Smooth Jazz 106.5 Gone

[rpccomputers]

In that case Hot 102.9 would probably become the CHR..they would be by default anyway. I don't see anyone else going that direction.

If Hot102.9 would play newer rock and pop along with the current HipHop & R&B it would be a great station, their signal is very strong in the entire miami valley, The imaging is excellent, the audio quality is out of the world excellent, I really wish they would play more than just HipHop & R&B off the Top40 chart.

 

[lovejamminoldies]

I have to disagree! The signal is excellent, but the imaging and audio quality is poor! They don't segue, their fades are horrible and lately they have been more Urban-sounding than Rhythmic. Yeah, they play rhythmic titles, but also definitely the Urban ones. I think Hot 1029 should be more like Wild 939 in Lima.

 

[rpccomputers]

I have to disagree! The signal is excellent, but the imaging and audio quality is poor! They don't segue, their fades are horrible and lately they have been more Urban-sounding than Rhythmic. Yeah, they play rhythmic titles, but also definitely the Urban ones. I think Hot 1029 should be more like Wild 939 in Lima.

Back before Mainline took over the Radio One cluster Hot 102.9 sounded excellent, and that is the last time I have even tuned in to 102.9...
since I really don't prefer Hip-Hop, R&B, And Urban music.

I do have to agree 110% that 102.9 should be like Wild 93.9 in Lima, when compared to 102.9 and 94.5 Wild 93.9 is superior in all ways... Imaging, Audio Quality, Good Fades, excellent audio processing, etc...

 

[KevinFodor]

I have to disagree! The signal is excellent, but the imaging and audio quality is poor! They don't segue, their fades are horrible and lately they have been more Urban-sounding than Rhythmic. Yeah, they play rhythmic titles, but also definitely the Urban ones. I think Hot 1029 should be more like Wild 939 in Lima.

Back before Mainline took over the Radio One cluster Hot 102.9 sounded excellent, and that is the last time I have even tuned in to 102.9...
since I really don't prefer Hip-Hop, R&B, And Urban music.

I do have to agree 110% that 102.9 should be like Wild 93.9 in Lima, when compared to 102.9 and 94.5 Wild 93.9 is superior in all ways... Imaging, Audio Quality, Good Fades, excellent audio processing, etc...

Radio One - or Mainline, Hot rarely, if ever, changes its' liners. Most of the jocks (past the morning show) are liner card readers with little, if any real personality...though I credit Party Man at night for being creative. The imaging is serviceable, but I've heard better in Dayton in years gone past. Like, say...Z-93 in 1990. But, back then, liners could be changed every 24-48 hours if the PD so desired. And, he often did. Hot just seems like it's stuck on "autopilot", from a programming perspective.

That having been said, Hot could be developed into a powerhouse CHR. But, that takes $$$$$$$...something the present owners haven't really shown much of a gumption for since the launch of Fly 92-9.

 

[KevinFodor]

If 94.5 is sold and dumps CHR/Pop in the process, someone else in the Dayton market would almost have to pick up the format. It's shocking that in this day in age where NYC and LAX(Among other cities)have TWO CHRs that Dayton may end up with ZERO. :'(

Alans - woah! Let's have a reality check here.

NYC and LA are markets of MILLIONS in cume. The cume of the Dayton market is barely 860,000 total. Two CHR's is a non-starter. Unless you want a situation like you had with Z-93 and 94-5...neither of which broke a 3.5 in 12 plus share. And that barely makes one station money. A city the size of Dayton has room for one, good, well-run, well-programmed CHR.

I doubt Dayton would end up with no CHR for very long, though it did happen between the time when WTUE dropped top 40 from 1975, until the original Buddy Scott version of WDJX came on the air in, like...1978 or '79. In a case like that, it might make sense for Mainline to go more CHR with Hot 102-9 and give WROU a "hipness" injection (read: hip-hop) after 3 pm.

 

[alans613]

If 94.5 is sold and dumps CHR/Pop in the process, someone else in the Dayton market would almost have to pick up the format. It's shocking that in this day in age where NYC and LAX(Among other cities)have TWO CHRs that Dayton may end up with ZERO. :'(

Alans - woah! Let's have a reality check here.

