Yes, it's that time of year again, when the shore is jammed pack and car stereos are blasting the streets of the beaches. Now that we have 92.3, 94.3, 100.3, & 106.3 in Monmouth, and 96.5, 99.3, 102.1, 104.9, and 106.5 in Ocean, why don't we play "Guess That CHR Station" Let's start here in Long Branch, where radios here seem to be sounding like they all have one frequency.
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Shall We "Guess That CHR Station?"
- Thread starter d21ofnj
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Honestly here in Ocean I'm hearing lots of 104.5/WRFF, 98.9/WUSL, 100.1/WJRZ and 104.9/WSJO.
I'm hearing a LOT less of 99.3 KISS FM than last year, presumably due to the switch away from Hip Hop. Also, some of the places that have had WAYV on every summer now have SoJo...
I'm hearing a LOT less of 99.3 KISS FM than last year, presumably due to the switch away from Hip Hop. Also, some of the places that have had WAYV on every summer now have SoJo...
To this day, I still can't get over the amount of Top 40 stations on the FM dial. I am dismayed at the current state of radio, and shocked that the people at Press Communications and CBS Broadcasting don't think that there are enough Top 40 options available.
Top 40 radio is so bland and homogenized. Not only are these stations incredibly repetitive with extremely limited playlists (200-300 songs, tops), they're all virtually identical. The only difference is that you have a handful of more adult-leaning stations that either don't play hip-hop or play a little bit less of it. I'm talking about stations like 94.3 The Point, WAYV, and SoJo, to name just a few examples.
There's a major hole in this market for intelligent radio for adults. Monmouth/Ocean Stations 95.9 The Rat and 105.7 The Hawk have made the decision to ignore this audience, continuing to play the same exact songs they've been playing for years with no discernable tweaks since Press dropped G Rock 106.3/106.5. WRXP shows promise, but its kitchen-sink playlist can be frustrating, and it only puts a strong signal into the northern half of the market. And Philadelphia's Radio 104.5, which is only audible in certain areas, is pretty much the antithesis of what an alternative rock station should be - the same safe songs day in and day out and taking liberties with their format by playing pop acts like All American Rejects and The Fray ... they're what I would call classic rock for a later generation. I've said it before and I'll say it again ... when you have so many scrambling for a piece of a pie that's almost finished (specifically directed at Hit 106 and 92.3 Now), there are bound to be some losers. My money's on the new kids in town.
Here's a question I have: I've been objective, and I've listened to the many Top 40 stations that put a signal into this market for at least 30 minutes to an hour. What do you think drives people to choose one station over another? If I could find playlist information for all of these stations and post it, I would. Honestly, even I was surprised to hear how most of these stations are almost completely identical to one another.
Top 40 radio is so bland and homogenized. Not only are these stations incredibly repetitive with extremely limited playlists (200-300 songs, tops), they're all virtually identical. The only difference is that you have a handful of more adult-leaning stations that either don't play hip-hop or play a little bit less of it. I'm talking about stations like 94.3 The Point, WAYV, and SoJo, to name just a few examples.
There's a major hole in this market for intelligent radio for adults. Monmouth/Ocean Stations 95.9 The Rat and 105.7 The Hawk have made the decision to ignore this audience, continuing to play the same exact songs they've been playing for years with no discernable tweaks since Press dropped G Rock 106.3/106.5. WRXP shows promise, but its kitchen-sink playlist can be frustrating, and it only puts a strong signal into the northern half of the market. And Philadelphia's Radio 104.5, which is only audible in certain areas, is pretty much the antithesis of what an alternative rock station should be - the same safe songs day in and day out and taking liberties with their format by playing pop acts like All American Rejects and The Fray ... they're what I would call classic rock for a later generation. I've said it before and I'll say it again ... when you have so many scrambling for a piece of a pie that's almost finished (specifically directed at Hit 106 and 92.3 Now), there are bound to be some losers. My money's on the new kids in town.
