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So who picks up Imus?
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Citadel employed....610.NMFan said:
Anyone heard rumors of AGM's "Range" ready to flip?
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The Range is going all talk as Talk FM 2.0 (LOL)
Citadel is Hiring Imus SO I predict he will be on a Citadel Station Maybe KTBL that makes the mist sense.
Citadel is Hiring Imus SO I predict he will be on a Citadel Station Maybe KTBL that makes the mist sense.
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Again if they put Imus on 1050, just another sad example that Citadel Southwest management is racist.
Their special immigration report was biased and poor journalism. Yes, Judith, there ARE illegal immigrants in the public schools receiving taxpayer dollars. You didn't need to ask the APS director three times. Judith, there are illegal immigrants in ALL 50 states, and there ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, and ALWAYS WILL BE.
Their special immigration report was biased and poor journalism. Yes, Judith, there ARE illegal immigrants in the public schools receiving taxpayer dollars. You didn't need to ask the APS director three times. Judith, there are illegal immigrants in ALL 50 states, and there ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, and ALWAYS WILL BE.
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Aren't we here to discuss radio?
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"Their special immigration report was biased and poor journalism."
I suppose if you consider facts to be "biased and poor journalism," then your point would be correct. On the other hand, if you like to spin the facts to suit your own bias, then...well...glad somebody ELSE produced that special instead of you.
"Their special immigration report was biased and poor journalism."
I suppose if you consider facts to be "biased and poor journalism," then your point would be correct. On the other hand, if you like to spin the facts to suit your own bias, then...well...glad somebody ELSE produced that special instead of you.
I guess that would leave Juan Velasco of KRST out...as well as Art Ortega who announces all the public affairs programming on KKOB-AM, and who also does countless remotes. Or Michael Jasso, KKOB-AM reporter.
A while back you complained that KKOB wouldn't hire you because you're a lib. Now they're racists. What will your next complaint be? Keep whining and you'll never get a job there. Just a thought.ABQTom said:
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"A while back you complained that KKOB wouldn't hire you because you're a lib. Now they're racists. What will your next complaint be? Keep whining and you'll never get a job there. Just a thought."
Actually I would never accept a job with ABC/Citadel for the ideological factors that I've cited. KKOB didn't even bother to call my references who happen to big name radio personalities. So much for being an EOE EMPLOYER
Actually I would never accept a job with ABC/Citadel for the ideological factors that I've cited. KKOB didn't even bother to call my references who happen to big name radio personalities. So much for being an EOE EMPLOYER
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I don't want to say too much on this, but I do find it odd that in a predominate Hispanic community the Citadel talk stations never have Hispanics hosting their shows.
Absolutely. 770 and 1050 hosts are mostly caucasian, including their syndicated hosts. I've never heard Villanucci or Clark cover topics that disproportionately affect Hispanics such as the state's medical insurance crisis, the low high school graduation rate, etc. KKOB doesn't operate in the public interest whereas 1350 does with liberal shows. That's why listeners go to 1350 and ratings are increasing.
Absolutely. 770 and 1050 hosts are mostly caucasian, including their syndicated hosts. I've never heard Villanucci or Clark cover topics that disproportionately affect Hispanics such as the state's medical insurance crisis, the low high school graduation rate, etc. KKOB doesn't operate in the public interest whereas 1350 does with liberal shows. That's why listeners go to 1350 and ratings are increasing.
You're killing me. Because liberal talkers focus on liberal issues which naturally seek to offer entitlements for the lower class and minorities, they are "serving the public interest"? From a radio point of view, public interest is what the FCC says it is, and that's running PSAs, public affirs programming, maintaining a public file, and keeping a phone line available. If KKOB was so much against the public interest, it wouldn't be #1. If KTBL could program for Hispanics with its city signal and be successful, it would.
From a political perspective, which most of us try to avoid here, the fact that the conservatives you cite steer clear of boring, policy wonkish issues about handing out free stuff and blaming peoples' health problems on the government, does not mean they aren't in the public interest. It means these are liberal issues which of course would be covered on liberal shows. Personally, I'd rather hear how to increase the value of my stock portfolio than how I can get free health insurance because I'm a repressed individual. On a political note (since someone else started it), maybe those who complain about the topics you mention should sock a couple bucks a month in a mutual fund rather than buying booze, cigarettes, and rims for their car.
