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SEPTEMBER'S 'CRY FOR YOU' ON Z-100????
- Thread starter myke25
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It's the "Pulse" effect!
It's VERY interesting to see how rhythmic songs of recent years have started to sprout up on the CHR stations such as Z-100, 'BLI, etc. We are definitely in the beginnings of another "cycle" (funny how these current cycles always start up around the latter part of the decade.) ??? This time around, let's KEEP dance as part of the fabric....shouldn't have to be cyclical.
It's VERY interesting to see how rhythmic songs of recent years have started to sprout up on the CHR stations such as Z-100, 'BLI, etc. We are definitely in the beginnings of another "cycle" (funny how these current cycles always start up around the latter part of the decade.) ??? This time around, let's KEEP dance as part of the fabric....shouldn't have to be cyclical.
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MarcR
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Tony Santiago said:
Oh sure, a station that half the listening public can't even receive on their radios is having an impact on a ratings juggernaut like Z-100. :
And incidentally, as I've argued before, the Zeitgeist really isn't favorable for Dance to make a strong impact on the Pop charts. After seeing who had won American Idol this season, I'd surmise that Rock music is far better positioned than Dance. So keep laboring on in relative obscurity! lalumia said:
Tony sure likes his dance!Woot!-
MarcR said:Tony Santiago said:
Oh sure, a station that half the listening public can't even receive on their radios is having an impact on a ratings juggernaut like Z-100. :
Gotta love the haters.
From an objective standpoint, it seems more than a little coincidental that Z100 and KTU have been adding more dance music to their rotations since Pulse came on the air. It's not wishful thinking, it's actually what has been happening.
KTU added Jenna Drey - All Out of Love relatively quickly. The last time it added a new dance song at the same time the other dance stations added it was Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes several years ago. The difference between those 2 times is back then, KTU was the dance station, now Pulse87 is the dance station. Z100's been playing more current dance music than KTU in the past few years. Lucas Prata - And She Said was in the top 5 on Z100.
I heard All Out of Love and other current dance hits in a dance mixshow on KC-101 in New Haven (which has Party 105.3 from across the Long Island sound). And 106.1 BLI on Long Island added Cascada - Because The Night.
Q102 added a dance mixshow and Wired likes dance music, and there's dance stations Z-88.9 and Super 91.7 in the suburbs of Philadelphia.
All those are examples of how a little dance station can influence the bigger CHR stations. One dance hit can spread like a virus from station to station.
I heard All Out of Love and other current dance hits in a dance mixshow on KC-101 in New Haven (which has Party 105.3 from across the Long Island sound). And 106.1 BLI on Long Island added Cascada - Because The Night.
Q102 added a dance mixshow and Wired likes dance music, and there's dance stations Z-88.9 and Super 91.7 in the suburbs of Philadelphia.
All those are examples of how a little dance station can influence the bigger CHR stations. One dance hit can spread like a virus from station to station.
MarcR said:Oh sure, a station that half the listening public can't even receive on their radios is having an impact on a ratings juggernaut like Z-100. :
So, we're going to base an American Idol winner for the future of the pop charts?? One word to squash that argument.....DAUGHTRY. His album was good but that didn't turn the music world upside down for rock that year over pop & R&B....winner or not.
And with that, no one is expecting dance music to turn things upside down either on the pop charts. However, when you consider that last year at this time, nothing happened and now slowly but surely you have two dance songs added on rotation, something is slowly but surely happening. Could the lagging sales and sounds of hip-hop have something to do with it? Perhaps. But to say that Pulse isn't having some sort of effect is just plain denial. That's also why Z-100 added a mix show with Jason Nevins!
Relook that Zeitgeist. It's not big, but it cannot be denied that something is happening. Gotta give it to that little "TV station" that could!
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MarcR
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Tony Santiago said:MarcR said:Oh sure, a station that half the listening public can't even receive on their radios is having an impact on a ratings juggernaut like Z-100. :
So, we're going to base an American Idol winner for the future of the pop charts?? One word to squash that argument.....DAUGHTRY. His album was good but that didn't turn the music world upside down for rock that year over pop & R&B....winner or not.
