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[FightingIrish]

Re: Hartmann Moves Up; Weekend Show Pushed Back

Nonesense? What's nonsense is to make a comparison to conservative talk radio and expecting them to practice political correctness. Sorry, that's not a game they'd play. Of course, Irish Catholics do seem to be over-represented among rightie hosts.

Rachel Maddow came from brief experience at a flea bite station in Western Massachusetts but with some activist connections. Mark Reilly (along with Wayne Gellman) was forced on AAR by Black-owned ICBC as part of the WLIB LMA. Ironically, most progressive talk stations can count Lionel toward their PC quotas.

The group most over-represented at AAR is pro-Zionist Northeast Jews (Franken, Rhodes, Seder) who condone and even approve of Palestinian genocide.

If any broadcaster were to be truly color blind and hire solely on merit, any operation would be mostly White males. This is radio's dirty little secret. Affirmative action has saddled the industry with a subset of employees who are not qualified, not motivated and who know they are untouchable. Now somebody is going to get on their high horse and call this racist. What's racist is how (to paraphrase Martin Luther King) broadcasting and the EEOC judge people by the color of their skin, NOT by the content of their character.

Damn, attacking Catholics and Jews in one post?

Perhaps you're posting at the wrong site, and meant to go here instead:

http://www.stormfront.com

BTW: Franken is a Minnesota Jew.

 

[fred flintstone]

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TRN and Radio America also program a 24/7 schedule. And Radio America's schedule is far weaker than AAR's.

Not a good analogy. TRN and Radio America are like lots of other wanna be syndicatiors.-- ie. Business Talk Radio, Genesis Communications, Head on Radio, Lifestyle Radio Network, Republic Broadcasting, USA Radio Network, and several others that make a network feed of their programming available by satellite and/or internet distribution. They are not attempting to have their entire network picked up by radio stations. The only network that is analagous to AAR is Salem and they are different because, unlike AAR, they own the stations that carry their program. (Not surprising, could you imagine a radio station willingly carrying the garbage that Salem offers.)

In political talk, Salem is the only other operation using a network model. In all fairness, however, the three sports talk networks (ESPN Radio, Fox Sports Radio and Sporting News Radio) operate on a similar model - providing a turnkey feed while larger stations pick up individual shows. There are also some similarities to religious radio networks except programs on religious networks are generally brokered.

Here again: turnkey stations don't get any appreciable audience (even with good signals). Never have, never will. Whatever AAR's goals - political influence or profits - they won't achieve them as long as they consign themselves to turnkey operations. AAR's incompetence serves mostly to marginalize the progressive talk format.

 

[fred flintstone]

Re: Hartmann Moves Up; Weekend Show Pushed Back

Damn, attacking Catholics and Jews in one post?

BTW: Franken is a Minnesota Jew.

He has lived most of his life in Noo Yawk (As in, "Live from New York ....").

I don't attack Catholics and Jews. I attack Catholicism and Judaism (and Protestant fundamentalism, too). I consider religion the single greatest source of evil, mischief and suffering in history. I agree with Robert Heinlein that all religions are equally ridiculous from the outside. I also attack the leaders, zealots and true believers of any religious group who consistently seek to invoke God to shove their ideas and views down everybody else's throat and whose main political goal is theocracy. I don't believe in belief. I look up the mass of followers as marks in the world's largest and most successful con game.

Now the "religious community" preaches "tolerance" - only because a Mexican stand-off exists between various cults in this country. If any one of them got the upper hand, they'd start banning all the other groups and persecuting - even killing off - their adherents.

I have one hero in scripture (which I have read): The Apostle Thomas.

 

[tjthedj]

Well Freddie,
YOU have a great hero. Thomas wanted proof and HE GOT IT. Jesus, his Master, told Thomas to put his hand in His side and to check out the "nail scars" in His hands. Jesus wasn't bashful about the truth.

We can all doubt. No dispute there. It's human nature created in us by God. The idea is to KEEP SEARCHING (and don't be stupid) until your Faith is satisfied.

My Faith is satisfied. If you still think it's a con game...I'm sorry for you.

After a long, successful radio career, andf after 5 years of education in addition to my BA, I've been a "professsional" Minister since 1994. I do it for a living in a 100 bed nursing home where seriously ill people come to DIE.

BUT - I would NEVER DREAM of (your words) "seeking to invoke God to shove their ideas and views down everybody else's throat and whose main political goal is theocracy."

I would NEVER "shove" anything. In this Catholic-owned facility, I'd be FIRED IMMEDIATELY if I did.

No "evil" here. We care for EVERYONE, money or not, this Faith or not. I would challenge you to find any difference in how we treat Athiests (4 out of 100) Mormons (2 out of 100) Jehovah's Witnesses (2 out of 100) or Catholics (25 out of 100). No Jews or Arabs in this community, but we would NEVER discriminate.

I'm proud of Catholic Health Care.You should check out Catherine McAuley, who started this system.

 

[fred flintstone]

Well Freddie,
YOU have a great hero. Thomas wanted proof and HE GOT IT. Jesus, his Master, told Thomas to put his hand in His side and to check out the "nail scars" in His hands. Jesus wasn't bashful about the truth.

We can all doubt. No dispute there. It's human nature created in us by God. The idea is to KEEP SEARCHING (and don't be stupid) until your Faith is satisfied.

My Faith is satisfied. If you still think it's a con game...I'm sorry for you.

Your use of capitalization is revealing.

