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Some GM Pru stations on FM-128 today

There must be work being done on one of the Pru antennas. I noticed that Greater Medias WBOS, WTKK, and WROR appear to be transmitting from their FM-128 backups in Newton. WMJX still appears to be emanating from the Pru.

I could actually get stations like WXRV, WUMB and WATD on my Walkman here in the Somerville/Cambridge areas with the reduction of intermod from the Pru! It reminded me of reception in the area in the early 1990's before GM moved all those transmitters to the Pru. It's amazing how much interference those three signals normally kick out (when combined with the others up there).
 
Maybe they have been blocked out by the secret FBI listening room which is purported to be between the Skywalk and The Top of The Hub Restaurant or relatively the 51'st floor.

> There must be work being done on one of the Pru antennas. I
> noticed that Greater Medias WBOS, WTKK, and WROR appear to
> be transmitting from their FM-128 backups in Newton. WMJX
> still appears to be emanating from the Pru.
>
> I could actually get stations like WXRV, WUMB and WATD on my
> Walkman here in the Somerville/Cambridge areas with the
> reduction of intermod from the Pru! It reminded me of
> reception in the area in the early 1990's before GM moved
> all those transmitters to the Pru. It's amazing how much
> interference those three signals normally kick out (when
> combined with the others up there).
>
 
> There must be work being done on one of the Pru antennas. I
> noticed that Greater Medias WBOS, WTKK, and WROR appear to
> be transmitting from their FM-128 backups in Newton. WMJX
> still appears to be emanating from the Pru.
>
> I could actually get stations like WXRV, WUMB and WATD on my
> Walkman here in the Somerville/Cambridge areas with the
> reduction of intermod from the Pru! It reminded me of
> reception in the area in the early 1990's before GM moved
> all those transmitters to the Pru. It's amazing how much
> interference those three signals normally kick out (when
> combined with the others up there).
>
they're still on their backups as if 9:49pm, no HD either )-:
 
Well THAT explains why BOS disappeard off my Grundig deep inside the Schrafft Center while I was out to lunch . Bummer :-( Yes, I'm THE listener.


> > There must be work being done on one of the Pru antennas.
> I
> > noticed that Greater Medias WBOS, WTKK, and WROR appear to
>
> > be transmitting from their FM-128 backups in Newton.
 
> they're still on their backups as if 9:49pm, no HD either
> )-:
>

I know, it's GREAT!!!! :)<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by jlehmann on 08/26/05 02:22 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> > they're still on their backups as if 9:49pm, no HD either
> > )-:
> >
>
> I know, it's GREAT!!!! :)
>


they are all back now, in crystal clear HD!
 
> > > they're still on their backups as if 9:49pm, no HD
> either
> > > )-:
> > >
> >
> > I know, it's GREAT!!!! :)
> >
>
>
> they are all back now, in crystal clear HD!
>


It does sound great...these folks don't know what they're missing!

-mariner77
 
> > > > they're still on their backups as if 9:49pm, no HD
> > either
> > > > )-:
> > > >
> > >
> > > I know, it's GREAT!!!! :)
> > >
> >
> >
> > they are all back now, in crystal clear HD!
> >
>
>
> It does sound great...these folks don't know what they're
> missing!
>
> -mariner77
>
I bet they'll be multicasting soon ! The could bring back some old formats that aren't around anymore.
 
> > > > > they're still on their backups as if 9:49pm, no HD
> > > either
> > > > > )-:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know, it's GREAT!!!! :)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > they are all back now, in crystal clear HD!
> > >
> >
> >
> > It does sound great...these folks don't know what they're
> > missing!
> >
> > -mariner77
> >
> I bet they'll be multicasting soon ! The could bring back
> some old formats that aren't around anymore.
>


real soon, no doubt! :)
 
> It does sound great...these folks don't know what they're
> missing!

I don't care how it sounds. I don't like it because of the destruction it does to the adjacent frequencies.
 
> > > > > they're still on their backups as if 9:49pm, no HD
> > > either
> > > > > )-:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know, it's GREAT!!!! :)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > they are all back now, in crystal clear HD!
> > >
> >
> >
> > It does sound great...these folks don't know what they're
> > missing!
> >
> > -mariner77
> >
> I bet they'll be multicasting soon ! The could bring back
> some old formats that aren't around anymore.
>

