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So what other stations broadcasting from 4TS will be off the air...

Surprised WQXR doesn't use the West Orange site, it would be further away from Hartford and Patchogue. While not much closer with Philly's 106.1
It would still be limited to a B1, and while it would have higher ERP there (since it's a lower HAAT), the distance from Manhattan means the field strength over the core of the city will be much lower, which means 105.9 will struggle even more to be heard against the Empire class Bs that overload most radios in midtown.
 
The problem comes from them being bad broadcasters.
And they are annoyingly arrogant about it.
They didn't used to be, and in isolated cases they aren't. (As an example, listen to the Thursday evening music block on Berkeley's KPFA, and see if it doesn't remind you a bit of late 60's WNEW-FM, assuming you're old enough to remember it.)
They began when radio was still block programmed like a TV stations in the 50's and 60's. People don't listen to half hour and one hour radio shows any more. They have not for over 70 years, in fact. But the Pacifica folks insist in having a schedule that looks like a giant Bingo card, with something like a hundred shows in a week.
 
It would still be limited to a B1, and while it would have higher ERP there (since it's a lower HAAT), the distance from Manhattan means the field strength over the core of the city will be much lower, which means 105.9 will struggle even more to be heard against the Empire class Bs that overload most radios in midtown.
And forget overload... the signal just can't get inside large buildings. We had trouble hearing it in the WCAA studios at 485 Madison (the old CBS location).
 
And they are annoyingly arrogant about it.

They began when radio was still block programmed like a TV stations in the 50's and 60's. People don't listen to half hour and one hour radio shows any more. They have not for over 70 years, in fact. But the Pacifica folks insist in having a schedule that looks like a giant Bingo card, with something like a hundred shows in a week.
Everyone gets their "turn" but it makes for something that's more like a collection of people having their "turn" rather than a "radio station".

And, having been involved at management level at a station similar to this in the past, woe betide you if you try and move the Tuesday 9pm guy to Wednesday 8pm. That slot is his! and you moving him to make way for sports or something is running roughshod over his democratic human rights [continue for 94 minutes]
 
The problem comes from them being bad broadcasters. They didn't used to be, and in isolated cases they aren't. (As an example, listen to the Thursday evening music block on Berkeley's KPFA, and see if it doesn't remind you a bit of late 60's WNEW-FM, assuming you're old enough to remember it.)
Interesting perspective - What else besides block scheduling, poor technical quality, or content that only a handful of people listen to in the market puts them in the category?

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And forget overload... the signal just can't get inside large buildings. We had trouble hearing it in the WCAA studios at 485 Madison (the old CBS location).
Was WBLI ever offered the option of moving to 106.3? If WBLI was on 106.3, would that allow WQXR to increase its power?

Would WQXR be allowed any more power (of course, prorated by the increased antenna height) if they were to transmit from 1WTC?
 
Was WBLI ever offered the option of moving to 106.3? If WBLI was on 106.3, would that allow WQXR to increase its power?

Would WQXR be allowed any more power (of course, prorated by the increased antenna height) if they were to transmit from 1WTC?
It's always up to the station to figure out upgrade possibilities. Nobody "offers" them.

That said: 106.3 wouldn't have worked for WBLI back in the days when the allocation table reserved specific channels for class A stations, because 106.3 was one of those class A channels.

It's too bad, because 106.3 would probably have fit as a class B in Patchogue in the days before docket 80-90. The only problems then might have been WHTG and then-WVIP-FM. (Now there's much more in the way, especially the Connecticut B1 on 106.5)

And even so, Hartford on 105.9 would still have limited the Newark allocation.
 
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And they are annoyingly arrogant about it.

They began when radio was still block programmed like a TV stations in the 50's and 60's. People don't listen to half hour and one hour radio shows any more. They have not for over 70 years, in fact. But the Pacifica folks insist in having a schedule that looks like a giant Bingo card, with something like a hundred shows in a week.
The root cause analysis here is the need to make sure that every constituency involved with a station gets a piece of the action. Aligning programming to a vision that involves having a consistent sound invariably leads to accusations of "selling out".