And with that, no one is expecting dance music to turn things upside down either on the pop charts. However, when you consider that last year at this time, nothing happened and now slowly but surely you have two dance songs added on rotation, something is slowly but surely happening. Could the lagging sales and sounds of hip-hop have something to do with it? Perhaps. But to say that Pulse isn't having some sort of effect is just plain denial. That's also why Z-100 added a mix show with Jason Nevins!
Relook that Zeitgeist. It's not big, but it cannot be denied that something is happening. Gotta give it to that little "TV station" that could!
Daughtry didn't win American Idol. I think he was voted off much sooner than people had predicted .
As for Pulse's potential impact on the playlists of the big league stations, you could study the example of Indie 103.1 in Los Angeles and its negligible influence on market leader KROQ .
the biggest mistake a CHR could make is to open the door to dance; that was the downfall of 77WABC AM back when WKTU took over; instead of going counter clock wise and embracing the fab rock records coming out of NYC, WABC turned it's mass audience onto disco, and opened the door for the ALL Disco, better sound on the FM , WKTU..those who don't learn the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them
lalumia said:
Totally different comparison. You're talking about an AM station versus an FM station, at a time when mainstream FM music radio was finally coming into its own. If not the original KTU, then someone else would certainly have been the "death blow" for WABC. It wasn't a matter of going to dance music, it was a matter of changing technology and preferences.
Also, you are contradicting yourself. You seem to be trying to say that dance music is a killer for CHR radio, but are admitting that WKTU, which was all-disco, killed the legendary heritage Top 40 WABC. You can't have it both ways.
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Froggy
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Good Point! Not only was WABC facing what ultimately comes to many HERITIGE Stations...Do we continue to grow old with our audience or do we re-invent ourselves & go after a younger demo?neo11 said:
Well,going after a younger demo was out of the question sice WABC was AM....AT a point I asked well,why did'nt ABC replace 'PLJ with the WABC calls again & go CHR? Well,by 1982 the WABC MusicRadio audience was in their 30's and WABC would've been un-known to teens of that time,so even going to FM...WABC would've been more of an AC (as WYNY was).
However....if CBS-FM had'nt been OLDIES...I do believe WABC might of gone that route.
Always a big question...for stations that are lucky enough to become Heritage in their format...do we grow old or do we go for a younger demo?!?!
WABC fled from it's glory days of rock roots;they rooted out guitar based records,aiming for an older demo, and thus,welcomed the older-testing disco, which even seniors enjoyed;
if WABC had not abandoned rock in the mid 70s/late 70s,and stayed on track, it would have been the perfect compliment for the early 81/82 MTV,and if WABC had stuck to it's original concept of hits, and played Lauper, Duran,Cuture Club,Cougar, etc they would have had an audience and headed off Z 100 at the pass;whether on AM or if they switched to the PLJ signal, WABC could have kept on rocking, as Z100 has done for almost 25 years now, remaining on top;
WABC just turned on that which first sustained it; teen driven rock, which they fled from and literally refused to play in the final years(I remember them playing "Jesse's Girl" for a time, and then dropping it the week it was #2 !!! on their 'survey", because,I was told, it was 'too rock".
if WABC had not abandoned rock in the mid 70s/late 70s,and stayed on track, it would have been the perfect compliment for the early 81/82 MTV,and if WABC had stuck to it's original concept of hits, and played Lauper, Duran,Cuture Club,Cougar, etc they would have had an audience and headed off Z 100 at the pass;whether on AM or if they switched to the PLJ signal, WABC could have kept on rocking, as Z100 has done for almost 25 years now, remaining on top;
WABC just turned on that which first sustained it; teen driven rock, which they fled from and literally refused to play in the final years(I remember them playing "Jesse's Girl" for a time, and then dropping it the week it was #2 !!! on their 'survey", because,I was told, it was 'too rock".
lalumia said:
There is no way that would have happened. Even if WABC had stayed the course when KTU came on the scene, Z100 would have blown them out of the water, same as heritage top 40 AM's all across the country. The younger set wasn't going to sit around and listen to their parents' music radio station, and on AM to boot, when they could hear what they wanted on FM. It has nothing to do with WABC straying from its "rock roots" or going disco or AC or anything else they did in the late 70s-early 80s. Music radio on AM was dying nationwide, and WABC was one of the casualties.