Hey HD....you must have had a tough time while the HD was off...Did you use Viagra to keep it up? Once again I have to ask you why you have such a woody for a flawed technology (IMHO). Don't give me a load of bull about it sounding better either as the same thing was said about Quad back in the 70s. It may actually sound better but I bet a great majority of the listening public could care less...why you ask? Well most people won't be able tell the difference unless they are placed in a soundproof room at Tweeter. Remember a lot people listen to radio in their cars and could give a crap if its in HD or analog. It's quality programming they want....its too bad that most stations can't give them that (I have to laugh at your bringing up multicasting...what makes you think that stations that can barely put a good product on one channel could do any better on multi channels). That's why alot of people like myself will gravitate toward XM or Sirius....The radios are cheaper and the quality in programming is tremendous (yeah...I know you have to pay a monthly subscription...well people said cable TV wouldn't work either for the same reason). No way I'll pony up big bucks for HD radio. Also one more thing about multicasting and programming...When ZLX and BCN turned on their IBOC crap I lost the ability to hear stations that I could normally hear on my Yamaha T-85...Stations that I actually liked and enjoyed (WRCH & WOCN)...I lost my ability to hear WLNH when WUMB turned their IBOC on....I don't like being told (or forced in this case) that I can't listen to a station that I enjoyed...It is wrong!!
 
> > When ZLX and BCN turned
> on their IBOC crap I lost the ability to hear stations that
> I could normally hear on my Yamaha T-85...Stations that I
> actually liked and enjoyed (WRCH & WOCN)...I lost my ability
> to hear WLNH when WUMB turned their IBOC on..
>
That should be WLNG instead of WLNH.....my bad
 
No trouble at all. There are PLENTY of other digital choices on my HD tuner now and they sound way better than anything on satellite. Oh and did I mention that they are free? Multicasting will bring me alot more choices and I don't have to work at pulling in a station from east osh kosh either. If I wanted to listen to that station clearly I'd live there.
 
> No trouble at all. There are PLENTY of other digital choices
> on my HD tuner now and they sound way better than anything
> on satellite. Oh and did I mention that they are free?
> Multicasting will bring me alot more choices and I don't
> have to work at pulling in a station from east osh kosh
> either. If I wanted to listen to that station clearly I'd
> live there.
>
Dude...you must have stock in Ibiquity...you didn't answer my questions at all. The Viagra not working??

Multicasting and HD are NOT FREE...The radios (vaporware for the most part) are expensive and replacing something that is not broken...only the quality of the programming is broken...You don't get it. Let's say I wanted to get a nice HD Tuner (not a boom box version)...From what I've seen they are going to cost me at least $500...So if I buy an XM or Sirius rig it will cost me say $200 (maybe less from what I've seen) and the subscription is around $10 a month..so it will still take over two years for me to hit the cost of an HD radio....In the meantime I'm listening to what I WANT TO HEAR. You didn't read my post or comprehend its meaning at all...Read the part about the analogy between Cable TV and Sat Radio...People will pay for quality programming....Earth bound radio is in trouble (especially on the MW side of things) because the programming isn't holding peoples interest.

Your statement "If I wanted to listen to that station clearly I'd
live there" is a dumb as they get....So what's next if the government tells me I can't read out of town newspapers I'll have to move to that town too??

How old are you anyway...your replies sound like something a teenager would come up...

I may get censured for some of my rant but Dude come up with something of substance other than "It Sounds Great"....All I can think of is Rush Limbaugh or Al Franken and think ...WHO CARES IF THEY SOUND BETTER.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Keith-MA on 08/27/05 04:56 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> > No trouble at all. There are PLENTY of other digital
> choices
> > on my HD tuner now and they sound way better than anything
>
> > on satellite. Oh and did I mention that they are free?
> > Multicasting will bring me alot more choices and I don't
> > have to work at pulling in a station from east osh kosh
> > either. If I wanted to listen to that station clearly I'd
> > live there.
> >
Also I don't have to work at pulling in stations from Oshkosh...I have a simple setup with a Yamaha T-85 tuner and a simple outdoor FM antenna. I pull in many stations at 50-90 miles but will have less and less of those stations to choose from...Dude its about choice!! If I can't get them due to IBOC I will listen either on the internet (if they stream) or listen to something else (commercial free) on Sat radio....
 
> Dude...you must have stock in Ibiquity...you didn't answer
> my questions at all. The Viagra not working??

I'm not sure how to anwer your rant and I don't have stock in Ibiquity.

> Multicasting and HD are NOT FREE...The radios (vaporware for
> the most part) are expensive

Like all good things, give it time.

> and replacing something that is not broken...only the quality of the ?
> programming is broken...

I have no problems with my local programming.

> You don't get it. Let's say I wanted to get a nice
> HD Tuner (not a boom box version)...From what I've seen they
> are going to cost me at least $500...

Sure I do, my HD tuner will never cost me another cent.


