So what if 92.3 did try dance...again?

[myke25]

What does "PULSE is making tons of money right now, contrary to what people may say. mean?

You got any "specifics" or "facts"?

I've heard of a radio station making "tons" of money ... but that's, like, $30-$50 million a year. That's not Pulse. No where close.

obviously they're not making those figures. whoever thinks pulse is rolling in the dough is terribly mistaken. are they struggling, on the cusp of financial failures? yes. however, in the meantime, let's just enjoy it while we have it or until 92.3 or 101.9 come to their senses and get Pulse on a full FM. It wouldn't hurt to try, right?

 

[TonySantiago]

I wouldn't call a new station "Pulse", but I still stand by my stance that if a dance/rhythmic station above 92 with a strong signal were to happen, it would be in the TOP 5! At the very LEAST, a 3.5 on the PPM.

 

[andreajesus]

I wouldn't call a new station "Pulse", but I still stand by my stance that if a dance/rhythmic station above 92 with a strong signal were to happen, it would be in the TOP 5! At the very LEAST, a 3.5 on the PPM.

In the FIRST book?? From your mouth to God's ears, Tony... 8)

 

[TonySantiago]

I wouldn't call a new station "Pulse", but I still stand by my stance that if a dance/rhythmic station above 92 with a strong signal were to happen, it would be in the TOP 5! At the very LEAST, a 3.5 on the PPM.

In the FIRST book?? From your mouth to God's ears, Tony... 8)

It's a risky call but I'm going to "go there!" As long as the signal can reach all over.

 

[andreajesus]

I wouldn't call a new station "Pulse", but I still stand by my stance that if a dance/rhythmic station above 92 with a strong signal were to happen, it would be in the TOP 5! At the very LEAST, a 3.5 on the PPM.

In the FIRST book?? From your mouth to God's ears, Tony... 8)

It's a risky call but I'm going to "go there!" As long as the signal can reach all over.

Sounds good to me, Tony - i'll be there cheering you on WHEN it happens...

Andrea

 

[Caveman]

That's what we need. Another station playing crap "music" by no-talents that can't play instruments, wear trendy clothes, and lip sync. Suuuuuuuper!

 

[TonySantiago]

That's what we need. Another station playing crap "music" by no-talents that can't play instruments, wear trendy clothes, and lip sync. Suuuuuuuper!

So, does that mean you'll be tuning in?? ;D

 

[andreajesus]

i hope he does...
(by the way, i've actually been able to get Pulse 87 on my little MP3 Radio - WOW!!)

Andrea

 

[djriddler]

I wouldn't call a new station "Pulse", but I still stand by my stance that if a dance/rhythmic station above 92 with a strong signal were to happen, it would be in the TOP 5! At the very LEAST, a 3.5 on the PPM.

I believe KTU tried that already. If it was working, we'd still be doing it.

 

[TonySantiago]

I wouldn't call a new station "Pulse", but I still stand by my stance that if a dance/rhythmic station above 92 with a strong signal were to happen, it would be in the TOP 5! At the very LEAST, a 3.5 on the PPM.

I believe KTU tried that already. If it was working, we'd still be doing it.

DJ Riddler,

I know you're there now at 'KTU (and to that I thank you since no one at PULSE is speaking out in here! >: ) so for what it's worth, how the ratings are now is what it is since the station is rhythmic A/C. So to that, I'm not knocking on 'KTU because frankly, the station doesn't really serve me and is "technically" a different format than Pulse.

But I'll call it for the past, for the gist of the argument here......'KTU did NOT do enough during the 1996 - 2006 period for currents. That was the BIG problem that most dance fans had with the station; I kept getting feedback on this. For the purposes of its target demos (25-54 women), yeah 'KTU served well with the "MacArthur Park", "Stayin' Alive", "I Will Survive", and the late 80s/early 90s freestyle. But for what few currents the station did play, they were either "late in the game" or "dropped the ball altogether". The currents DID intensify after 8PM, but not that much. But remembering the past, the BIGGEST complaints had to do with not enough current dance. There was actually a moment during that time when 'KTU was SO HEAVY on the freestyle classics (around 2000), I could have sworn it was Hot 103 in 1988! So to that, 'KTU did somewhat of a shot but it wasn't a full "try".