Music radio on AM was dying nationwide because WABC AM had always been the leader,and the path they led everyone down was a bad one(and they could have migrated the format to the 95PLJ location);
Z100 is almost 25 years old, and is now 'your parents' CHR,yet by remaining current and youth oriented, they're as fresh as a daisy;WABC came into their own in the late 50s,and fizzled out by the late 70s, 20 years, not even as 'old' as Z100 now is
Z100 is almost 25 years old, and is now 'your parents' CHR,yet by remaining current and youth oriented, they're as fresh as a daisy;WABC came into their own in the late 50s,and fizzled out by the late 70s, 20 years, not even as 'old' as Z100 now is
lalumia said:
So you're contending that if WABC hadn't gone down the path they did, that AM music radio would have survived nationwide? That's quite a stretch, in my opinion. AM music radio died simply because FM music radio was coming into its own, and FM radio was finally becoming standard in car radios. Once that happened, not even AM stereo was enough to save music on the AM dial, when you could hear the same music in superior audio and clarity on the FM dial.
Yes, Z100 has been around for 25 years, but guess what...they've reinvented themselves too during that time. They've stayed "fresh" and with the times and it's worked for them....much like WABC was trying to do with disco. Difference is, WABC was already at a disadvantage by then, being an AM station. Z100 is not at a disadvantage as an FM station, and probably won't be until if and when something like nationwide wi-fi becomes common and easily accessible.
I'm contending that AM radio stations that played music gave up the fight by the end of the 70s when they abandoned 'youth' oriented tunes in favor of AC,as the music biz was in a downward spiral, circa 80/81; all that was selling was Kenny & Dolly duets, Jane Fonda work out records and kiddie records, Strawberry Shortcake, etc
great records coming out of the UK were dismissed out of hand by Top 40,as were great US pop/rock records, in favor of Olivia Newton John and Air Supply;
they had no idea that MTV was right around the corner and would revitalize the ailing music industry; their previous programming choices were a key factor as to why the music biz(which pop radio is dependant on)was ailing in the first place;
so yes, I truly believe that just as WABC enjoys great ratings with talk, that it would have enjoyed great ratings with the MTV tunes, leading up to Michael Jackson's Thriller, etc, absolutely
great records coming out of the UK were dismissed out of hand by Top 40,as were great US pop/rock records, in favor of Olivia Newton John and Air Supply;
they had no idea that MTV was right around the corner and would revitalize the ailing music industry; their previous programming choices were a key factor as to why the music biz(which pop radio is dependant on)was ailing in the first place;
so yes, I truly believe that just as WABC enjoys great ratings with talk, that it would have enjoyed great ratings with the MTV tunes, leading up to Michael Jackson's Thriller, etc, absolutely
MassMusicMan
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Nick said:
This might have more to do with the special remix of the song that was about the Mets during their 2006 postseason run.
from an "ADD" of new music perspective... one of the worst things that could happen to Pulse would be to have Z100 and KTU start jumping on new tracks quicker, while not really changing formats much... and sandwiching Pulse... that eliminates Pulses' be different, new music first pop dance remix blend position its trying to fill... and to casual listeners, if you can find it easier on a familiar station why go searching for a weak signal.
Justin Case said:
Kudos to that.
In that sense, that's why I don't mind CHR stations getting "late" in the game with dance tracks. Because if Z-100 and 'KTU did add timely currents to rotation, it could put a bit of a dent on Pulse...and the way CC would do it would be totally WRONG for dance fans should that happen.
In that sense, thank goodness 'KTU went up in the Spring Phase!
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