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Smooth Jazz out, but who's in?????

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hadenough

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VERY possibly not true, but I've heard from 2 sources -- one at CBS and one from the agency world -- that Smooth Jazz will flip at the end of October. Supposedly, and again I am not certain but I'm passing it on, they were going to do JACK (or a close approximation) but then Cumulus beat them to it. I hear that what few living creatures existed to service that station have been slated for termination, and the company is now foraging for a different format.

Funky Larry Jones said that place was a morgue when he left for KROI. Good riddens, Uncle Funky, you've done great at Praise 92.1!!!!!
 
A "Jack" format on 95.7 would have been much preferable to "Movin." Is something "Fresh" headed there?

I used to really enjoy "The Wave", but the playlist is stale. Perhaps 80% of what they play are tunes I grew sick and tired of long ago.
 
Riddens? Not to be confused with 'riddance.' (The bastardization of the English language continues)

The 'stale' music which Mediafrog refers, is the research driven programming. I really loved being on the air at The Wave, however I felt that staleness long ago. If you say anything, you are reminded of what the research tells them. There is nothing that anyone on the air can do about it.

I've heard from sources The Wave is healthy money-wise and will not change. Just who are these sources from where you have heard this information? Just who are these sources from where I have heard this information? The question is the same for both of us. Many sources are based on speculation and rumors spoken within the walls of any entity.

Many here want The Wave to fail because they don't like the format! Their opinions are subjective and not objective. I want The Wave to succeed. My opinion is subjective. Can it fail? Oh yes! However, there is time to save it. ADD more variety. Combine the research with good old gut feeling about the music. Just my opinion and yes, it is subjective.
 
I believe it's time to get "Fresh"! Only if KHJZ gets its way. It'll might take on KODA (Sunny 99.1)-The King of Workday Music Radio. Also look for this station to get call letters, and I think your right-Fresh does sound a whole lot like Movin' because when CBS flipped KOAI to this format, It went down to the ground, and frustrated Dallasites wished they have The Oasis back. Smooth Jazz does put people to sleep, when it's mixed with R&B & Soft AC. So It has been very good, but It's to move on. After all, It's business.
 
You can check out the NYC incarnation of "Fresh" at http://www.fresh1027.com/ They stream, and if you check the drop-down menu under "music" you can access a playlist for the past several hours.

There is some crossover with what you would find on KODA and to a lesser degree on KHJZ, but overall a much different sound. Might be a nice alternative for the "Sunny" audience.

Wonder if the Cox folks might be mulling over something similar, to beat CBS to the punch? Or has the improved showing of KHPT with the PPMs put off any flip there?
 
Mediafrog+ said:
You can check out the NYC incarnation of "Fresh" at http://www.fresh1027.com/ They stream, and if you check the drop-down menu under "music" you can access a playlist for the past several hours.

There is some crossover with what you would find on KODA and to a lesser degree on KHJZ, but overall a much different sound. Might be a nice alternative for the "Sunny" audience.

Wonder if the Cox folks might be mulling over something similar, to beat CBS to the punch? Or has the improved showing of KHPT with the PPMs put off any flip there?
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They haven't been considering any changes to KHPT since '04. I recently heard they were fairly pleased with where the point was at right now. However they are tweaking the playlist to play more 90s and less 70s.
 
Besides I know that here in houston there are alot of Jazz fans, Alot of African Americans like Jazz, not all of them like rap, or hip-hop. So I think every race has a right to have their own station.
 
???

Going by Typical Racial Stereotypes I see. :-\

So what you are trying to say is that you think every race should have their own Radio Station? Even the 0.06% of Pacific Islanders that live in Houston? That would not be the smartest idea for someone who is trying to make money!
 
-juan- said:
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Going by Typical Racial Stereotypes I see. :-\

So what you are trying to say is that you think every race should have their own Radio Station? Even the 0.06% of Pacific Islanders that live in Houston? That would not be the smartest idea for someone who is trying to make money!
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I mean come does everything have to do with money??
 
mrtexmex2007 said:
-juan- said:
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Going by Typical Racial Stereotypes I see. :-\

So what you are trying to say is that you think every race should have their own Radio Station? Even the 0.06% of Pacific Islanders that live in Houston? That would not be the smartest idea for someone who is trying to make money!
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I mean come does everything have to do with money??
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Yes! Nothing is free in this world. Why would someone broadcast in a commercial station to not make money ???? That would be dumb. It's like saying sailors should sail in land instead of sailing in water.
 
I'm just gonna sit over here in this corner and giggle.
 
mrtexmex2007 said:
Besides I know that here in houston there are alot of Jazz fans, Alot of African Americans like Jazz, not all of them like rap, or hip-hop. So I think every race has a right to have their own station.
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I personally agree with you, A lot of them are trying to distant themselves from Rap/Hip-Hop because of its raunchy lyrics (including F-Bombs). No offense, but Majic 102 is STILL The People's Station. I think The Wave will continue to battle between BOTH Sunny & Majic. I'd rather like to hear Steve Harvey on The Wave than Brian McKnight. I, too don't like Rap myself because it talks about having sex with Non African-American Females (Think Anna Nicole), and trying to live the good life of easy living (Think Tiger Woods), and being more power of having more money (Think Mr. Trump)
 
