Scripps lands McGraw-Hill stations

[TheRob]

So will the MGH stations get the Scripps imaging? (The black/yellow abc## station ID)

I suspect this imaging is in their future (from KSHB)

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For some odd reason, the image is blocked even though it's on Tripod. Can you post it to flickr or someplace like that instead?

Cheers & 73

Thanks, Tripod!

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[JeeperOne]

Scripps does not own stations in a market as small as Bakersfield, so I wonder if they will keep KERO in the long run...

Considering that it's an overflow of ABC O&O KABC in Los Angeles much like KNTV 11 in San Jose was before they became an NBC O&O, I would think no

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney/ABC bought it & converted it to an Indie sister to KABC 7 ala what KCAL 9 is to KCBS 2

KERO and KABC no longer overlap ever since Syndex regulations were put into place. The only programming Bakersfield can see from KABC these days is Eyewitness News and it's been that way for decades. The two markets are very much different and have always been separated by the mountains that make up the Grapevine.

Even so, Disney/ABC could still buy KERO, flip it to an Indie (With all the current local & syndie programming) & replace ABC programming with KABC via cable & satellite

Granted it would put those who prefer to get TV OTA in a pinch but there's no reason to believe that an on-channel booster couldn't be installed atop the KERO tower that would pull in KABC

KERO currently produces its own news even though viewers can get KABC as well but with KERO under the Disney/ABC umbrella as a network-owned Indie, KABC could combine KERO's news department with that of KABC much like Local Media did with KWGN & KDVR here in Denver & enter the 10:00 PM news race by producing a newscast on KERO. Afterall doesn't KCBS produce a 10:00 PM newscast on KCAL 9 ??

Just a thought.....

Cheers & 73 ;D

 

[JeeperOne]

So will the MGH stations get the Scripps imaging? (The black/yellow abc## station ID)

NO WAY

The KMGH "ABC 7" logo is unique & stands in a class by itself. Sorta like the red circle "7" which only WHDH & WSVN both use

And besides, only WMAR and KNXV use the same imaging scheme

Unless they changed it recently, you can add KERO to that list as well

Also, there's a Media General CBS affiliate in Pensacola, FL (I think) on virtual channel 5 that uses the same theme music (Unless that has changed recently too)

Cheers & 73 ;D

 

[JeeperOne]

as WCPO, WEWS, and WXYZ; and can Bakersfield stand another switch?

Which is why I came up with the idea of Disney/ABC buying it as a sister to KABC & flip it to an Indie akin to what KCAL 9 has become to KCBS 2. No reason to think that can't happen IMO.....

Cheers & 73 ;D

 

[Robnoxious]

KERO currently produces its own news even though viewers can get KABC as well but with KERO under the Disney/ABC umbrella as a network-owned Indie, KABC could combine KERO's news department with that of KABC much like Local Media did with KWGN & KDVR here in Denver & enter the 10:00 PM news race by producing a newscast on KERO. Afterall doesn't KCBS produce a 10:00 PM newscast on KCAL 9 ??

I don't see KABC or any Los Angeles stations for that matter showing any interest for the Bakersfield market outside of throwing up their highs and lows on the weather map (and some have quit doing even that). That's the extent all of Los Angeles has that Bakersfield even exists. KCBS/KCAL is a different situation in that both are owned by CBS and share one studio to produce news for the same market.

KABC producing news for KERO makes about as much sense as a station in Anchorage, Alaska producing news for Honolulu, Hawaii. The ~130 mile difference between LA and Bakersfield is just as diametrically different in every way.

That's not to say your hypothetical couldn't happen, I just cannot fathom that it ever would.

 

[JeeperOne]

KERO currently produces its own news even though viewers can get KABC as well but with KERO under the Disney/ABC umbrella as a network-owned Indie, KABC could combine KERO's news department with that of KABC much like Local Media did with KWGN & KDVR here in Denver & enter the 10:00 PM news race by producing a newscast on KERO. Afterall doesn't KCBS produce a 10:00 PM newscast on KCAL 9 ??