NYC and LA are markets of MILLIONS in cume. The cume of the Dayton market is barely 860,000 total. Two CHR's is a non-starter. Unless you want a situation like you had with Z-93 and 94-5...neither of which broke a 3.5 in 12 plus share. And that barely makes one station money. A city the size of Dayton has room for one, good, well-run, well-programmed CHR.

You're right...Dayton doesn't really need two CHRs...one will do, but it should be on one of the "big" sticks and not that spotty 94.5 signal. With Z-93 a distant memory, Mainline should just make WROU back into what it was when Ronita Saunders had it(U-92 JAMZ), a straight-ahead Urban, and make Hot 102.9 the powerhouse CHR/Pop it should be. No money would have to be spent...just move Russ Parr to 92.1 and put a CHR/Pop-based satelitte morning show on 102.9. Kidd Kraddick could fit in I would venture to guess.
Yes, Z-93 had EXCELLENT imaging back in 1990...probably some of the best i've ever heard. I have a lot of it on tape, and it is one of my favorite eras in the history of Z-93, a truly great CHR that somewhere along the line lost its swagger later on in the 90s.
Also...Hot has been using the same imaging guy since they launched in August 2001.
IMHO, Hot sounded best from August 2001 till about August 2003.

 

[gr8oldies]

Not to mention there was no CHR in Dayton between the time WDJX ws blown up to become WYMJ (1980?) and the time Z93 took to the air in 1984.

 

[One Who Knows]

Not to mention there was no CHR in Dayton between the time WDJX ws blown up to become WYMJ (1980?) and the time Z93 took to the air in 1984.

However, the CHR position in the market was filled back then...by WVUD.

WDJX actually left CHR in March, 1983. Z-93 debuted in April, 1984. During that one year period, WVUD became "Hit Radio 100", using the "Hitradio" jingle package from Jam Creative Productions.

Though the presentation was more "Hot A/C" (I'm not completely sure that "buzz word" had been invented yet), the station did air the Rick Dees weekly syndicated countdown, played Prince, Madonna and all the usual music avoiding only the hard rock songs.

 

[cincyradio72]

Turn "Hot" into Wild 102.9 playing CHR, then bring U92 back with hip-hop!

 

[lovejamminoldies]

Turn "Hot" into Wild 102.9 playing CHR, then bring U92 back with hip-hop!

Exactly! Wild 102-9 : Dayton's Hit Music! and then bring U92 into the Urban powerhouse it used to be! The People's Station, you'll keep the urban ac listeners, plus you can do the quiet storm at 10pm!

 

[gr8oldies]

U-92 won't be the powerhouse it used to be unless mainline is willing to staff it..and they aren't. U92 did try to be all things to the Urban community which proved to be their downfall. Hot came in and grabbed their young end and the rest is history.

 

[rpccomputers]

U92 (92.1) Don't come in worth a hoot in the northern Miami Valley in towns such as Piqua and Sidney... but Wild 102-9 would be a homerun if Main Line would make the switch to all Top40/CHR and moved the rhythmic to U92.

 

[alans613]

U-92 won't be the powerhouse it used to be unless mainline is willing to staff it..and they aren't. U92 did try to be all things to the Urban community which proved to be their downfall. Hot came in and grabbed their young end and the rest is history.

Radio One destroyed U-92 so they could swoop in and buy it for pennies on the dollar and "own" the Urban market in Dayton...end of story. I will always say it was a victory that bit them in the ass because in the end Radio One ALSO destroyed their own Heritage CHR Z-93 by putting Hot on the air, causing Mainline to end up flipping it because it had been so badly damaged and ignored for years on end by Radio One. :'(

 

[greg.hahn]

I have to disagree! The signal is excellent, but the imaging and audio quality is poor!

Yes it is. In Darke, Mercer, Shelby, Miami, and Auglaize counties. Not so much in Montgomery, Clark, and Greene.

In the downtown 45402 zip, WDSJ has a COMPUTED signal level of 0.81 millivolts. That wouldn't be enough to make it through the walls of the typical office building, and it doesn't even take into account the terrain shileding that makes their actual signal MUCH worse.