Let's face it....CC is known for playing things "safe". And that's what is getting the industry in trouble today. Of course with the economy the way it is, NO ONE wants to take any chances now. However, for what it's worth, a format mainly 85% current dance CAN work. It's just a matter of implementation and letting someone who is familiar with the sound get some sort of "free reign" in terms of designing the format to its maximum potential, for the sound of the station as well as ad billings.

I do realize that Pulse 87 may be considered a non-factor for 'KTU because of its lousy location and lousy signal. But I still stand strong that if such a station had a frequency above 92 and a strong signal, it could dominate. People wanted currents! Nothing wrong with a past track here or there....it just can't be 1988. To that, I must say that Pulse 87 is actually scaring me with the intensity of classic freestyle being played as of late. Not picking on freestyle, per se, but if freestyle is THAT popular and something like "Hell No" came around along with other quality tracks, then lean more on that and let the past era go.

And let's open up on some house or trance for that matter. I know electro is the popular sound of now, but a little sprinkle of house or trance can't hurt.

Thanks,

 

[neo11]

I wouldn't call a new station "Pulse", but I still stand by my stance that if a dance/rhythmic station above 92 with a strong signal were to happen, it would be in the TOP 5! At the very LEAST, a 3.5 on the PPM.

I believe KTU tried that already. If it was working, we'd still be doing it.

KTU never did that. From the start it always seemed that older dance cuts were being played more often than any new music. And over the year's that continued and grown even more, to the point where you would hear the Eurythmics or Duran Duran on KTU.

 

[djriddler]

I wouldn't call a new station "Pulse", but I still stand by my stance that if a dance/rhythmic station above 92 with a strong signal were to happen, it would be in the TOP 5! At the very LEAST, a 3.5 on the PPM.

I believe KTU tried that already. If it was working, we'd still be doing it.

DJ Riddler,

I know you're there now at 'KTU (and to that I thank you since no one at PULSE is speaking out in here! >: ) so for what it's worth, how the ratings are now is what it is since the station is rhythmic A/C. So to that, I'm not knocking on 'KTU because frankly, the station doesn't really serve me and is "technically" a different format than Pulse.

But I'll call it for the past, for the gist of the argument here......'KTU did NOT do enough during the 1996 - 2006 period for currents. That was the BIG problem that most dance fans had with the station; I kept getting feedback on this. For the purposes of its target demos (25-54 women), yeah 'KTU served well with the "MacArthur Park", "Stayin' Alive", "I Will Survive", and the late 80s/early 90s freestyle. But for what few currents the station did play, they were either "late in the game" or "dropped the ball altogether". The currents DID intensify after 8PM, but not that much. But remembering the past, the BIGGEST complaints had to do with not enough current dance. There was actually a moment during that time when 'KTU was SO HEAVY on the freestyle classics (around 2000), I could have sworn it was Hot 103 in 1988! So to that, 'KTU did somewhat of a shot but it wasn't a full "try".

Let's face it....CC is known for playing things "safe". And that's what is getting the industry in trouble today. Of course with the economy the way it is, NO ONE wants to take any chances now. However, for what it's worth, a format mainly 85% current dance CAN work. It's just a matter of implementation and letting someone who is familiar with the sound get some sort of "free reign" in terms of designing the format to its maximum potential, for the sound of the station as well as ad billings.