Might be worth picking up a copy of Lorenzo Milam's Sex and Broadcasting to understand how, the more things change, the more they stay the same. While he was very committed to that style of programming, he also clearly described some of the downsides.
 
The root cause analysis here is the need to make sure that every constituency involved with a station gets a piece of the action. Aligning programming to a vision that involves having a consistent sound invariably leads to accusations of "selling out".
True, because it is apparent from just reading the descriptions of each show and hearing or reading the reports on their board meetings that Pacifica and the content contributors is a broad and seemingly incompatible set of fringe, dissident or contrarian thoughts or movements.

I'm not trying to "dis" them but just observing that what apparently brings them together is the desire or "need" to voice opinions that are rivulets to the mainstream Mississippi rivers of popular opinion. Once you put them together, it seems that nobody agrees with anyone else; it is sorta' like having all the members of NATO go to war with all the other members of NATO... all at once.
Might be worth picking up a copy of Lorenzo Milam's Sex and Broadcasting to understand how, the more things change, the more they stay the same. While he was very committed to that style of programming, he also clearly described some of the downsides.
For an interesting read, here it is: https://worldradiohistory.com/BOOKSHELF-ARH/Business/Sex-and-Broadcasting.o.pdf

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WGLI-FM 103.5 Babylon used to be the FM station for WGLI 1290.

Beck Ross moved 103.5 to Lake Success and sold it for a huge profit. George H. Ross wrote a book about it and his other investments. Martin Beck was his Brother in Law. He was the radio guy of the two. So they needed an FM, so they bought WPAC-FM 106.1 from Metrocom and it became WBLI. I knew the engineer and accountant in Michigan that did all the inventory for the sale. The accountant was my next door neighbor. Metrocom also sold WAPC/WHRF at that time. The GM for Beck Ross, Bill Lee, was so impressed with their professionalism that he offered to hire them to do acquisitions. My neighbor was by that time tired of the craziness of the radio business and didn't like the travel and declined.
 
And forget overload... the signal just can't get inside large buildings. We had trouble hearing it in the WCAA studios at 485 Madison (the old CBS location).
WQXR 105.9 has a better signal in Manhattan than 94.7 the Block. Since 105.9 is from Empire, it’s not affected by the overload from the other Empire signals.
 
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And they are annoyingly arrogant about it.

They began when radio was still block programmed like a TV stations in the 50's and 60's. People don't listen to half hour and one hour radio shows any more. They have not for over 70 years, in fact. But the Pacifica folks insist in having a schedule that looks like a giant Bingo card, with something like a hundred shows in a week.
Side note I love Bingo!
 
Really? How do they do it to make it entertaining?
They don't, they just read the numbers out on air! Each game only lasts a minute or so, though.

It's positively thrilling radio compared to the lengthy death notices read out several times daily. There are often 5-10 minutes of listings of people who are now "at rest" and "family flowers only", etc. It's the most popular slot on some rural Irish stations. "Midwest Radio has been informed of the following deaths..."
 
They don't, they just read the numbers out on air! Each game only lasts a minute or so, though.

It's positively thrilling radio compared to the lengthy death notices read out several times daily. There are often 5-10 minutes of listings of people who are now "at rest" and "family flowers only", etc. It's the most popular slot on some rural Irish stations. "Midwest Radio has been informed of the following deaths..."
Is bingo just being covered? Meaning, can you play along with what is being read on the air? This is a new concept for me.
 
They don't, they just read the numbers out on air! Each game only lasts a minute or so, though.

It's positively thrilling radio compared to the lengthy death notices read out several times daily. There are often 5-10 minutes of listings of people who are now "at rest" and "family flowers only", etc. It's the most popular slot on some rural Irish stations. "Midwest Radio has been informed of the following deaths..."

KCLR in Carlow & Killkenny even has a phone number you can call to hear death announcements
 
Is bingo just being covered? Meaning, can you play along with what is being read on the air? This is a new concept for me.
You buy a bingo book from a local store, and on the air they say "we're using the blue bingo card today, page 32" and then read out the numbers. The listener marks the numbers at home and if they've got a win, they call in and then send in their winning card.
 
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