By contrast, K99 has a signal level of 187.96 millivolts downtown. I'd imagine you can get it on a few copy machines.

When driving through downtown Dayton and listening to 106.5, my stereo light is off more than it's on. That translates to ZERO in-office listening for 106.5. In Kettering I can't even get my radio's scan button to stop on it. (It stops fine on 95.7 and 96.5.)

They'd be foolish to waste any marketing money on this miserable signal, and no doubt, they won't. And it will never be anything.

 

[techie2]

Clear Channel applied in the 2003 translator window for a CP for a "fill-in" translator on 106.7 to be put on the P&R tower right near 5/3 field. Looks like it's still tied up in a MX group with a couple apps on 107.3. I figure they were going to try to use that to fix the downtown coverage problem.

 

[alans613]

I have to disagree! The signal is excellent, but the imaging and audio quality is poor!

Yes it is. In Darke, Mercer, Shelby, Miami, and Auglaize counties. Not so much in Montgomery, Clark, and Greene.

In the downtown 45402 zip, WDSJ has a COMPUTED signal level of 0.81 millivolts. That wouldn't be enough to make it through the walls of the typical office building, and it doesn't even take into account the terrain shileding that makes their actual signal MUCH worse.

By contrast, K99 has a signal level of 187.96 millivolts downtown. I'd imagine you can get it on a few copy machines.


When driving through downtown Dayton and listening to 106.5, my stereo light is off more than it's on. That translates to ZERO in-office listening for 106.5. In Kettering I can't even get my radio's scan button to stop on it. (It stops fine on 95.7 and 96.5.)

They'd be foolish to waste any marketing money on this miserable signal, and no doubt, they won't. And it will never be anything.

Yesterday while listening to Mix 107.7 I heard them plug the new 106.5 The Bull during every commercial break during AT40 Flashback. They also did this back when 106.5 was "Buckeye Country"/WBKI.
106.5 comes in great-and in stereo-in Clark County. I've never had problems picking it up anywhere in the county.
Also to note...106.5 did over a 3 share back in 05 or 06. I'm sure that had a lot to do with diary placement though.
K-99.1 will ALWAYS be the dominant Country signal in Dayton. No one can-or probably wants to-touch them. They've got that huge signal that reaches everywhere for starters, and they're heritage.

 

[greg.hahn]

Yesterday while listening to Mix 107.7 I heard them plug the new 106.5 The Bull during every commercial break during AT40 Flashback. They also did this back when 106.5 was "Buckeye Country"/WBKI.
106.5 comes rin great-and in stereo-in Clark County. I've never had problems picking it up anywhere in the county.

"It comes in great for me" will never cut it in any kind of ratings battle, and the fact is, The Bull's signal isn't competetive in Clark county.

The Clark county community nearest to the WDSJ transmitter site is New Carlisle. In the 45344 zip, WDSJ has a whopping 0.86 millivolts, not even in the service contour for most stations, and barely in the service contour for a class B. Forget about walkmen, table radios, and many portables. You might get it in a house if you position the antenna just right. But guess what? Most listeners don't bother with that. K99 has a signal strength of 7.53 millivolts in New Carlisle, more than twice the city grade signal of 3.16.

But that's just New Carlisle. The real prize in Clark county is Springfield. K99 covers Springfield with a city grade signal. WDSJ doesn't show up.

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/locate?select=city&city=45502&sid=

But that's because WDSJ is 45 miles from Springfield. Give me a freaking break. That station won't compete in Clark county. Ever.

 

[One Who Knows]

I have to disagree! The signal is excellent, but the imaging and audio quality is poor!

Yes it is. In Darke, Mercer, Shelby, Miami, and Auglaize counties. Not so much in Montgomery, Clark, and Greene.

In the downtown 45402 zip, WDSJ has a COMPUTED signal level of 0.81 millivolts. That wouldn't be enough to make it through the walls of the typical office building, and it doesn't even take into account the terrain shileding that makes their actual signal MUCH worse.

