area in a long time and it has had a fairly strong showing in the recent books but all that comes with one hell of a price-tag. Granted Soft AC is a "niche" format but IMO it would have greater appeal than country...audience and demo-wise and be fairly cost-effective to run. If they need help they can ask CC how they fornicate pennies to make more... :
Will we EVER know?? Who knows but I never thought I would say it but my satellite radio was the BEST investment! Music "I" want to hear in abundant supply is worth EVERY dollar spent!!
can the city of new york sue a consulting firm?
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Radio411 said:NJMike said:
First off WKMK is licensed to Ocean Acres which is about 20+ miles SOUTH of Toms River which in most cases would hinder their Class A signal from getting out but they're far enough away from 'FPG and 'RKS to get out there. It's safe to say that while there is *some urban sprawl* MOST people in the prime coverage area of WKMK are NOT commuters to NYC ie: the Burlington-Ocean county area. By my calculations this station is 60 to 80 miles away from NYC and situated amongst the Pinelands which demographically is like comparing a bull to a frog so I don't see how your argument can apply to NYC proper just based on the fact that it pulls a 2.3 at the shore. Secondly EVERY Radio Group is being affected by the current disarray in the economy and Press Comm is one specific example of ONE station keeping the cluster afloat... In about 3 months we can revisit this topic and see just how well they are doing THEN ???
I'm ALL for a new station in NYC to replace the ailing WRXP but I'm not so sure that "country" is the answer. I have noted previously that I think another company should give "Soft AC" a go. Considering the the pie for AC is already shared by Lite and Fresh, a Soft AC would be different enough and still atrract a desirable demo for what has been called a "background format." The return of CBS-FM has proven that its reappearance was probably one of the greatest radio decisions in the NYC area in a long time and it has had a fairly strong showing in the recent books but all that comes with one hell of a price-tag. Granted Soft AC is a "niche" format but IMO it would have greater appeal than country...audience and demo-wise and be fairly cost-effective to run. If they need help they can ask CC how they fornicate pennies to make more... :
Will we EVER know?? Who knows but I never thought I would say it but my satellite radio was the BEST investment! Music "I" want to hear in abundant supply is worth EVERY dollar spent!!
Everything that you said, plus I'll add that while Allentown may be a distant "extension" of the NYC metro area geographically, the comparisons (which are tenuous at best) end there.
Ok Emmis... PULSE's beat is becoming financially faint. Pick up the pace, or PULSE that is... 101.9 is tanking and EVERYONE knows it. Do we wanna see better numbers and put the real rhythm back on a full signal? Then someone needs to put the dusty records back on the shelf and make better use of turntables.
This NY rock experience has given my ears post traumatic stress disorder.
This NY rock experience has given my ears post traumatic stress disorder.
myke25 said:Ok Emmis... PULSE's beat is becoming financially faint. Pick up the pace, or PULSE that is... 101.9 is tanking and EVERYONE knows it. Do we wanna see better numbers and put the real rhythm back on a full signal? Then someone needs to put the dusty records back on the shelf and make better use of turntables.
so you want them to replace RXP with a format that is failing on another station? WTF?!
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myke25 said:Ok Emmis... PULSE's beat is becoming financially faint. Pick up the pace, or PULSE that is... 101.9 is tanking and EVERYONE knows it. Do we wanna see better numbers and put the real rhythm back on a full signal? Then someone needs to put the dusty records back on the shelf and make better use of turntables.
If Emmis were to adopt a format like Pulse's on 101.9, that would probably take me off the fence over whether or not to purchase a satellite radio receiver and subscription. I wouldn't necessarily mind a Country format though.
NJMike said:
Don't let this be another WYNY on 101.9. KTU has country on 103.5 HD2, much of a different kind of country station as a tribute to WYNY of the past.
RXP is not doing great, but it's a knock off of WDST in Woodstock, NY known as "Radio Woodstock". Where is Jammin' Oldies, I would love to see the station come back to 101.9 under the name "Jammin' 101.9" where they will play Stevie Wonder, the Spinners, the O'Jays, KC & the Sunshine Band, the Supremes, Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson, the Commodores, Donna Summer, Michael Jackson, the Gap Band, MFSB, Teena Marie, Rick James and a few others. This would be the return to Jammin' Oldies and they should change its call letters from WRXP to WTJM, the former call letters last heard on 105.1 back in 2003 was "Jammin' 105". Why not bringing it back soon, I would love to hear "Jammin' Oldies" once again on 101.9 to hear some 60's, 70's and 80's jammin' songs.