The word "master" in the King James Version is an archaic term for "teacher." Of course, the Hebrew word for "teacher" is "rabbi," the word Joshua's (his correct name in English since "Jesus" is a corrupted Greek form of the original Hebrew name) would have used. But, I can see where fundamentalists prefer "master" since that implies domination and subservience and avoids the obvious implication that Joshua (Jesus) was Jewish (you know, whole nine yards, separate dishes and all that) and all his followers were Jewish.

Thomas did need "Faith" - or even "faith" (firm belief in something for which there is no proof) because supposedly he had proof. If I get the same deal, I'll reconsider. But so far what we have is a bunch of cults with conflicting claims and a deity who punishes people for making a wrong theological guess and picking the wrong one.

There is no way to evaluate the accuracy of any theological or eschatological claims. The only basis for judging any religion is the affect it has on its adherents. And Christianity tends to produce self-righteous, narrow-minded, hypocritical and intolerant true believers. As Eric Hoffer pointed out, such people are often dissatisfied with themselves and their own lives, so they have to attach themselves to some movement. Joshua (Jesus) did not have much use for the religious people of his day, but Christians prefer to think he was critical of Jews rather than of people like themselves.

I commend you for finding work you experience as satisfying and useful. Christianity (in contrast to Judaism) encourages good works (a mitzvah in Hebrew) to avoid hell and get to heaven; Judaism encourages such acts because it is considered the right thing to do, regardless of any future reward. Judaism focuses more on ethical conduct and abandoned the idea of sacrifice and antonement 2000 years ago and, therefore, would appear to be the more evolved belief system. Of course, since Luther introduced "justification by faith," good works are unnecessary for many Christians. So such Christians are free to devote all their attention to other people's sins and stamping out false beliefs.

Mark Twain was right: You go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company.

 

[dampier]

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I don't attack Catholics and Jews. I attack Catholicism and Judaism (and Protestant fundamentalism, too). I consider religion the single greatest source of evil, mischief and suffering in history. I agree with Robert Heinlein that all religions are equally ridiculous from the outside. I also attack the leaders, zealots and true believers of any religious group who consistently seek to invoke God to shove their ideas and views down everybody else's throat and whose main political goal is theocracy. I don't believe in belief. I look up the mass of followers as marks in the world's largest and most successful con game.

I think there is a MAJOR difference between Al Franken's Jewish faith and how it integrates into his radio program and some of the Christians on Fox News (particularly the ones that slashed their own Fox correspondents for "converting" to Islam in order to get released as being 'traitors' to the Christian faith) and the Salem Witch Trials Network, and the rest of the "values" crowd on the right that uses religion as a wedge tool.

I am an atheist and don't buy into any religion, but I don't consider those who practice their faith to be evil because they have faith - just how they use it in an effort to weave their religious beliefs into political arguments and suggesting that those who disagree are against God.

I find it curious that of all the talk radio out there that dwells on holier-than-thou dogma, you would zero in on Air America's Jewish hosts while totally ignoring the elephant in the room - conservative talk radio (and even the garbage that folks Dr. Laura the Hypocrite pushes every day).

The only other guy who does that is Brian Baloney who just loves his Photoshop, redrawing Al Franken in Orthodox garb and then raining dollar bills down upon him as Franken looks skyward in glee.

 

[fred flintstone]

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I find it curious that of all the talk radio out there that dwells on holier-than-thou dogma, you would zero in on Air America's Jewish hosts while totally ignoring the elephant in the room - conservative talk radio (and even the garbage that folks Dr. Laura the Hypocrite pushes every day).

The only other guy who does that is Brian Baloney who just loves his Photoshop, redrawing Al Franken in Orthodox garb and then raining dollar bills down upon him as Franken looks skyward in glee.

Phillip I have not ignored it. I have posted about it (and you have replied to some of those posts).
I have mentioned that I find it telling the extent to which Irish Catholics are so over-represented in rightie syndicated talk radio - Hannity, Gallagher, O'Reilly, Doyle and - of course - Maloney.
And I have heard a distinct anti-Palestinian, Pro-Israel tilt from AAR.

I would say Dr. Laura's "garbage" comes from her hypocrisy more than from any Orthodox practices. It's just that religion does tend to bring out the worst in people, including - maybe especially - hypocrisy.

And, lest we forget, Salem is the creation of a couple of Bob Jones University zealots (a school too off the deep end even for Billy Graham) who use their version of religious right-family values talk radio to reach an audience that would never dream of listening to their collection of pay to play preachers.

It's amazing how true believers in this country express such hatred (in the name of religions that preach love) for people in the middle-East with whom they share a strong degree of spiritual conviction (and the zealotry that often accompanies such conviction).

Religion - all the biggies - doesn't make people better people. It makes them insufferable.
There is some evidence that such intolerance is inherent in monotheism; the belief that my god-concepts are right and everybody else's a wrong - and that god likes us best. And this kind of intolerance underlies all of political talk radio - and much else in this country.

 

[tjthedj]

Fred and Phil,
Thanks.

First, I'm amazed (especially on this board) that neither of you responded as people on the "off the air" board would have. That board certainly needs a large flush.

My use of (capital M) Master is because it refers to Jesus.

"Faith" or faith or religion is much more than what is put out by the media people and companies that you mentioned. I bet my opinion of most of them is even lower than yours. To me they are mostly part of the pr circus and have little or nothing to do with finding eternal peace. What THEY think or say is of little importance.

Fred said "the belief that my god-concepts are right and everybody else's a wrong - and that god likes us best...".

Be assured that not EVERY person of Faith thinks like your quote. Please don't put us all in one basket.