I don't see KABC or any Los Angeles stations for that matter showing any interest for the Bakersfield market outside of throwing up their highs and lows on the weather map (and some have quit doing even that). That's the extent all of Los Angeles has that Bakersfield even exists. KCBS/KCAL is a different situation in that both are owned by CBS and share one studio to produce news for the same market.

Ahh but before CBS bought it, it was owned by someone else (Unfortunately the name doesn't come to mind right now)

KABC producing news for KERO makes about as much sense as a station in Anchorage, Alaska producing news for Honolulu, Hawaii.

Err....Dontcha think that's kinda stretching it just a wee bit?

Besides, I don't think there are any true stations (Other than NBC affiliate KTUU 2) in Anchorage, AK anyway whereas there's a slew of 'em in Honolulu ;D

The ~130 mile difference between LA and Bakersfield is just as diametrically different in every way.

That's not to say your hypothetical couldn't happen, I just cannot fathom that it ever would.

Well not many people saw KNTV 11 in San Jose being a runover into the SF Bay Area but obviously ABC did (And NBC is eternally grateful for it too as that bailed them out of the pickle they were in with KRON 4 & Young Broadcasting ;D )

Bottom line - NOTHING is impossible ;D

Cheers & 73 ;D

 

[Robnoxious]

But in the case of KNTV-11 there was overlap with KRON-4. There is zero overlap between Bakersfield and Los Angeles minus Bakersfield cable still piping in KABC and KNBC's local news (a legacy holdover from Bakersfield's cable infancy that is still employed today.)

Bakersfield and Los Angeles have nothing in common which is why I see your hypothetical as far reaching. It serves Disney/ABC no purpose in buying KERO when KERO isn't seen by anyone in Los Angeles. Disney/ABC would have nothing to gain other than owning a station in market #125.

If anything, your hypothetical could work if you look to Fresno where Bakersfield has much more in common and overlap (if the stars are aligned and you have a good antenna) than Los Angeles.

 

[JeeperOne]

But in the case of KNTV-11 there was overlap with KRON-4.

Actually NBC affiliated with KNTV (And later bought the station) only after being forced off KRON 4 by Young Broadcasting. NBC didn't choose to leave KRON 4 like ABC chose to leave KNTV 11

There is zero overlap between Bakersfield and Los Angeles minus Bakersfield cable still piping in KABC and KNBC's local news (a legacy holdover from Bakersfield's cable infancy that is still employed today.)Well obviously there is interest or the cabe company would fight like hell to keep the two stations off the system there despite the stupid "Must Carry" rules

Bakersfield and Los Angeles have nothing in common which is why I see your hypothetical as far reaching. It serves Disney/ABC no purpose in buying KERO when KERO isn't seen by anyone in Los Angeles. Disney/ABC would have nothing to gain other than owning a station in market #125.

That could just as easily be made by COL only ya know. They don't even have to promote Bakersfield in any way if they don't wanna

If anything, your hypothetical could work if you look to Fresno where Bakersfield has much more in common and overlap (if the stars are aligned and you have a good antenna) than Los Angeles.

Thank goodness for Google Earth.....

BAKERSFIELD TO FRESNO 111 Miles
BAKERSFIELD TO LOS ANGELES 112 Miles

About as far one way as it is to the other (As the crow flies that is ;D )

Cheers & 73 ;D

 

[JeeperOne]

Dang board

Lance (Or one of the other ops), can you reformat my post directly above whereas it makes sense please (I can't see where I went wrong)? Thanks ;D

Cheers & 73 ;D

 

[Robnoxious]

BAKERSFIELD TO FRESNO 111 Miles
BAKERSFIELD TO LOS ANGELES 112 Miles

About as far one way as it is to the other (As the crow flies that is ;D )

Cheers & 73 ;D

Ideology wise it's as different as apples and oranges. Fresno and Bakersfield share commonalities such as farming and agriculture and both have staunch support of conservative viewpoints. Los Angeles proper has sold it's rich ag land for concrete jungles, freeways and amusement parks a long long time ago and leans much more to the left.