> So if I buy an XM or Sirius rig it will cost me say $200 (maybe less from
> what I've seen) and the subscription is around $10 a month..so it
> will still take over two years for me to hit the cost of an
> HD radio....In the meantime I'm listening to what I WANT TO
> HEAR.


Do you actually have one?

> You didn't read my post or comprehend its meaning at
> all...Read the part about the analogy between Cable TV and
> Sat Radio...People will pay for quality programming....Earth
> bound radio is in trouble (especially on the MW side of
> things) because the programming isn't holding peoples
> interest.

Its kinda like cable for your car, sooon to be flooded with infomercials.

I had XM and found that I only listenned to one or two channels. Most of the music channels repeat themselves like clockwork, play very obscure crap, sound like crap due to lossy compression, and drop out under a bridge or tree.
Plus I cant DX satellite radio from other planets.

I cancelled it.


> Your statement "If I wanted to listen to that station
> clearly I'd live there" is a dumb as they get....So what's next if the
> government tells me I can't read out of town newspapers I'll
> have to move to that town too??

I was just saying that cuz I guess I don't understand why someone would want to listen to a distant station talking about distant events, distant news, distant traffic, and distant weather.

What if you won a prize from one of those stations, now you gotta drive very far to get your prize.
>
> How old are you anyway...your replies sound like something a
> teenager would come up...

Old enought to know better..
>
> I may get censured for some of my rant but Dude come up with
> something of substance other than "It Sounds Great"....All I
> can think of is Rush Limbaugh or Al Franken and think ...WHO
> CARES IF THEY SOUND BETTER.

Unlike satellite (where talk stations sound like dial up internet streams) Rush and other talkers soung great!
>
 
> > Dude...you must have stock in Ibiquity...you didn't answer
>
> > my questions at all. The Viagra not working??
>
> I'm not sure how to anwer your rant and I don't have stock
> in Ibiquity.

My Rant was in response to your blind acceptance to HD radio.


> > Multicasting and HD are NOT FREE...The radios (vaporware
> for
> > the most part) are expensive
>
> Like all good things, give it time.

You think its good...I do not.

> > and replacing something that is not broken...only the
> quality of the ?
> > programming is broken...
>
> I have no problems with my local programming.

Good for you...there are many out there who do have a problem with it.
>
> > You don't get it. Let's say I wanted to get a nice
> > HD Tuner (not a boom box version)...From what I've seen
> they
> > are going to cost me at least $500...
>
> Sure I do, my HD tuner will never cost me another cent.

But it will still be delivering the same boring programming that's out there now. I can listen to the same stuff and not have to shell out any more $$ by using my current analog tuner. Also from what I've heard there may be some some sort of encryption on some of the multi casting channels and in order to hear it guess what?? You'll have to pay a fee!! I'll find the link about this (it was talking about NPR stations)
>
>
> > So if I buy an XM or Sirius rig it will cost me say $200
> (maybe less from
> > what I've seen) and the subscription is around $10 a
> month..so it
> > will still take over two years for me to hit the cost of
> an
> > HD radio....In the meantime I'm listening to what I WANT
> TO
> > HEAR.
>
>
> Do you actually have one?
>

Do I actually have an HD radio or a Sat Radio??? Right now I have neither but have been able to listen to many of the streams on XM thru a friends radio and I love it. Some of the specialty programming is wonderful. I plan on buing the new Grundig/Eton E1 XM radio shortly.


> > You didn't read my post or comprehend its meaning at
> > all...Read the part about the analogy between Cable TV and
>
> > Sat Radio...People will pay for quality
> programming....Earth
> > bound radio is in trouble (especially on the MW side of
> > things) because the programming isn't holding peoples
> > interest.
>
> Its kinda like cable for your car, sooon to be flooded with
> infomercials.

Where have you heard this...please post a link? I doubt it. And if that is the case then I will make a decision as to the economics of keeping Sat Radio vs the content.

> I had XM and found that I only listenned to one or two
> channels. Most of the music channels repeat themselves like
> clockwork, play very obscure crap, sound like crap due to
> lossy compression, and drop out under a bridge or tree.
> Plus I cant DX satellite radio from other planets.
>
> I cancelled it.
>
YMMV....I know many people who no longer listen to FM or MW.....


> > Your statement "If I wanted to listen to that station
> > clearly I'd live there" is a dumb as they get....So what's
> next if the
> > government tells me I can't read out of town newspapers
> I'll
> > have to move to that town too??
>
> I was just saying that cuz I guess I don't understand why
> someone would want to listen to a distant station talking
> about distant events, distant news, distant traffic, and
> distant weather.