From a political perspective, which most of us try to avoid here, the fact that the conservatives you cite steer clear of boring, policy wonkish issues about handing out free stuff and blaming peoples' health problems on the government, does not mean they aren't in the public interest. It means these are liberal issues which of course would be covered on liberal shows. Personally, I'd rather hear how to increase the value of my stock portfolio than how I can get free health insurance because I'm a repressed individual. On a political note (since someone else started it), maybe those who complain about the topics you mention should sock a couple bucks a month in a mutual fund rather than buying booze, cigarettes, and rims for their car.
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"You're killing me. Because liberal talkers focus on liberal issues which naturally seek to offer entitlements for the lower class and minorities, they are "serving the public interest"? From a radio point of view, public interest is what the FCC says it is, and that's running PSAs, public affirs programming, maintaining a public file, and keeping a phone line available. If KKOB was so much against the public interest, it wouldn't be #1. If KTBL could program for Hispanics with its city signal and be successful, it would."
Oh yeah right, they'll change it. Sure. Citadel will keep both stations conservative forever. You and your buddies Akronite, Baloney, and Ohio Majority radio are ultra right wing conservative pests all over these forums who have no degree of objectivity. I doubt you even know anything about the Albuquerque market or how many people HATE KKOB's ideology and never listen. KKOB could get a 10 share if they displaced Hannity with Ed Schultz, but Boyce/Jennings will never allow it.
Oh yeah right, they'll change it. Sure. Citadel will keep both stations conservative forever. You and your buddies Akronite, Baloney, and Ohio Majority radio are ultra right wing conservative pests all over these forums who have no degree of objectivity. I doubt you even know anything about the Albuquerque market or how many people HATE KKOB's ideology and never listen. KKOB could get a 10 share if they displaced Hannity with Ed Schultz, but Boyce/Jennings will never allow it.
First of all, I've spent plenty of time in and researching the Albuquerque market. I consulted for several talk stations there and am very familiar with their talk market. Ohio Majority Radio, IIRC, is a campaign to return liberal radio to Ohio, so you'd be wrong there, and Old Akronite (Ohio Media Watch) is as objective as they come. Oh, and I think Brian Maloney is a dope who was rightfully canned from KIRO.
Now that we've got your misconceptions out of the way, you should know that Phil Boyce does not have a stranglehold on KKOB. Hannity moved there over two years ago and has outperformed Dr. Laura's numbers. Ed Schultz does pretty well as does the entire AM 1350 (although there numbers were down from when I was first there 2 years ago). But he wouldn't fit in on 770. The Rush crowd would leave for two hours and then come back. It's been shown that that's how it works. I listen to Ed here and there, but if you're the average listener (ie, not like me surveying the market) you're not going to stick around to hear about how the rich are horrible and don't pay their fair share.
Now let's talk about 1050. It was a veritable Wheel-o-Formats, ending lastly on classic country, before Citadel figured out random nonsense on a marginal AM was never going to make any money. So, they figured, if the station isn't going to make much or any money, we might as well use it to flank KKOB and possibly sell $5 combo spots with KKOB. Hard to do either of those with a Hispanic station, especially since Citadel doesn't have any other Spanish stations in Abq. Besides, just ask David, NM isn't Phoenix or LA; most of the Hispanics are 4th and 5th generation and English-dominant. They are culturally Americans.
I understand the playbook that suggests one should blame a giant conspiracy when their side isn't winning. The fact is I'd love to see liberal talk succeed. If there were enough Eds and Stephanies to fill an entire day, it would probably be closer to happening. But the answer to libtalk is creating a sustainable niche format, not creating an unlistenable blend of conservative/liberal. Hannity is #2 because people listen. If Schultz does well on enough stations, he'll get on better ones, and maybe he can be #2 someday, too.
Now that we've got your misconceptions out of the way, you should know that Phil Boyce does not have a stranglehold on KKOB. Hannity moved there over two years ago and has outperformed Dr. Laura's numbers. Ed Schultz does pretty well as does the entire AM 1350 (although there numbers were down from when I was first there 2 years ago). But he wouldn't fit in on 770. The Rush crowd would leave for two hours and then come back. It's been shown that that's how it works. I listen to Ed here and there, but if you're the average listener (ie, not like me surveying the market) you're not going to stick around to hear about how the rich are horrible and don't pay their fair share.
Now let's talk about 1050. It was a veritable Wheel-o-Formats, ending lastly on classic country, before Citadel figured out random nonsense on a marginal AM was never going to make any money. So, they figured, if the station isn't going to make much or any money, we might as well use it to flank KKOB and possibly sell $5 combo spots with KKOB. Hard to do either of those with a Hispanic station, especially since Citadel doesn't have any other Spanish stations in Abq. Besides, just ask David, NM isn't Phoenix or LA; most of the Hispanics are 4th and 5th generation and English-dominant. They are culturally Americans.