I do realize that Pulse 87 may be considered a non-factor for 'KTU because of its lousy location and lousy signal. But I still stand strong that if such a station had a frequency above 92 and a strong signal, it could dominate. People wanted currents! Nothing wrong with a past track here or there....it just can't be 1988. To that, I must say that Pulse 87 is actually scaring me with the intensity of classic freestyle being played as of late. Not picking on freestyle, per se, but if freestyle is THAT popular and something like "Hell No" came around along with other quality tracks, then lean more on that and let the past era go.

And let's open up on some house or trance for that matter. I know electro is the popular sound of now, but a little sprinkle of house or trance can't hurt.

Thanks,

Tony...
I was at KTU since 2000 and prior to that at Z100 playing dance music on Planet Z every saturday night. There was a time at KTU where we were playing the current hits from Tiesto, Armin, BT, along with local NY artists like Lucas, Kim Sozzi(which I produced), Reina, and the list goes on and on. KTU under Jeff Z and Skyy was the most progressive a dance station could get with CC. We even had over 80 hours of mixshow programming weekly which the djs were allowed to play whatever they wanted. Where was the NY support then? Where was the support from all the dance music fans? All they could do is complain and bitch. The numbers reflected as well. That format didn't work for us which is why KTU changed yet again. The numbers don't lie. Look at KTU's numbers then and look at them now.

As a DJ and fan of dance music, yea it's not the same DJing on KTU then before. However, I can tell you that I enjoy my mix time every Saturday from 10pm-Midnight very much. My numbers are better now than they have every been at KTU. I have more listeners and more exposure. So I have no complaints. Do I miss playing and breaking new music - yes, but I have other outlets to do that as well like at the clubs, podcasts, and syndicated mixshows that i have.

I'm just tired of hearing for the past 8 years that KTU hasn't tried to cater to the dance fan. They did whether you want to believe it or not. But KTU is much more than a dance station. Love us or hate us, we aren't going anywhere.

 

[Hardrocker9]

I believe KTU tried that already. If it was working, we'd still be doing it.

If it was done right then they'd still be doing it. Instead it became the OLD beat of ny. 103.5 KTU ,"move while you sleep." Very boring, I can't keep them on for more than 5 mins. Those mixes, are pathetic, I can hear the same thing on BLI. Now Pulse and Party105 that's creative, some talented DJ's there that keep me tuned in throught the house party,deep mixes of hip-hop into house and trance. why would anybody want to dance to the Top40 sound blended? That's suppose to be creative? Gauranteed if Party made the move, back in the day, to Party 92.7, there would have been some serious competition and I beleive KTU would have lost that battle, cause back then they still were a safe dance station, where as Party was cutting edge. The only good thing going for KTU was when Vic was there and he was the only DJ breaking some dance out on his night show.

 

[lalumia]

Vic played "Loud Enough" by yours truly on his KTU show in prime time back in 2004 or was it 2005; he's a good boy....and we were three or four years ahead with that record(think riddler was doing a 9 o clock mix thing, actually...
If I play the music loud enough, you won't hear the sound of the world, falling apart...turn it up...turn it up....turn it up...it's not loud enough...
a few years later everyone from Paris Hilton to DJ Icey jumped onto the 'turn it up angle....Good ole Vic

 

[djriddler]

I believe KTU tried that already. If it was working, we'd still be doing it.

If it was done right then they'd still be doing it. Instead it became the OLD beat of ny. 103.5 KTU ,"move while you sleep." Very boring, I can't keep them on for more than 5 mins. Those mixes, are pathetic, I can hear the same thing on BLI. Now Pulse and Party105 that's creative, some talented DJ's there that keep me tuned in throught the house party,deep mixes of hip-hop into house and trance. why would anybody want to dance to the Top40 sound blended? That's suppose to be creative? Gauranteed if Party made the move, back in the day, to Party 92.7, there would have been some serious competition and I beleive KTU would have lost that battle, cause back then they still were a safe dance station, where as Party was cutting edge. The only good thing going for KTU was when Vic was there and he was the only DJ breaking some dance out on his night show.