By contrast, K99 has a signal level of 187.96 millivolts downtown. I'd imagine you can get it on a few copy machines.


When driving through downtown Dayton and listening to 106.5, my stereo light is off more than it's on. That translates to ZERO in-office listening for 106.5. In Kettering I can't even get my radio's scan button to stop on it. (It stops fine on 95.7 and 96.5.)

They'd be foolish to waste any marketing money on this miserable signal, and no doubt, they won't. And it will never be anything.

Yesterday while listening to Mix 107.7 I heard them plug the new 106.5 The Bull during every commercial break during AT40 Flashback. They also did this back when 106.5 was "Buckeye Country"/WBKI.
106.5 comes in great-and in stereo-in Clark County. I've never had problems picking it up anywhere in the county.
Also to note...106.5 did over a 3 share back in 05 or 06. I'm sure that had a lot to do with diary placement though.
K-99.1 will ALWAYS be the dominant Country signal in Dayton. No one can-or probably wants to-touch them. They've got that huge signal that reaches everywhere for starters, and they're heritage.

Alans - who's been giving you those numbers...Clear Channel?

The old "Buckeye Country", at times, didn't even show in the Dayton book. Most of the time, it was less than a 1.

 

[alans613]

I have to disagree! The signal is excellent, but the imaging and audio quality is poor!

Yes it is. In Darke, Mercer, Shelby, Miami, and Auglaize counties. Not so much in Montgomery, Clark, and Greene.

In the downtown 45402 zip, WDSJ has a COMPUTED signal level of 0.81 millivolts. That wouldn't be enough to make it through the walls of the typical office building, and it doesn't even take into account the terrain shileding that makes their actual signal MUCH worse.

By contrast, K99 has a signal level of 187.96 millivolts downtown. I'd imagine you can get it on a few copy machines.


When driving through downtown Dayton and listening to 106.5, my stereo light is off more than it's on. That translates to ZERO in-office listening for 106.5. In Kettering I can't even get my radio's scan button to stop on it. (It stops fine on 95.7 and 96.5.)

They'd be foolish to waste any marketing money on this miserable signal, and no doubt, they won't. And it will never be anything.

Yesterday while listening to Mix 107.7 I heard them plug the new 106.5 The Bull during every commercial break during AT40 Flashback. They also did this back when 106.5 was "Buckeye Country"/WBKI.
106.5 comes in great-and in stereo-in Clark County. I've never had problems picking it up anywhere in the county.
Also to note...106.5 did over a 3 share back in 05 or 06. I'm sure that had a lot to do with diary placement though.
K-99.1 will ALWAYS be the dominant Country signal in Dayton. No one can-or probably wants to-touch them. They've got that huge signal that reaches everywhere for starters, and they're heritage.

Alans - who's been giving you those numbers...Clear Channel?

The old "Buckeye Country", at times, didn't even show in the Dayton book. Most of the time, it was less than a 1.

Those ratings came from my memory of looking at the Dayton Ratings over the years. I don't work for Clear Channel nor do I agree with some of the things they do, but I do at least remember once that Smooth Jazz 106.5 was up to a high 2 or a low 3, right below(At the time)Z-93, and I DO NOT work for CC!
I definitely remember Buckeye Country's terrible numbers...I remember it showing at like a 0.9 or an 0.6 at times but never above a 1. That's why I was so surprised that CC went back to Country on 106.5.
Also...I wasn't trying to say someone was right and someone was wrong about the signal reach. All I did was a very unscientific study to see where WDSJ came in in Clark County, in my car and at home. I wasn't looking at radio-locator but using my own research on the signal. I've driven as far as eastern Clark County and never had problems picking it up. I also don't have any kind of fancy antenna setup at home...All I use is the factory "Antenna wire" that came with my stereo receiver. K-99.1 is a great station and will never be touched guaranteed. Also was near Downtown Dayton yesterday and had zero problems picking up 106.5.

 

[tashamaxwell]

I don't like them putting smooth jazz on Lite 99.9. It doesn't belong on the station. I'd rather hear some new music or other programs. Why did they do that. If it failed on one station would it fail on another?