Here's a question I have: I've been objective, and I've listened to the many Top 40 stations that put a signal into this market for at least 30 minutes to an hour. What do you think drives people to choose one station over another? If I could find playlist information for all of these stations and post it, I would. Honestly, even I was surprised to hear how most of these stations are almost completely identical to one another.
SoulCrusher said:To this day, I still can't get over the amount of Top 40 stations on the FM dial..... I'm talking about stations like 94.3 The Point, WAYV, and SoJo, to name just a few examples.
It's ok, in a few months 94.3 will be WIBG in a large portion of Ocean County...
JerseyShor said:SoulCrusher said:To this day, I still can't get over the amount of Top 40 stations on the FM dial..... I'm talking about stations like 94.3 The Point, WAYV, and SoJo, to name just a few examples.
It's ok, in a few months 94.3 will be WIBG in a large portion of Ocean County...
I'm so tired of hearing about this WIBG station... here's what I want everyone to do.. if you are reading this... drive to Avalon, tune in 94.3 for an hour... now... after this hour you have a choice.. listen to WIBG for another hour or punch yourself in the face for an hour... then all the people who chose to listen to WIBG for another hour, please post and explain your irrational behavior.
Mine as well:
1. Q102
2. Wired 96.5
3. 99.3 Kiss-FM
4. Hit 106.5
5. SoJo 104.9
6. WAYV
And for those who debate whether 5 and 6 should be included ... take a listen to them again. Both sound a heck of a lot like CHRs to me. Maybe they're not playing Soulja Boy, but they have far more similarities than differences to the other four.
As far as the stations that I was able to get playlist samples of (1-4) ... what's the difference? Why do we need all of these stations playing the exact same thing? When there's all these format holes in the area, why must we be able to fill an entire group of presets with the same format?
I still think Press Communications dropping G Rock was an incredibly stupid move. I don't see how having stations that are identical to other stations that reach Monmouth/Ocean loud and clear is going to lead to improved ratings. The only songs they play that you might not be able to hear anywhere else are from long forgotten acts whose albums flood bargain bins now, like Alice Deejay, Sonique and Ghost Town DJs. Oh yeah - that and the "Benny Fun-Time Dance Party Hour At 5", which I could listen to while styling my hair cruisin' down to the Jersey Shore in my IROC-Z.
The problem was not the Alternative format - it was the lack of passion for the format from management at Press. The constant tinkering, revolving door PDs, taking liberties with the format (Avril Lavigne, Pink, Maroon 5, John Mayer, Michelle Branch, etc. NEVER belonged on Alternative), the sudden dismissal of personalities Brian Phillips, Jen Ursillo and Brian Zanyor, inadequate promotion of the 98.5 to 106.5 frequency change and the new and improved G Rock, and finally dropping a format that ran for 24 years without warning anyone ... that all proves that management hated the format and didn't do everything in their power to make it work.
If you have passion and determination to make something succeed, it will. WFNX in Boston is not pulling stellar ratings, but their management cares about the Alternative format and they have found a way to keep the station profitable. Likewise, Monmouth/Ocean's own 105.7 The Hawk has never been a ratings player despite its killer signal, but Millennium is driven and dedicated and they seem to be making money with it.
At the end of the day, it should be obvious to anyone that Press hadn't exhausted all their options to make money with G Rock. It was management's blatant lack of passion for the format that led them to abandon ship so quickly. G Rock was a station that spanned demos and was listened to by people of all ages and socioeconomic groups. In a market where the male radio audience is woefully underserved, it was an oasis for those of who prefer intelligent music over Nickelback and AC/DC (and believe me, there are much more of us than you think).
I for one am still highly frustrated and disappointed by this move, because we lost a station that was one of a kind for something a dime a dozen. My hope is that in time, a broadcaster will bring Alternative Rock back to the area and include those very important attributes that Press management lacked: passion, determination and dedication.
