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Songs that didn't get much radio airplay

Re: Songs

> I consider "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys to be a
> "stiff". It only reached #39. Yet the Oldies station in my
> town insisted on playing it regularly.
>

Are you kidding? The Beach Boys "God Only Knows" is one of the best records ever made! The entire "Pet Sounds" LP (from where "God Only Knows" came) was years ahead of its time and was credited by Paul McCartney as the inspiration behind The Beatles epic "Sgt. Peppers" LP!
 
Re: Songs

> >


[I consider "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys to be a
> "stiff". It only reached #39. Yet the Oldies station in my
> town insisted on playing it regularly.]
> >
>
> [Are you kidding? The Beach Boys "God Only Knows" is one of
> the best records ever made! The entire "Pet Sounds" LP
> (from where "God Only Knows" came) was years ahead of its
> time and was credited by Paul McCartney as the inspiration
> behind The Beatles epic "Sgt. Peppers" LP!]
>


Then I guess you'll have to ask the radio guys on this board why Oldies radio never played the ENTIRE Pet Sounds or St. Pepper LPs.
 
My guess

> Then I guess you'll have to ask the radio guys on this board
> why Oldies radio never played the ENTIRE Pet Sounds or St.
> Pepper LPs.

Maybe too "Classic Rock"?<P ID="signature">______________


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Re: My guess

> > Then I guess you'll have to ask the radio guys on this
> board
> > why Oldies radio never played the ENTIRE Pet Sounds or St.
>
> > Pepper LPs.

The days of playing an entire album ended more than 30 years ago when AOR stations started playing "Corporate" or "Stadium" Rock. But the truth of the matter is, these "concept" albums (Pet Sounds/Sgt. Pepper) were the type of works that the geniusses at Capitol Records would say "I don't hear a single" after listening to them. Believe it or not, Sgt. Peppers didn't yield a single Top 40 hit! "God Only Knows" was actually released as the "B" side (not a "Double A") of "Wouldn't It Be Nice." Maybe that's why it only reached #39. Didn't receive the promotional push that the song on the A side received.
 
Re: Songs

> [Are you kidding? The Beach Boys "God Only Knows" is one of
> the best records ever made! The entire "Pet Sounds" LP
> (from where "God Only Knows" came) was years ahead of its
> time and was credited by Paul McCartney as the inspiration
> behind The Beatles epic "Sgt. Peppers" LP!]



Pet Sounds MUST have been years ahead of its time...............it only managed to reach #10 on the Billboard charts. That's not very good for an album that contains "one of the best records ever made". Maybe you're confused between the opinions of the critics and the way the music-buying public actually spent its money. I would hope that Oldies radio would play the songs that the public, not the critics, wants to hear. If the Beach Boys ain't surfin', then they ain't the Beach Boys.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TheFonz on 03/19/06 02:29 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Pet Sounds

I think I remember Rolling Stone calling Pet Sounds the greatest LP in rock and roll history. Did I recall that correctly? I don't pay such close attention to those polls.

>
> Pet Sounds MUST have been years ahead of its
> time...............it only managed to reach #10 on the
> Billboard charts. That's not very good for an album that
> contains "one of the best records ever made". Maybe you're
> confused between the opinions of the critics and the way the
> music-buying public actually spent its money. I would
> hope that Oldies radio would play the songs that the public,
> not the critics, wants to hear. If the Beach Boys ain't
> surfin', then they ain't the Beach Boys.
>
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Re: Songs

> Pet Sounds MUST have been years ahead of its
> time...............it only managed to reach #10 on the
> Billboard charts. That's not very good for an album that
> contains "one of the best records ever made". Maybe you're
> confused between the opinions of the critics and the way the
> music-buying public actually spent its money. I would
> hope that Oldies radio would play the songs that the public,
> not the critics, wants to hear. If the Beach Boys ain't
> surfin', then they ain't the Beach Boys.