You forget I was part of Vic's nightshow and the one that did the mixes during his show helping him break new music. Nevertheless, you aren't in the current demo for KTU anyways so it's pointless to try and explain. Also, it's a different time than 4 years ago.

 

[TonySantiago]

KTU under Jeff Z and Skyy was the most progressive a dance station could get with CC.

I did read your entire post Riddler, but I HAD to quote that part above because that, I felt, was the gist of the problem why 'KTU couldn't go further with the dance format.

It was NEVER a reflection of the on-air personalities that are/were there. It was certainly NOT a reflection on all of you mixshow DJ's (if that was the one thing that made 'KTU, before the tweak, exciting, it was your mixshows as well as others (Johnny Budz). Honestly, it wasn't even a reflection of Frankie Blue, Jeff Z., Andy Shane or Skyy! The big problem wasn't even in NEW YORK! It all came from San Antonio or whatever consultants they have used to monitor the playlists.

The problem then was the MUSIC. Remember, prior to this reincarnation of the classic 'KTU calls, we were used to having a CURRENT based dance station, such as the case with Hot 103/97 and the original 'KTU. Therefore, the "angst" from dance fans came from the fact that a lot of people wanted the currents and not the 2,539,335th run of "I Will Survive" being played as if it was regular rotation. It was also going crazy with the heavy rotation given to classic freestyle too, as if it was 1988 all over again! We were NOT used to a rhythmic station that was 70% classics/30% currents (give or take). At least when Vic Latino came in (totally agree Hardrocker! ), that opened up the playlist a bit based on all you guys (the mixshow DJ's) breaking out new music, albeit only getting heard for the most part on Vic's show as opposed to the other dayparts. So to that, it was more of a "frustration" going on because being New York, we knew better! Granted, if a 'KTU style station broke out in Albany, Syracuse, Hartford, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Columbus, OH....then there would have been minimal to NO complaints because everyone would have loved it figuring, this was as best as it can be for those markets. But, New York....a world "capitol" of dance music with many breakthroughs that happened here...we knew what was up! And while a 'KTU style station did break out in Miami recently with 93.9/MIA (another CC property), Miami is also another market that "knows better" and could do well with a Pulse 87 style dance format (and before we go there.....the only reason why Party 93.1 - WPYM - dropped off was because a rock station there flipped format and an opportunity came up).

Seeing it now, I'm glad things are working out for you! If the change helped improve things for you and the other staffers, then that's great news! For what it's worth, based on the increased numbers with 'KTU, it does demonstrate that there is actually room for TWO rhythmic stations, just so as long as they have differing approaches with the format. The whole 'KTU/Mix 102.7 thing was a nightmare. At least in this case Pulse (and/or Party) leans young and 'KTU leans old. Even though for me being on the older skew, 42, I'd rather hear something current and fresh, figuring that if I wanted to go back to the classics or if 'KTU had something on that I would appreciate, then I'd tune in.

Yes, people complained. It's not that we WANTED to deliberately hate the station. Heck, I had the coalition back in 1993 and we were fighting then for a rhythmic station to come back after Hot 97 flipped to hip-hop. At that time we just wanted more and 'KTU...correcting myself, Clear Channel....COULD have done a bit more. We WANTED that! It wasn't about NOT catering, but not doing enough to what was being catered.

Back to the beginning of the thread, I still hold firm that if a dance station were given a frequency above 92 (not just saying 92.3), with signal strength and all on a normal dial position, it would hit the Top 5. Honestly, it would have to sound like Pulse MINUS the classic freestyle (new freestyle worthy for airplay....okay, but not the 235,312,333th rendition of (insert classic freestyle 80's track and artist here). I really do not see it affecting 'KTU in any way! Pulse/Party fans may not necessarily want to hear Gwen Stefani's "It's My Life" and at the same time, 'KTU core listeners may not necessarily want to hear Ercola feat. Daniella's "Every Word". There may be "even ground" in some areas but with the target audiences, both stations wouldn't get hurt. It would only hurt if both stations did the same thing (classic OR current).