I understand the playbook that suggests one should blame a giant conspiracy when their side isn't winning. The fact is I'd love to see liberal talk succeed. If there were enough Eds and Stephanies to fill an entire day, it would probably be closer to happening. But the answer to libtalk is creating a sustainable niche format, not creating an unlistenable blend of conservative/liberal. Hannity is #2 because people listen. If Schultz does well on enough stations, he'll get on better ones, and maybe he can be #2 someday, too.
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"First of all, I've spent plenty of time in and researching the Albuquerque market. I consulted for several talk stations there and am very familiar with their talk market. Ohio Majority Radio, IIRC, is a campaign to return liberal radio to Ohio, so you'd be wrong there, and Old Akronite (Ohio Media Watch) is as objective as they come. "
Akronite is not objective at all he used to post all over these boards attacking liberal talkers and those of us who work with liberal talkers.
"Now that we've got your misconceptions out of the way, you should know that Phil Boyce does not have a stranglehold on KKOB. Hannity moved there over two years ago and has outperformed Dr. Laura's numbers. Ed Schultz does pretty well as does the entire AM 1350 (although there numbers were down from when I was first there 2 years ago). But he wouldn't fit in on 770. The Rush crowd would leave for two hours and then come back. It's been shown that that's how it works."
Where? KIRO, KGO, liberals and conservatives, with 5-6 shares. I've said the same thing to 7 people since I logged on to this forum a few months ago. Apparently proponents of liberal talk don't pay attention to the success of stations with a mix of ideologies. I've suggested in many posts that Air America stations put Bob Brinker, Bruce Dumont, Dr. Dean Edell on weekends, instead of endless hours of Randi Rhodes. But nobody ever responds. WHAT do YOU think?
"I listen to Ed here and there, but if you're the average listener (ie, not like me surveying the market) you're not going to stick around to hear about how the rich are horrible and don't pay their fair share."
The subject in question like taxes or whatever is not why people listen to talk radio. They listen because it is entertaining. They don't care what the host's political views are. That is why Rush is so successful. Most Americans disagree with him but he's incredibly entertaining.
"Now let's talk about 1050. It was a veritable Wheel-o-Formats, ending lastly on classic country, before Citadel figured out random nonsense on a marginal AM was never going to make any money. So, they figured, if the station isn't going to make much or any money, we might as well use it to flank KKOB and possibly sell $5 combo spots with KKOB. Hard to do either of those with a Hispanic station, especially since Citadel doesn't have any other Spanish stations in Abq. Besides, just ask David, NM isn't Phoenix or LA; most of the Hispanics are 4th and 5th generation and English-dominant. They are culturally Americans."
The three 1050 transmitters are way SSE of Albuquerque way up a rocky hill near the landfill. I've got several photos, it's really weird, with a view of all of albuquerque and the sandias. So they don't have a good signal day or night, esp. at night when a 150kW station from Monterey, Mexico comes in on 1050kHz.
"But the answer to libtalk is creating a sustainable niche format, not creating an unlistenable blend of conservative/liberal."
Again it's not unlistenable it works in Seattle San Francisco L.A. and elsewhere...
If what you and others keep saying here is true, than Bob Brinker ratings would be dropping due to his recent liberal viewpoints, he has said several times that the War was over Oil and had radical environmentalist oil professor Richard Heinberg on, among many others.
Akronite is not objective at all he used to post all over these boards attacking liberal talkers and those of us who work with liberal talkers.
"Now that we've got your misconceptions out of the way, you should know that Phil Boyce does not have a stranglehold on KKOB. Hannity moved there over two years ago and has outperformed Dr. Laura's numbers. Ed Schultz does pretty well as does the entire AM 1350 (although there numbers were down from when I was first there 2 years ago). But he wouldn't fit in on 770. The Rush crowd would leave for two hours and then come back. It's been shown that that's how it works."
Where? KIRO, KGO, liberals and conservatives, with 5-6 shares. I've said the same thing to 7 people since I logged on to this forum a few months ago. Apparently proponents of liberal talk don't pay attention to the success of stations with a mix of ideologies. I've suggested in many posts that Air America stations put Bob Brinker, Bruce Dumont, Dr. Dean Edell on weekends, instead of endless hours of Randi Rhodes. But nobody ever responds. WHAT do YOU think?