Can it fail? Oh yes! However, there is time to save it. ADD more variety. Combine the research with good old gut feeling about the music. Just my opinion and yes, it is subjective
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There, then, is the rub. Under the current structure at corporate radio stations the chance of any type of gut feeling or adaptation to the generations that have grown into the demograpic after 1987 is highly unlikely. Fans of pop instrumental music would not believe the amount of cool stuff that is coming out right now, but they will never hear it because when the corporate format plays a recent release, which is a rarity, they pick the slowest and most nondescript song on the CD. Yeah, I want the smooth jazz stations that are consulted by the company that controls the majority of these stations to fail. They have taken every ounce of fascination out of the genre and killed its image, and their research method is narrow focused, irrelevant to the 21st century and not an indicator of actual listener preferences. Besides, people who want to hear oldies are going to go to an actual oldies station if there is one, not settle for a mix of oldies and instrumental covers of oldies. Unfortunately to rise from the ashes there have to be ashes and only when this company takes a few hits on their track record will other players be able to enter the field and bring the format into this century.
 
hadenough said:
VERY possibly not true, but I've heard from 2 sources -- one at CBS and one from the agency world -- that Smooth Jazz will flip at the end of October. Supposedly, and again I am not certain but I'm passing it on, they were going to do JACK (or a close approximation) but then Cumulus beat them to it. I hear that what few living creatures existed to service that station have been slated for termination, and the company is now foraging for a different format.

Funky Larry Jones said that place was a morgue when he left for KROI. Good riddens, Uncle Funky, you've done great at Praise 92.1!!!!!
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What coincidence. CBS flipped 107.5 here in Dallas from Smooth Jazz to MOViN' in October of last year I believe.
 
It hasn't happened as of this post. It would not be a coincidence. Format flips are happening all over the country.
 
This is worse than those people that say the end of the world is always right around the corner. Are there really that many people that don't like 95.7? We've all been reading about how CBS is moments from pulling the trigger on KHJZ for the better part of two years, and every time it turns out to be another load of hog wash.

Fine. I'll play along. My sources at CBS tell me that Ronnie Renfro has holed himself up inside CBS' studios with a paper clip, a rubber band, and a match, threatening to put everyone in management's eye out unless 95.7 is turned over to him so that Great Radio Houston can broadcast its show 24/7. Oh, and smooth jazz will move down to 650.

September 2008, I can see the thread title now. "Smooth Jazz is dead. KHJZ to flip next month." Puhleeeeze.
 
purpledevil said:
This is worse than those people that say the end of the world is always right around the corner. Are there really that many people that don't like 95.7? We've all been reading about how CBS is moments from pulling the trigger on KHJZ for the better part of two years, and every time it turns out to be another load of hog wash.

Fine. I'll play along. My sources at CBS tell me that Ronnie Renfro has holed himself up inside CBS' studios with a paper clip, a rubber band, and a match, threatening to put everyone in management's eye out unless 95.7 is turned over to him so that Great Radio Houston can broadcast its show 24/7. Oh, and smooth jazz will move down to 650.

September 2008, I can see the thread title now. "Smooth Jazz is dead. KHJZ to flip next month." Puhleeeeze.
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Look at it from a business point of view. You are sitting on top of a blow torch and you are not in the top 15 cume nor in the top 15 for demos 18-49 and 25-54. What are you gonna do?

August PPM Houston data (source David Eduardo on radio-info.com)

Ratings:
18-49: KTBZ, KLTN, KRBE, KBXX, KHMX, KODA, KMJQ, KKRW, KOVE, KLOL, KKBQ, KILT, KHPT, KHTC, KTJM.
25-54: KKRW, KTBZ, KLTN, KODA, KMJQ, KHMX, KRBE, KOVE, KHPT, KKBQ, KHTC, KBXX, KILT, KSBJ, KLOL
 
silkpony said:
Look at it from a business point of view. You are sitting on top of a blow torch and you are not in the top 15 cume nor in the top 15 for demos 18-49 and 25-54. What are you gonna do?

August PPM Houston data (source David Eduardo on radio-info.com)

Ratings:
18-49: KTBZ, KLTN, KRBE, KBXX, KHMX, KODA, KMJQ, KKRW, KOVE, KLOL, KKBQ, KILT, KHPT, KHTC, KTJM.
25-54: KKRW, KTBZ, KLTN, KODA, KMJQ, KHMX, KRBE, KOVE, KHPT, KKBQ, KHTC, KBXX, KILT, KSBJ, KLOL
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Which is what killed smooth jazz in Dallas and why CBS flipped KOAI to "Movin'" KMVK. KOAI's audience had aged to where it was in the bottom of the top 20 25-54. The problem with the format is that that is happening across the country, which is why the format has been dropped in Dallas, Milwaukee, Portland, etc.

As for speculation CBS is trying to put "Movin'" everywhere, like "Jack": it hasn't. It only has 3 rhythmic AC stations (KOAI, KMVQ San Francisco, KVMX Portland). It hasn't launched any more of them in 2007. In fact, Clear Channel has more of these stations (just not using the "Movin'" name) around the country...Austin, Philly, Denver, Las Vegas, Raleigh, ... CBS launched "Jack" outlets all over the place pretty quickly...LA, New York, Chicago, Dallas, Seattle, Buffalo, San Antonio, Sacramento, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Minneapolis, and Fresno. Only WCBS-FM isn't still around (though CBS has since sold off the clusters in some of the smaller markets).
 
I think that alot of people that listened t 95.7 the wave are starting to listen to 92.1 Praise.
 
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