And please don't go anywhere!

 

[andreajesus]

I just think that there is room for dance music on MORE than ONE station in New York these days - "Pulse 92", anybody?? Pulse's music is DIFFERENT enough so that when you turn it on, you INSTANTLY know that it's Pulse and NOT 103.5 (I mean - I even heard Journey's "Don't Stop Believing" on 103.5 the other day and I'm thinking, WHAT??) ???

 

[djriddler]

I just think that there is room for dance music on MORE than ONE station in New York these days - "Pulse 92", anybody?? Pulse's music is DIFFERENT enough so that when you turn it on, you INSTANTLY know that it's Pulse and NOT 103.5 (I mean - I even heard Journey's "Don't Stop Believing" on 103.5 the other day and I'm thinking, WHAT??) ???

No you heard George Lamond's version of "Don't stop believing" - but yea we don't support local dance artists right? :

 

[d21ofnj]

I wouldn't call a new station "Pulse", but I still stand by my stance that if a dance/rhythmic station above 92 with a strong signal were to happen, it would be in the TOP 5! At the very LEAST, a 3.5 on the PPM.

I believe KTU tried that already. If it was working, we'd still be doing it.

DJ Riddler,

I know you're there now at 'KTU (and to that I thank you since no one at PULSE is speaking out in here! >: ) so for what it's worth, how the ratings are now is what it is since the station is rhythmic A/C. So to that, I'm not knocking on 'KTU because frankly, the station doesn't really serve me and is "technically" a different format than Pulse.

But I'll call it for the past, for the gist of the argument here......'KTU did NOT do enough during the 1996 - 2006 period for currents. That was the BIG problem that most dance fans had with the station; I kept getting feedback on this. For the purposes of its target demos (25-54 women), yeah 'KTU served well with the "MacArthur Park", "Stayin' Alive", "I Will Survive", and the late 80s/early 90s freestyle. But for what few currents the station did play, they were either "late in the game" or "dropped the ball altogether". The currents DID intensify after 8PM, but not that much. But remembering the past, the BIGGEST complaints had to do with not enough current dance. There was actually a moment during that time when 'KTU was SO HEAVY on the freestyle classics (around 2000), I could have sworn it was Hot 103 in 1988! So to that, 'KTU did somewhat of a shot but it wasn't a full "try".

Let's face it....CC is known for playing things "safe". And that's what is getting the industry in trouble today. Of course with the economy the way it is, NO ONE wants to take any chances now. However, for what it's worth, a format mainly 85% current dance CAN work. It's just a matter of implementation and letting someone who is familiar with the sound get some sort of "free reign" in terms of designing the format to its maximum potential, for the sound of the station as well as ad billings.

I do realize that Pulse 87 may be considered a non-factor for 'KTU because of its lousy location and lousy signal. But I still stand strong that if such a station had a frequency above 92 and a strong signal, it could dominate. People wanted currents! Nothing wrong with a past track here or there....it just can't be 1988. To that, I must say that Pulse 87 is actually scaring me with the intensity of classic freestyle being played as of late. Not picking on freestyle, per se, but if freestyle is THAT popular and something like "Hell No" came around along with other quality tracks, then lean more on that and let the past era go.

And let's open up on some house or trance for that matter. I know electro is the popular sound of now, but a little sprinkle of house or trance can't hurt.

Thanks,

Tony...
I was at KTU since 2000 and prior to that at Z100 playing dance music on Planet Z every saturday night. There was a time at KTU where we were playing the current hits from Tiesto, Armin, BT, along with local NY artists like Lucas, Kim Sozzi(which I produced), Reina, and the list goes on and on. KTU under Jeff Z and Skyy was the most progressive a dance station could get with CC. We even had over 80 hours of mixshow programming weekly which the djs were allowed to play whatever they wanted. Where was the NY support then? Where was the support from all the dance music fans? All they could do is complain and bitch. The numbers reflected as well. That format didn't work for us which is why KTU changed yet again. The numbers don't lie. Look at KTU's numbers then and look at them now.