"I listen to Ed here and there, but if you're the average listener (ie, not like me surveying the market) you're not going to stick around to hear about how the rich are horrible and don't pay their fair share."
The subject in question like taxes or whatever is not why people listen to talk radio. They listen because it is entertaining. They don't care what the host's political views are. That is why Rush is so successful. Most Americans disagree with him but he's incredibly entertaining.
"Now let's talk about 1050. It was a veritable Wheel-o-Formats, ending lastly on classic country, before Citadel figured out random nonsense on a marginal AM was never going to make any money. So, they figured, if the station isn't going to make much or any money, we might as well use it to flank KKOB and possibly sell $5 combo spots with KKOB. Hard to do either of those with a Hispanic station, especially since Citadel doesn't have any other Spanish stations in Abq. Besides, just ask David, NM isn't Phoenix or LA; most of the Hispanics are 4th and 5th generation and English-dominant. They are culturally Americans."
The three 1050 transmitters are way SSE of Albuquerque way up a rocky hill near the landfill. I've got several photos, it's really weird, with a view of all of albuquerque and the sandias. So they don't have a good signal day or night, esp. at night when a 150kW station from Monterey, Mexico comes in on 1050kHz.
"But the answer to libtalk is creating a sustainable niche format, not creating an unlistenable blend of conservative/liberal."
Again it's not unlistenable it works in Seattle San Francisco L.A. and elsewhere...
If what you and others keep saying here is true, than Bob Brinker ratings would be dropping due to his recent liberal viewpoints, he has said several times that the War was over Oil and had radical environmentalist oil professor Richard Heinberg on, among many others.
Two things:
- You continue to mentioned KGO and KIRO. If you had new material, we'd have seen it by now. These are two isolated incidents. I could rattle of WLW and say that being live/local 24 hours a day (or close to it) is the way to go. But there are a lot of variables there... just being live and local isn't what makes them #1. There are intangibles. Such intangibles are also part of the equation with your oft-repeated KGO and KIRO example.
- Nobody cares about Bob Brinker. You mention him as if he were the be all and end all of talk hosts. He has some decent clearances, but weekend listenership is dramatically less than during the week, and you are THE only person in the radio business I've heard mention him in several years. He is a non-entity.
You also talk about endless repeats of Randi Rhodes. Yes, many libtalk PDs are lazy, too busy with "more important" clustermates, etc., but so are many conservative talk PDs. PD talent has gone down the tubes. This is why, while I may not be a big fan of his top two creations personally, Phil Boyce should stand out as someone of great talent in today's radio business. Considering now he has much more than WABC on his plate.
I also understand entertainment. I say it here all the time to people like yourself who think ideology is so important. BTW, if you're on the entertainment bandwagon with the rest of us, why do you talk so much about "liberal talk"? Shouldn't it just be entertaining talk? Your problem is that you dig into these extremely niche, obscure topics that brings politics into the equation and opens issues no one pays attention to. Some nobody guest on a weekend financial show has nothing to do with whether the show is entertaining, or, to get to the real core of the issue that you fail to understand, how having an entertaining show translates into listeners which someone then has to turn into revenue.
- You continue to mentioned KGO and KIRO. If you had new material, we'd have seen it by now. These are two isolated incidents. I could rattle of WLW and say that being live/local 24 hours a day (or close to it) is the way to go. But there are a lot of variables there... just being live and local isn't what makes them #1. There are intangibles. Such intangibles are also part of the equation with your oft-repeated KGO and KIRO example.
- Nobody cares about Bob Brinker. You mention him as if he were the be all and end all of talk hosts. He has some decent clearances, but weekend listenership is dramatically less than during the week, and you are THE only person in the radio business I've heard mention him in several years. He is a non-entity.
You also talk about endless repeats of Randi Rhodes. Yes, many libtalk PDs are lazy, too busy with "more important" clustermates, etc., but so are many conservative talk PDs. PD talent has gone down the tubes. This is why, while I may not be a big fan of his top two creations personally, Phil Boyce should stand out as someone of great talent in today's radio business. Considering now he has much more than WABC on his plate.
I also understand entertainment. I say it here all the time to people like yourself who think ideology is so important. BTW, if you're on the entertainment bandwagon with the rest of us, why do you talk so much about "liberal talk"? Shouldn't it just be entertaining talk? Your problem is that you dig into these extremely niche, obscure topics that brings politics into the equation and opens issues no one pays attention to. Some nobody guest on a weekend financial show has nothing to do with whether the show is entertaining, or, to get to the real core of the issue that you fail to understand, how having an entertaining show translates into listeners which someone then has to turn into revenue.