That one extra mile as the crow flies is a world of difference.

 

[JeeperOne]

BAKERSFIELD TO FRESNO 111 Miles
BAKERSFIELD TO LOS ANGELES 112 Miles

About as far one way as it is to the other (As the crow flies that is ;D )

Cheers & 73 ;D

Ideology wise it's as different as apples and oranges. Fresno and Bakersfield share commonalities such as farming and agriculture and both have staunch support of conservative viewpoints. Los Angeles proper has sold it's rich ag land for concrete jungles, freeways and amusement parks a long long time ago and leans much more to the left.

That one extra mile as the crow flies is a world of difference.

Maybe in an ideaological world, yes. But the question is would it matter in television though?

Cheers & 73 ;D

 

[tripinva]

Which is why I came up with the idea of Disney/ABC buying it as a sister to KABC & flip it to an Indie akin to what KCAL 9 has become to KCBS 2. No reason to think that can't happen IMO.....

How about the fact they're in completely DMAs, the FCC is no longer allowing city of license changes, and it would have to cross two mountain ranges to get there? In what fantasy land is that idea even feasible?

- Trip

 

[ShawnHill1]

Which is why I came up with the idea of Disney/ABC buying it as a sister to KABC & flip it to an Indie akin to what KCAL 9 has become to KCBS 2. No reason to think that can't happen IMO.....

How about the fact they're in completely DMAs, the FCC is no longer allowing city of license changes, and it would have to cross two mountain ranges to get there? In what fantasy land is that idea even feasible?

- Trip

Yeah, and unless you live in far-northern Los Angeles County (the Antelope Valley region), you can't pick up anything from Bakersfield, and probably now in the digital age, it's iffy. If I remember correctly, from the old L.A. Daily News TV listings as far back as the mid-90s, the cable companies up there used to carry at least one of the Bakersfield stations (either KERO or KBAK).

 

[ShawnHill1]

I sort of figured that the McGraw-Hill stations would be bought by an ABC-friendly station group, and it gives Scripps more stations north (KMGH Denver) and west of Phoenix (KGTV and KERO in California). Scripps is a pretty strong performer, ratings-wise, in many of their markets, such as Detroit, Cleveland, and Cincinnati.

Given that at the time WJBK Detroit and WJW Cleveland switched from CBS to becoming Fox o&os, and in exchange for keeping WXYZ and WEWS from moving from ABC to CBS Scripps switched four other stations to ABC (WMAR Baltimore from NBC, WCPO Cincinnati from CBS, and WFTS Tampa and KNXV Phoenix from Fox), I have no reason to believe that Scripps will switch any of the four McGraw-Hill ABC affiliates. In two markets they're locked out of a network: Denver, where KCNC is a CBS o&o; and San Diego, where NBC has a majority ownership in KNSD. Also, in Denver they're up against KUSA, an NBC affiliate owned by Gannett, and the company and network have a very strong relationship. WRTV Indianapolis is in the same part of the country as WCPO, WEWS, and WXYZ; and can Bakersfield stand another switch?

Bakersfield is almost akin to Baltimore (as an example), in that at least one of their network stations had mutliple affiliation switches. KERO had stints with NBC and CBS, before switching to ABC; crosstown KGET was with ABC and then CBS before taking NBC in '84. Of course, there's WMAR in Baltimore...CBS to NBC to ABC.

I can't see any affiliation switching in any of Scripps' new markets any time soon as well. In San Diego, KFMB is locked into a long-term agreement with CBS (not to mention, a pretty strong 62-year relationship with the Eye), and much like the relationship between Gannett and NBC, there seems to be a very solid relationship between Fox and Tribune (KSWB). The only place I think we could see a potential affiliation switch (a LONG-shot at best) is in Indianapolis, with each of the other network affiliates being owned by independent companies.