1. Q102
2. Wired 96.5
3. 99.3 Kiss-FM
4. Hit 106.5
5. SoJo 104.9
6. WAYV
And for those who debate whether 5 and 6 should be included ... take a listen to them again. Both sound a heck of a lot like CHRs to me. Maybe they're not playing Soulja Boy, but they have far more similarities than differences to the other four.
As far as the stations that I was able to get playlist samples of (1-4) ... what's the difference? Why do we need all of these stations playing the exact same thing? When there's all these format holes in the area, why must we be able to fill an entire group of presets with the same format?
I still think Press Communications dropping G Rock was an incredibly stupid move. I don't see how having stations that are identical to other stations that reach Monmouth/Ocean loud and clear is going to lead to improved ratings. The only songs they play that you might not be able to hear anywhere else are from long forgotten acts whose albums flood bargain bins now, like Alice Deejay, Sonique and Ghost Town DJs. Oh yeah - that and the "Benny Fun-Time Dance Party Hour At 5", which I could listen to while styling my hair cruisin' down to the Jersey Shore in my IROC-Z.
The problem was not the Alternative format - it was the lack of passion for the format from management at Press. The constant tinkering, revolving door PDs, taking liberties with the format (Avril Lavigne, Pink, Maroon 5, John Mayer, Michelle Branch, etc. NEVER belonged on Alternative), the sudden dismissal of personalities Brian Phillips, Jen Ursillo and Brian Zanyor, inadequate promotion of the 98.5 to 106.5 frequency change and the new and improved G Rock, and finally dropping a format that ran for 24 years without warning anyone ... that all proves that management hated the format and didn't do everything in their power to make it work.
If you have passion and determination to make something succeed, it will. WFNX in Boston is not pulling stellar ratings, but their management cares about the Alternative format and they have found a way to keep the station profitable. Likewise, Monmouth/Ocean's own 105.7 The Hawk has never been a ratings player despite its killer signal, but Millennium is driven and dedicated and they seem to be making money with it.
At the end of the day, it should be obvious to anyone that Press hadn't exhausted all their options to make money with G Rock. It was management's blatant lack of passion for the format that led them to abandon ship so quickly. G Rock was a station that spanned demos and was listened to by people of all ages and socioeconomic groups. In a market where the male radio audience is woefully underserved, it was an oasis for those of who prefer intelligent music over Nickelback and AC/DC (and believe me, there are much more of us than you think).
I for one am still highly frustrated and disappointed by this move, because we lost a station that was one of a kind for something a dime a dozen. My hope is that in time, a broadcaster will bring Alternative Rock back to the area and include those very important attributes that Press management lacked: passion, determination and dedication.
Good thing we have 102.7 JSE in South Jersey... but I digress from the point of this thread....
d21ofnj said:Looks like Hit 106 is number .1 according to the Middlesex-Somerset-Union PPM books. As usual, Z is on top of the ratings
And I know for a fact that WHTG puts a good solid signal into much of this area - I was able to pick it up clear as a bell when I attended Rutgers.
Press even actively targets this audience with billboards ... I found one driving up Route 33 in Monroe Twp. not too long ago. And as we can see, the more mass appeal direction is working really well, isn't it?
Either Press is that foolish to think there aren't other Top 40 stations out there, or they're trying to pull the wool over their listener's eyes, what with all the "Finally" branding on the radio and billboards. Yeah, "FINALLY" we can fill our sixth preset with a station that plays the exact same music as the other five.
JerseyShor said:It's ok, in a few months 94.3 will be WIBG in a large portion of Ocean County...
Sorry, but WJLK kicks into Ocean as far as Manahawkin - and that highly directional 6kW at 299 feet HAAT won't do much north of Tuckerton. It will help out greatly in Atlantic City & County, but I wouldnt count on too many Ocean County listeners.
The concept of Wibbage FM is a great one, but they could use a few things here or there to improve the overall sound.