(My OWN Opinion)
Liberal Talk is brutal! Whining annoying voices that screach conspiracy over and over. Even the listeners, conspiracy this and that. Ed was in our studios and he is very "Entertaining" and "Truthful" others bend truths to suit their own agendas. I don't particularly care for either KOB AM or KABQ AM but it is what it is, and if LibTalk is going to work they need to find more Ed's.
Remember talk radio is supposed to have compelling content that explores controversial subjects, so tell me who wins?
Liberal Talk is brutal! Whining annoying voices that screach conspiracy over and over. Even the listeners, conspiracy this and that. Ed was in our studios and he is very "Entertaining" and "Truthful" others bend truths to suit their own agendas. I don't particularly care for either KOB AM or KABQ AM but it is what it is, and if LibTalk is going to work they need to find more Ed's.
Remember talk radio is supposed to have compelling content that explores controversial subjects, so tell me who wins?
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I thought I felt my ears...er...eyes, burning.
I didn't know you moved to ABQ, Tom. Are you building a satellite studio for Bob Brinker, that great syndicated "liberal talk show host" you talk about?
OK, seriously. Since you invoked me, maybe I should provide you with some reminders.
For about the 100th time since you and I have been posting back and forth on this board: Where did I "attack liberal talkers"? And for that matter, since when did you "work with them"? (Posting about them on message boards doesn't count.)
Let me remind you: I don't go after talk radio hosts or listeners over ideology.
I listen to talk radio from all over the political spectrum, save for perhaps the most extreme hosts on either "side". (i.e. I don't listen to the "liberty/patriot" hosts on the right, and I don't log any time with Pacifica on the left.)
One of my favorite talk radio hosts - who I've posted about a lot both here and on the Mighty Blog(tm), is Jones Radio morning liberal host Stephanie Miller. She's an amazingly talented broadcaster, and as I posted back when the current incarnation of national liberal talk radio started losing the head of steam it had for a couple of years, she GETS IT.
It's not about the ideology. It's not about "preaching to the choir" (one reason I haven't listened to Sean Hannity in roughly 2 years).
It's about ENTERTAINMENT.
Say it with me, Tom. ENTERTAINMENT.
I don't listen to Stephanie Miller (now via podcast, since her affiliate here changed format a ways back) for liberal politics. I'm pretty much a moderate. I listen because HER SHOW IS ENTERTAINING.
That bothers some of the "red meat" folks on her side of the political aisle, but it's the only way to get success. And there are plenty of conservative/right leaning folks with the mirror version of the same problem, even after you knock out the 2 dozen Rush Clones still working out there in radio land.
And yes, many of the Air America hosts could learn from Steph, too. For that matter, even Randi Rhodes - the first liberal talk host I'd ever heard (aside from a local afternoon drive host now deceased) - kinda lost much of her way in the entertainment realm, and kind of turned into the left-wing version of Michael Savage when it comes to the "coming unhinged" factor. IMHO - and this could have changed since I last heard her - Randi got a bit too "edgy" and less accessible to the non-red meat crowd when her longtime Florida-based producer went back to that state and left the show.
Is that "attacking liberal hosts"? No. It's telling them that commercial talk radio is an entertainment medium, and the more entertaining/less political-meeting-style they are, the more likely they'll get - shame on me! - listeners.
Oh, and posting on a message board isn't "working with" talk show hosts, as far as I know, unless you happen to be hired to run one of their own official boards.
--OA/OMW
Looks like something I could have written, OA. Didn't Tom live in the Pacific NW?
I too have not listened to Hannity for more than 2 minutes in some time. I don't listen to Miller that much anymore (I'm too lazy to setup my new computer to get her podcast), but she and Beck and examples on each side of how to do a show. If Hannity's schtick works, he should do it. It does work, and if I were programming a station, I'd get him. Actually, I do have some say over programming, but for other reasons, we couldn't get Hannity. But I tried.
I too have not listened to Hannity for more than 2 minutes in some time. I don't listen to Miller that much anymore (I'm too lazy to setup my new computer to get her podcast), but she and Beck and examples on each side of how to do a show. If Hannity's schtick works, he should do it. It does work, and if I were programming a station, I'd get him. Actually, I do have some say over programming, but for other reasons, we couldn't get Hannity. But I tried.
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Crystal ball says Imus in the morning by end of the year
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