 

[fybush]

Scripps is tied very tightly to ABC, and has been since the Great Reshuffling of 1995, when it leveraged its ownership of WXYZ in Detroit and WEWS in Cleveland (where ABC very much did not want to lose its top-rated VHF affiliations) in order to secure ABC affiliation for its lesser UHF stations in Phoenix (KNXV) and Tampa (WFTS), as well as a long-term deal for WMAR. (WCPO flipped later on, and I'm not sure why KJRH and WPTV have hung on with NBC. KSHB never had a shot at ABC, as long as Hearst wanted it for KMBC.)

The ABC affiliations already in place at the McGraw-Hill stations were among the biggest reasons Scripps wanted them. They won't be changing.

(And no, I can't figure out why anyone would think ABC/Disney would want to buy KERO and take it indie... ??? )

 

[KeithE4]

The only place I think we could see a potential affiliation switch (a LONG-shot at best) is in Indianapolis, with each of the other network affiliates being owned by independent companies.

Why would WISH change networks, why would anyone want NBC, and why would ABC-friendly Scripps want to drop that network from WRTV?

NBC is in the toilet, which is why WRTV dumped it and WTHR got it in the first place (1979). I can't see any of the other stations wanting it, unless Channel 13 wanted to go independent and Tribune would then grab it for WTTV/WTTK (the chances of that happening are about the same as the Cleveland Browns winning the Super Bowl this season).

WISH has been CBS for all but their first two years on the air. All the other LIN-owned stations in Indiana have been CBS (primary or exclusive) from the day they signed on.

I just don't see any Indy station changing networks anytime soon.

 

[kilamanjero]

Scripps is tied very tightly to ABC, and has been since the Great Reshuffling of 1995, when it leveraged its ownership of WXYZ in Detroit and WEWS in Cleveland (where ABC very much did not want to lose its top-rated VHF affiliations) in order to secure ABC affiliation for its lesser UHF stations in Phoenix (KNXV) and Tampa (WFTS), as well as a long-term deal for WMAR. (WCPO flipped later on, and I'm not sure why KJRH and WPTV have hung on with NBC. KSHB never had a shot at ABC, as long as Hearst wanted it for KMBC.)

The ABC affiliations already in place at the McGraw-Hill stations were among the biggest reasons Scripps wanted them. They won't be changing.

(And no, I can't figure out why anyone would think ABC/Disney would want to buy KERO and take it indie... ??? )

I can tell you why with the Tulsa and West Palm Beach scenarios. In Tulsa, ABC is affiliated with Allbritton-owned KTUL, which is in cohorts with one another in long-term agreements for all its stations including Washington, DC's ABC affiliate WJLA. In West Palm Beach, ABC affiliate, WPBF, is owned by Hearst, and you guys of that story. Scripps' relationship with ABC is strong, but Hearst and Allbritton's relationship is stronger.

 

[fybush]

That makes perfect sense...hadn't thought about who the other players were in either market.

 

[PTBoardOp94]

NBC is in the toilet, which is why WRTV dumped it and WTHR got it in the first place (1979). I can't see any of the other stations wanting it, unless Channel 13 wanted to go independent and Tribune would then grab it for WTTV/WTTK (the chances of that happening are about the same as the Cleveland Browns winning the Super Bowl this season).

WISH has been CBS for all but their first two years on the air. All the other LIN-owned stations in Indiana have been CBS (primary or exclusive) from the day they signed on.

I just don't see any Indy station changing networks anytime soon.

A new swap between WTHR and WRTV would be a reasonable business move, all other things being equal, considering that WTHR has the top rated news, and first-tier syndicated product, but has to put up with stinkers from NBC.

WRTV has not had a competitive news product in a decade, and airs syndicated programs highlighted by "Judge Judy" and "Nate." ABC's product has been very good the last five years or so.

Chances that it happens with the new owners? Nil.

 

[Kent]

Don't forget also that Albritton got a deal to insure it got ABC in all markets after it agreed to switch 33/40 in Birmingham to ABC after Fox bought WBRC and flipped it from ABC.