So, am I to guess that you don't like "Sloop John B" or "Wouldn't It Be Nice" either? They both came off of "Pet Sounds." People are often resistant to change, especially since The Beach Boys had earned their reputation as a "surf band." The listening public didn't receive the band's "new sound" with great enthusiasm. That's true. That's why Capitol "rushed" out "The Best of The Beach Boys" only two months after the release of "Pet Sounds" as a form of damage control. But make no mistake...."Pet Sounds" IS a great album and "God Only Knows" IS a great record!
 
Re: Songs

> > I consider "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys to be a
> > "stiff". It only reached #39. Yet the Oldies station in
> my
> > town insisted on playing it regularly.
> >
>
> Are you kidding? The Beach Boys "God Only Knows" is one of
> the best records ever made! The entire "Pet Sounds" LP
> (from where "God Only Knows" came) was years ahead of its
> time and was credited by Paul McCartney as the inspiration
> behind The Beatles epic "Sgt. Peppers" LP!

Only made it to #39, huh?

Which shows the fallacy of the shallow POV held
by some that people only want to listen to the
biggest hits.

I prefer listening to a bigger playlist, even
being surprised with songs I haven't heard in 40
years -- if there is such a list! I am never
surprised by the playlist at our oldies station.
It's very boring and predictable.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
"As bad as the Republicans are, the Democrats are worse"... Neal Boortz, 3/16/06</P>
 
what stiffs?

> Go wild all you want. But it's a giant leap to have "400
> overplayed songs" to playing stone stiffs - and, BTW, those
> stiffs include a ton of songs that reached even the top 10
> in their day. A song hitting the top 10 or 20 or even 30 is
> no guarantee any song is relevant TODAY.

relevant TODAY you say?

Not many 1960s songs are RELEVANT today.

That's why they are enjoyable.

I can't speak for all oldies fans, obviously, but
we old farts who love oldies often don't like the crap
and pap and rap that is touted as relevant today.

That's why we prefer oldies -- and would like a
little more variety in it.

Your Top 400 Overplayed Songs are so overplayed that
I rarely listen to the oldies station any more.
Oh, for 400 of the so-called stiffs to be added to
the playlist.

Give me an example of ten of what you'd call stiffs
from, say 1960-65...

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
"As bad as the Republicans are, the Democrats are worse"... Neal Boortz, 3/16/06</P>
 
Re: Songs

> Only made it to #39, huh?
>
> Which shows the fallacy of the shallow POV held
> by some that people only want to listen to the
> biggest hits.
>
> I prefer listening to a bigger playlist, even
> being surprised with songs I haven't heard in 40
> years -- if there is such a list! I am never
> surprised by the playlist at our oldies station.
> It's very boring and predictable.

I agree with you 150%! If you read on in this thread, you'll find a posting by Dave Eduardo, who claims the "Classic Hits/Oldies" stations that he consults have playlists of well over 1,000 songs. I'm not so sure that even the venerable WCBS-FM didn't boast such an expansive library, except maybe during their heyday in the 70's/80's!
 
Re: Songs

> So, am I to guess that you don't like "Sloop John B" or
> "Wouldn't It Be Nice" either? They both came off of "Pet
> Sounds." People are often resistant to change, especially
> since The Beach Boys had earned their reputation as a "surf
> band." The listening public didn't receive the band's "new
> sound" with great enthusiasm. That's true. That's why
> Capitol "rushed" out "The Best of The Beach Boys" only two
> months after the release of "Pet Sounds" as a form of damage
> control. But make no mistake...."Pet Sounds" IS a great
> album and "God Only Knows" IS a great record!
>

It has also stood the test of time quite nicely...much more so than some of their early surf songs. Just try mentioning your woody to anyone under 60 and see what kind of reaction you get.
 
Re: Pet Sounds

>


[I think I remember Rolling Stone calling Pet Sounds the
> greatest LP in rock and roll history. Did I recall that
> correctly? I don't pay such close attention to those polls.]