94.3 WILW (to be WIBG-FM) has an application to move north a few exits on the GSP to the WIBG-AM site (which I believe is the old 106.3 WKOE site) and upgrade its power to 6000 watts but with a directional signal to protect 94.3 WJLK along with 94.1 WYSP & 94.5 WPST.....The signal overlap will probably be close to what 106.3 was like years ago between WHTG & WKOE give or take a few miles due to WILW's directional pattern.
bigtom101 said:Sorry, but WJLK kicks into Ocean as far as Manahawkin - and that highly directional 6kW at 299 feet HAAT won't do much north of Tuckerton. It will help out greatly in Atlantic City & County, but I wouldnt count on too many Ocean County listeners.
Sorry, but WJLK's tower is so far removed from Ocean County that every simulation I have run shows WIBG being solid north to Barnegat and fighting WJLK as far north as South Toms River.
JerseyShor said:bigtom101 said:Sorry, but WJLK kicks into Ocean as far as Manahawkin - and that highly directional 6kW at 299 feet HAAT won't do much north of Tuckerton. It will help out greatly in Atlantic City & County, but I wouldnt count on too many Ocean County listeners.
Sorry, but WJLK's tower is so far removed from Ocean County that every simulation I have run shows WIBG being solid north to Barnegat and fighting WJLK as far north as South Toms River.
You show 94.3 WILW (WIBG-FM) with a signal in Barnegat???? I can't pick it up in Brigantine.. or are you assuming the application to move the tower is going to be approved? and even then, I don't see it reaching Barnegat... if that were the case then wouldn't you be able to pick up WTKU up there?
Up_N_Down_The_Dial said:You show 94.3 WILW (WIBG-FM) with a signal in Barnegat???? I can't pick it up in Brigantine.. or are you assuming the application to move the tower is going to be approved? and even then, I don't see it reaching Barnegat... if that were the case then wouldn't you be able to pick up WTKU up there?
Once the application is approved and built out.
You can pick up WTKU just fine when WKMK at 98.5 is off the air.
JerseyShor said:bigtom101 said:Sorry, but WJLK kicks into Ocean as far as Manahawkin - and that highly directional 6kW at 299 feet HAAT won't do much north of Tuckerton. It will help out greatly in Atlantic City & County, but I wouldnt count on too many Ocean County listeners.
Sorry, but WJLK's tower is so far removed from Ocean County that every simulation I have run shows WIBG being solid north to Barnegat and fighting WJLK as far north as South Toms River.
As an aside, I get MGQ fighting it out with TKU in Barnegat, but your mileage may vary. This is with a Visteon HD Jump, and a nice whip antenna with ground radials - not the usual car stereo setup. Apples and oranges, but just sayin'. What simulation has WILW/WIBG kicking as far north as S. TR? The FCC maps show that the protected contour is from AC to North Wildwood under the construction permit - hitting Barnegat with a listenable signal (outside of a DSP based tuner) seems to be a stretch, and S. TR even more so. JLK' stick may be at 105 on the Parkway, but its at 499 feet HAAT vs. WILW/WIBG 299. More power to them if they can squeeze that kind of range out of it, but it will most likely end up like the 101.1 situation in Central Jersey - a pain to get either one. I can be on 287 within CBS-FM's protected contour and B101 will simply slam it, even out of DX season.
I'm not saying that you are wrong, but from what I can see (and have experienced), I don't think they can get that kind of range. But you may be privy to more data than I am, so I'll hold off until they get the thing on the air and I can judge for myself.
The midpoint between milepost 22 and 105 is about 63, so all things being equal, the crossover would be about in Manahawkin. Of course things aren't quite equal, with JLK higher, but ILW proposed to be 6 KW to the northeast. While height gives better coverage, power causes more interference. So probably 10 miles either side of 63 would be a mess in a lot of places on a lot of days.
The old 106.3 (WHTG) - 106.3 (WKOE) fight in Ocean County would probably be the best predictor of what would happen. What was that like?
The old 106.3 (WHTG) - 106.3 (WKOE) fight in Ocean County would probably be the best predictor of what would happen. What was that like?
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