This statement is even more off the wall than some of your earlier ones....In the paragraph above you talk about DXng...well that's why you want to listen to distant stations..duhhh! I listen to distant stations for two reasons...One is to DX but even more importantly to me I listen to them to broaden my view of the world ..to find out about other people and places and not be subject to the views and thoughts of people from just my local area. There is a wonderful to feel to many stations outside of our market (but I will admit there are just as many bad ones too). If dxng went away I would still seek out listening to distant stations via either the web or thru Sat radio.

Also if you are a dxer do you belong to any dxng clubs? I don't think so since I belong to many and have not seen any posts such as yours praising the virues of HD Radio.

> What if you won a prize from one of those stations, now you
> gotta drive very far to get your prize.

No...wait this statement is even dumber than the last one you made. You have to be kidding.

> > How old are you anyway...your replies sound like something
> a
> > teenager would come up...
>
> Old enought to know better..

What is that supposed to mean....from the previous couple of statements you made I doubt you are older than 18.

> > I may get censured for some of my rant but Dude come up
> with
> > something of substance other than "It Sounds Great"....All
> I
> > can think of is Rush Limbaugh or Al Franken and think
> ...WHO
> > CARES IF THEY SOUND BETTER.
>
> Unlike satellite (where talk stations sound like dial up
> internet streams) Rush and other talkers soung great!
> >

LOL...You just don't get it....ok let's put it this way (something someone of your age and mindset can get a grip on)....If I heard a fart over analog why on earth would I want to listen to it in HD.

Now please go back to your mother's basement...its time for the Cartoons.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Keith-MA on 08/27/05 02:58 PM.</FONT></P>
 
>
> Do I actually have an HD radio or a Sat Radio??? Right now
> I have neither but have been able to listen to many of the
> streams on XM thru a friends radio and I love it. Some of
> the specialty programming is wonderful. I plan on buing the
> new Grundig/Eton E1 XM radio shortly.

When it comes to HD...You shouldn't knock something until you try it; don't just jump on the bandwagon of those who like to complain about anything new or different. Look at how long FM took to catch on...the first FM stations went on in the late '40's. Even though it was much better audio than AM, it still took 20 to 30 years for it to become an accepted, viable medium. HD has been in the works for several years and will be on most major market stations within the next 2 years.

>
> Now please go back to your mother's basement...its time for
> the Cartoons.
>

That's a very mature statement.


--mariner77
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by mariner77 on 08/27/05 02:56 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Does anyone know why they temporarily moved over to 128?<P ID="signature">______________
-I miss the old Rock 101</P>
 
> >
> > Do I actually have an HD radio or a Sat Radio??? Right
> now
> > I have neither but have been able to listen to many of the
>
> > streams on XM thru a friends radio and I love it. Some of
>
> > the specialty programming is wonderful. I plan on buing
> the
> > new Grundig/Eton E1 XM radio shortly.
>
> When it comes to HD...You shouldn't knock something until
> you try it; don't just jump on the bandwagon of those who
> like to complain about anything new or different. Look at
> how long FM took to catch on...the first FM stations went on
> in the late '40's. Even though it was much better audio
> than AM, it still took 20 to 30 years for it to become an
> accepted, viable medium. HD has been in the works for
> several years and will be on most major market stations
> within the next 2 years.
>
> >
> > Now please go back to your mother's basement...its time
> for
> > the Cartoons.
> >
>
> That's a very mature statement.
>
>
> --mariner77
>
First of all that statement was not directed at you. But its kind of sad that you seem fit to agree with someone (HD) who does seem a little immature himself.
If I was immature then I apologize for that...it was born out of frustration.
My problem with him his avoidance of the real questions. I make no bones about that the fact that I was rude and a little overbearing (see my post about being maybe being censured). I'm willing to put up my email and real name....Even though I'm dxer you can see in my previous post its not really about the dxng...its about being put in a position not to be able to hear something I used to hear. For instance late yesterday there was an Eskip opening to South Flordia on FM...during the opening I realized that some stuff from the Bahamas was coming in on a few frequencies. So instead of cruising around for new catches I sat and listened to 107.1 because it was interesting.

Second...My point is that I don't like being told I have buy something new when what I have is not broken. Do you really think that a new technology will fix what is really broken...The pogramming???
Since you are a broadcast engineer you have a vested in interest in HD. I do know many engineers who are against it.

One more thing I would like to point out. You talk about FM taking a long time to catch on and that HD radio is similar. Well in the case of FM it was done on a new band. HD might have got a better reception if it was on a different part of the radio spectrum...IMHO. Even HD TV was moved mostly into UHF.

If you or HD want to continue with this discussion I'll be more than happy to via email (rather than cluttering up the board with my rant). My name is Keith...I live in Hingham MA...I'm a dxer and belong to many radio clubs. My email is [email protected].

73s
 
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