Actually, they had Sgt. Pepper at #1. Pet Sounds was #2. And you're right about ignoring those polls. It's kinda like going to the movies...............if it won an award at the Cannes Film Festival, avoid it like the plague!
 
Re: Songs

> [Only made it to #39, huh?
>
> Which shows the fallacy of the shallow POV held
> by some that people only want to listen to the
> biggest hits.
>
> I prefer listening to a bigger playlist, even
> being surprised with songs I haven't heard in 40
> years -- if there is such a list! I am never
> surprised by the playlist at our oldies station.
> It's very boring and predictable.]


No argument about that bigger playlist. But I can think of a whole lot of songs that charted higher than God Only Knows and are never heard on terrestrial radio. Let's get THEM on that playlist first.
 
Re: Songs

> > [Only made it to #39, huh?
> >
> > Which shows the fallacy of the shallow POV held
> > by some that people only want to listen to the
> > biggest hits.
> >
> > I prefer listening to a bigger playlist, even
> > being surprised with songs I haven't heard in 40
> > years -- if there is such a list! I am never
> > surprised by the playlist at our oldies station.
> > It's very boring and predictable.]
>
>
> No argument about that bigger playlist. But I can think of
> a whole lot of songs that charted higher than God Only Knows
> and are never heard on terrestrial radio. Let's get THEM on
> that playlist first.

Fine with me.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
"As bad as the Republicans are, the Democrats are worse"... Neal Boortz, 3/16/06</P>
 
Re: Pet Sounds

> >
>
>
> [I think I remember Rolling Stone calling Pet Sounds the
> > greatest LP in rock and roll history. Did I recall that
> > correctly? I don't pay such close attention to those
> polls.]
>
>
> Actually, they had Sgt. Pepper at #1. Pet Sounds was #2.
> And you're right about ignoring those polls. It's kinda
> like going to the movies...............if it won an award at
> the Cannes Film Festival, avoid it like the plague!

Right band, wrong album.

The Beatles' Revolver was #1; Pet Sounds #2; and Sgt. Pepper was either #3 or #4 (with a Dylan album in the top 5 as well...can't remember which one now).
 
Re: Songs

> > [Are you kidding? The Beach Boys "God Only Knows" is one
> of
> > the best records ever made! The entire "Pet Sounds" LP
> > (from where "God Only Knows" came) was years ahead of its
> > time and was credited by Paul McCartney as the inspiration
>
> > behind The Beatles epic "Sgt. Peppers" LP!]

Chart position of 40 year old songs doesn't mean much. GOD ONLY KNOWS
has tested well for years, including just 3 months ago in my market.

1000 song playlists will not work for OLDIES!!! You would end up with a small
audience of 50-60 year olds, not very marketable.

If a station plays the familiar, big hits, you have a much better opportunity
to pick up 35-50 year olds who know, and like the songs, too.

It's that simple.
 
charts

For the most part, chart position has no relation to songs remaining relevant.

Obviously, there are songs that placed high in the charts and are, therefore, more familiar by nature. But higher chart position does not guarantee relevance and, in fact, are ZERO influence on listeners. Can you imagine a listener hearing a song and reacting, "gee, kind of a nice song, but I don't remember it charting that high, so I'll turn the dial"? Never. Here's how listeners react: a) I like it or b) I don't like it.

Using chart position to determine what's a hit and what's not is useless.

>
> No argument about that bigger playlist. But I can think of
> a whole lot of songs that charted higher than God Only Knows
> and are never heard on terrestrial radio. Let's get THEM on
> that playlist first.
>
 
charts

all true.
>
> Chart position of 40 year old songs doesn't mean much. GOD
> ONLY KNOWS has tested well for years, including just 3 months ago in my
> market.
>
> 1000 song playlists will not work for OLDIES!!! You would
> end up with a small audience of 50-60 year olds, not very marketable.
>
> If a station plays the familiar, big hits, you have a much
> better opportunity to pick up 35-50 year olds who know, and like the songs,
> too.
>
> It's that simple.
>
 
Re: Songs

> 1000 song playlists will not work for OLDIES!!! You would
> end up with a small audience of 50-60 year olds, not very marketable.
>
> If a station plays the familiar, big hits, you have a much
> better opportunity to pick up 35-50 year olds who know, and like the songs,
> too.
>
> It's that simple.