As a DJ and fan of dance music, yea it's not the same DJing on KTU then before. However, I can tell you that I enjoy my mix time every Saturday from 10pm-Midnight very much. My numbers are better now than they have every been at KTU. I have more listeners and more exposure. So I have no complaints. Do I miss playing and breaking new music - yes, but I have other outlets to do that as well like at the clubs, podcasts, and syndicated mixshows that i have.

I'm just tired of hearing for the past 8 years that KTU hasn't tried to cater to the dance fan. They did whether you want to believe it or not. But KTU is much more than a dance station. Love us or hate us, we aren't going anywhere.

Alright, here is what I think about this since we're talking about 2000, when I started to get into the dance scene. I was a teen back in 2000, so I'm probaly gonna speak on behalf of the teen demos (14-18) for Tony and all of you wondering why dance wasn't getting good breaks and getting proper airtime. Riddler, I was one of your loyal listeners to Planet Z, it sucks that they pulled the plug, but I can see why. Z-100 back in 2000 wasn't really known to break dance music out, I remember when Z was saturated with hip-hop, and that's what attracted a lot of teens to tune in. I remember being the "outcast" in school because I "dared to be different." Everyone will look at me as if I had 5 heads when I talked about dance music. Hell, I was lucky to squeeze a couple of dance tracks at school parties when I started to dj and not get strange looks. You mentioned that people would call the station and complain about what you and the staff were spinning on rotation. I don't believe it was because people hated it, I believe it was a lot of listeners were "stuck in the fad" of what was big back then, and hip-hop was the biggest target to teen listeners and so many of them liked it and couldn't get enough of it and wanted to hear more. This could be the cause as if why dance wasn't too breaking back in 2000. I am going to admit, I really didn't get into the KTU mixshows back in 2000 because there was material spinning that I didn't know or get into, and what got me into dance more and more was Planet Z, since it was similar to how "The Beat" sounded. Once I got access to the internet, I was able to stream more dance music leaning stations like Party 105, Energy 92.7 & 5 based in Chicago, 99.3 The Buzz in Atlantic City when they sounded similar to KTU. If dance music didn't work in NY, then how did Party 105 stay alive for 10 years, regards of their flip to channelcasting and competing with WBEA "Blaze 101.7" / "101.7 The Beat." Yea, there were issues with other dance outlets like Energy was broke and flipped to Spanish, The Buzz flipped to hip-hop for whatever reason why, but more dance stations came in play and were strong till this day suck as C-89.5 in Seattle, WMPH, Z88.9, Energy 92.7 in San Fran, and Party 93.1 in Miami is back even though it's in HD, and B96 HD-2, and don't forget dance music is back in Chicago on the FM dial thanks to Dance Factory. Now Pulse is taking control and more people are tuning in regards if it's signal is low and weak. Did KTU try their best to cater to dance fans? YES and NO. Yes, as they did try their best to get some good tracks rotating, and No as in when a brand new dance track came to play, it would take KTU two or three months to get it on their playlist. I could be wrong about how things go about at KTU since you were there, but again, this is IMHO. 8)

 

[andreajesus]

I just think that there is room for dance music on MORE than ONE station in New York these days - "Pulse 92", anybody?? Pulse's music is DIFFERENT enough so that when you turn it on, you INSTANTLY know that it's Pulse and NOT 103.5 (I mean - I even heard Journey's "Don't Stop Believing" on 103.5 the other day and I'm thinking, WHAT??) ???

No you heard George Lamond's version of "Don't stop believing" - but yea we don't support local dance artists right? :

i could have sworn that was Journey - I didn't even know that George Lamond had done a remake...but if he did, BRAVO!!