wmgcbs said:
Thanks wmgcbs for this post. CBS-FM is doing well but it sounded a lot like WVOS-FM in the Catskills playing much of the same as CBS-FM does except Chris Ingram on WVOS-FM is a afternoon drive host, he is the son of the legendary Dan Ingram, I hope he'll give Chris credit for this one. To get back to the CBS-FM ratings discussion, it is okay except for its too much 80's songs on this station, this is not the station that it is WBPM related. I found this playlist on WBPM's website where CBS-FM will someday be dropping a lot of Motown, R&B and soul songs replacing by just rock & pop songs of the 60's, 70's and 80's, just like "Jack" and now CBS-FM HD2 did on 101.1. They should play "Talking In Your Sleep" by the Romantics (not Ruby and the Romantics), "Mr. Roboto" by Styx, AC/DC's "Shook Me All Night Long", Don Henley's "The Heart of the Matter", Hall & Oates "Method of Modern Love", Meatloaf's "Bat Out of Hell", Poison's "Every Rose Has Its Thorn", Psychedelic Furs' "Ghost in You", The Go-Go's "Head Over Heels" and many other rock will someday be playing on CBS-FM.
That's not going to happen, folks! CBS-FM is doing really well, and let's not forget this WBPM junk playing on 101.1. CBS-FM is not WBPM and not playing any New Wave "Music Blimp" type garbage on this station. As Dr. Sniffen would say, "This is not a freakin' rock station, it is an oldies station, call it whatever you want!"
How did yet another thread get hijacked to become a CBS-FM critique? Between the unnecessary personal attacks herein and the fact that this thread has careened off topic, it's time to stick a fork in it - it's done!
Emmis won't flip that movin station they have in los angeles which use to be country. I seriously doubt they will do anything with rxp. I think rxp does better so i would think if emmis does anything with either station it would be to the one in la.
Funny both nyc and la have chr stations and no competition in either and in my hometown of louisville ky we two very similar chr stations.
Funny both nyc and la have chr stations and no competition in either and in my hometown of louisville ky we two very similar chr stations.
All the station needs to do to stay competitive is get more in line with WXRT in Chicago.
-No AC/DC, Aerosmith, GNR, Boston, BILLY JOEL, tired Rolling Stones
-No Pre-punk classics
-Gold tracks should consist of only punk/new wave
-Keep doing the alternative music
If you notice, their cume is pretty good in the PPMs - over 1,000,000. I wonder what their TSL is. It must be pretty low, because I know that Spoon fans will NOT listen to AC/DC, Guns 'n Roses, Boston, or George Thorogood.
What's strange about RXP is that they haven't realized they just have to go straight-up AAA at this point. They're trying to be a mix of all the wrong parts of the Q and it just doesn't sound right - it's downright aggravating for any listener to sit through burned-out AC/DC or Guns 'n Roses songs to get to the new Beck. I know the station staff must be thinking this by now - the consultants are to blame for sure.
I can't help but think they'll go this direction before dumping the format.
...of course, CBS could find this an opportunity to dump K-Rock to relaunch WNEW-FM with WXRT's AWESOME AAA format and swap Fresh onto 92.3.
WNEW-FM would launch with a stellar reputation, strong brand, good 25-54, and opportunity to excel in billings and ratings. It would also make huge headlines like CBS-FM's return did - literally millions in free promotion.
I'll never understand...
-No AC/DC, Aerosmith, GNR, Boston, BILLY JOEL, tired Rolling Stones
-No Pre-punk classics
-Gold tracks should consist of only punk/new wave
-Keep doing the alternative music
If you notice, their cume is pretty good in the PPMs - over 1,000,000. I wonder what their TSL is. It must be pretty low, because I know that Spoon fans will NOT listen to AC/DC, Guns 'n Roses, Boston, or George Thorogood.
What's strange about RXP is that they haven't realized they just have to go straight-up AAA at this point. They're trying to be a mix of all the wrong parts of the Q and it just doesn't sound right - it's downright aggravating for any listener to sit through burned-out AC/DC or Guns 'n Roses songs to get to the new Beck. I know the station staff must be thinking this by now - the consultants are to blame for sure.
I can't help but think they'll go this direction before dumping the format.
...of course, CBS could find this an opportunity to dump K-Rock to relaunch WNEW-FM with WXRT's AWESOME AAA format and swap Fresh onto 92.3.
WNEW-FM would launch with a stellar reputation, strong brand, good 25-54, and opportunity to excel in billings and ratings. It would also make huge headlines like CBS-FM's return did - literally millions in free promotion.
I'll never understand...
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