Not really and therein lies the problem. The Advertising Community continues to recognize the 50+ listening audience as a viable market, even though the earliest members of the "Baby Boomer" Generation, who still control the majority of spending in this country, are approaching retirement age. This needs to be adjusted. 50 AIN'T FATAL!

While I understand the rationale behind programming to the younger market (25-34), I think radio is fighting a battle they'll never win. They're alienating an audience that still choose radio as a prime source of entertainment and information by continuing to chase after a segment of the market that have found other ways (Ipods, Video Games, etc.) to spend their time and money. With new technological advances racing to the market seemingly every day, those people find radio boring and they probably won't ever come back.

1000+ song playlist can be successful in every market, provided the playlist and prgramming are put together with some creativity. Weekday programming should include "the familiar, big hits" to attract the "at work" listener, but evening and weekend programming should be different than the daytime fare and include some classics from "The Golden Age of Rock & Roll." Specialty "theme" weekends are a great way to "freshen" the playlist by adding some tunes their listeners probably haven't heard in a while. Trust me, they won't be scared off!
 
Re: Songs

> 1000 song playlists will not work for OLDIES!!! You would
> end up with a small
> audience of 50-60 year olds, not very marketable.
>
> If a station plays the familiar, big hits, you have a much
> better opportunity
> to pick up 35-50 year olds who know, and like the songs,
> too.

But solely "big hit" playlists are also causing stations to die. KRTH succeeded with 300 songs; WMJI succeeded with substantially more than that. This meme that larger playlists will not work is belied by success at one of the largest, most successful, and heritage oldies operations in America.

And the only way you'll have a 50-60 year olds in small audience is if you're choosing your songs incorrectly (i.e., older stuff). There's no reason big hits from the 60s cannot be added in with big and above-average hits from the 70s (no disco please), and big/above average hits of the 80s. This big hits only mentality is idiotic, and results in burned out, shorter playlists is a lesser amount of time. The result--oldies jocks and PDs out of work, replaced by the best soft AC or country of today, or whatever. If you want taht moral burden on your hands, fine.

On the otherside, large playlist and non-big hit fans--commercial radio is not the place to go. It may have been 10 years ago, but the stations don't do that anymore. It happens as things progress. People over age 50 or so are unwanted by commercial radio operators and their advertisers, as are fans of non-big hits. There's no use in arguing this point repeatedly until the operators and their advertisers realize the mistake. They haven't yet, but will eventually. It will be too late then, unfortunately.

The place to go for 50s and 60s classics, unplayed on commercial radio, as well as your lesser known hits, is your favorite non-commercial station. Yes, I know--you have to change your radio dial. If you put as much energy into changing the dial to the lower/left side as you do to bitch and moaning here, you might actually be happy with what you hear. College and community stations are providing some great programming that is not heard on commercial radio. But YOU, the listener, have to make the effort to come hear these stations. We'll always be willing to play the music, but need your support by listening.

Dial around your radio, and find something you like--you may be pleasantly surprised. Or, you can even dial around the internet for non-comm streaming audio. For example, how about the Sunday Oldies Jukebox for 25 hours on Sundays? Or your local station that plays the oldies?

You don't need to be confined to the commercial band--and if enough listeners go to the left side of the dial (it's happening already), maybe the pinheads in charge of radio stations and advertisers will realize that their big hits formats are not listener-friendly. And if not--at least the listeners are happy.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Johnny Morgan on 03/20/06 03:03 PM.</FONT></P>
 
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