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Sox are on WEEI tonight?

Why are the Red Sox on WEEI tonight? ??? Entercom supposedly spent millions to make WRKO into the Red Sox' flagship station, then they pull the "musical stations" routine. Again.

Please tell me: what sense does this make? All it does is confuse the listeners. Why switch flagship stations? Talk about an inability to establish a brand identity - why bother to put them on WRKO at all? Not to mention that WEEI was always the better fit for the Sox anyhow.

Honestly, I think that someone at Entercom needs to have their head examined. In fact, maybe everyone in a management position there needs to be tested for lead poisoning or some other thing that causes chronic brain damage.

They even make CBS Radio look good.
 
We mentioned before that Wed. is Prince Spaghetti Day WEEI Red Sox Night. Entercom didn't want to totally leave WEEI out of the picture. WEEI does Wed. nights and also if there is a weekday afternoon game,
it's on WEEI so 'RKO can run Howie and Rush without interruption. (Something that did NOT happen
in spring training and a few early games, leading to complaints)

Other teams have done the same things. The Phillies would be on WPHT--except on Friday nights when
they'd go to WIP because of...a Sinatra show.
 
Why are the Red Sox on WEEI tonight? Entercom supposedly spent millions to make WRKO into the Red Sox' flagship station, then they pull the "musical stations" routine. Again.

Please tell me: what sense does this make? All it does is confuse the listeners. Why switch flagship stations? Talk about an inability to establish a brand identity - why bother to put them on WRKO at all? Not to mention that WEEI was always the better fit for the Sox anyhow.

Honestly, I think that someone at Entercom needs to have their head examined. In fact, maybe everyone in a management position there needs to be tested for lead poisoning or some other thing that causes chronic brain damage.
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Hey, BRNout, congrats. You made the SaveWRKO board today as a guest expert, Before you get too excited, though, remember that that distinction is a little like winning the Whiner-of-the-Day Award on the WEEI 'whiner line', only without the intellectual gravitas.

As a public service, I'll print the rest of Maloney's post. It will make you look like Mel Karmazin by comparison.

Why kill your cash cow?

So you can have TWO cash cows. This, in the radio biz, is considered preferable to having only one cash cow.

With the release of station revenue totals for 2006,

You mean the totals that were released months ago, and actually discussed on your blog? Ya know, if we take the time to read your blog, shouldn't you?

Entercom's bizarre decision to move most of the Red Sox games from sports talker WEEI to issues- based WRKO makes less sense than ever. Why dilute WEEI's previously strong brand name?

Good point. Folks won't think of WEEI as 'The Sports Station' anymore. They'll think of it as ethnic radio for people who like athletic contests played by professionals from many different nations. And they'll think that Finneran, Feinburg, Limbaugh, and Carr are now sports talkers who seem to spend an inordinate amount of time going off on non-sports tangents.

Underscoring the incredible power of the Red Sox,

Well, you've just answered your own question. WRKO needed help, not WEEI. The Sox were not going to be doing anything for WEEI that WEEI can't do for itself, except for the billing, which Entercom keeps.

WEEI was the second- highest billing station in the country, according to the Houston Chronicle:[/color]

( inserts article mentioning that WEEI billed around 36 mil in 2006)

Now, the company is paying somewhere between 15 and 20 million annually (based on conflicting trade and media reports) and the games are spread out between two stations in what has got to be confusing for the average listener.

Actually, it is only confusing for the below average listener, which both this board and SaveWRKO have amply demonstrated. So far, I've found one other person (other than Maloney), who actually has a problem remembering that the Wednesday games air on WEEI.
Try this...WEEI - Wednesday - Sox - WEEI - Wednesday - Sox, Hari Krishna, hari Krishna, hari hari, Krishna Krishna.

Here's a comment I found on the Internet today that surely speaks for many out there:

(this is where you come in, BRNout)

Jeepers, you even write like Maloney, the same strawmen, the same overwrought, forelock- tugging BS, the same red herrings, same non-sequiturs etc.

Now, WRKO has been destroyed

Ummm...a couple of paragraphs ago, you were writing about "the incredible power of the Red Sox", and now the station with those 'incredible' broadcast rights has been 'destroyed'?

Does the expression cognitive dissonance ring a bell?

WEEI has for the most part lost its major draw and listeners are left scratching their heads.

Who are these headscratchers, Masked Man? I haven't met many, but then I don't spend as much time on the planet Zoltron as you.

What a mess.

The big question: is Entercom at war with itself? Somebody sure seems to be undermining the company from within.


Okay, enough fooling around here. Let's just cut to the chase and explain something you should have learned during the first month you were in the business...

You have two radio stations, both of whose billing goes into your pocket.

One station, WEEI, is doing gangbusters, setting revenue records, and is running short of advertising avails, partly because they are losing three to four hours of live, sellable, inexpensive to produce programming on an almost daily basis.

Another station, WRKO, is underperforming both revenue- and ratings-wise, and has mostly syndicated crap running every night which doesn't sell and doesn't turn decent audience numbers.

The Red Sox broadcasts draw lots of listeners, many of whom may not be regular listeners to your station. Of course, they are much more likely, as Sox fans, to already be listeners to WEEI, rather than listeners to WRKO.

Therefore, the smart move is to put the Sox on WRKO because:

WRKO turns non-revenue and non-audience producing time into megabucks and megalistener producing time.
WEEI frees up those evening hours for running live programming and frees up lots of avails for ads, while keeping all their other ads.
WRKO gets to promote it's talk programming to folks who normally don't listen to WRKO.
If the promotion and carryover from the Sox drives up WRKO numbers across the board, revenue goes up across the board, also.
WEEI still keeps its hand in the Sox by running regularly scheduled games, and obviously gets the listeners who want to hear discussions about the Sox, who aren't going to be topics of conversation on WRKO.

So:
WEEI makes more money than ever from regular programming, but loses most of the Sox revenue.

WRKO makes most of the revenue generated by the sox, picks up audience, and makes more money than before on their regular programming

More money goes into the Entercom pocket than would have if WEEI was the Sox flagship and WRKO was still underperforming in billing and audience.

Yep, those Entercom folks are sure screwing up the company.

Now, I know what some people are saying...that I made all this up just to make Maloney look like a moron.

Regards,
TSB
 
Some one should really pin a sticky to explain this, it comes up almost every week
 
Nizam said:
Some one should really pin a sticky to explain this, it comes up almost every week

Which actually proves my original point. Thank you.

In general, the public views radio as a passive medium - they don't give it much thought. This business of "Wednesday is Sox on WEEI day" may work fine in Entercom's boardroom (which is where TSBench is clearly hanging out) - but it's not so brilliant once you're dealing with the 99%-non-radio-geek public.

I now live outside of the market, but just caught the mention of the game being on WEEI when monitoring WRKO via the 'net. So, the "Wednesday" thing wasn't clear to me because when I listen to the Sox these days, it's on WTIC. However, the general public doesn't pay that sort of attention to this. They don't care about corporate clusters and who's outbilling whom. All they know is that, for years, they set a preset to 850 in order to listen to the Sox. Now, they need to go to 680 to do the same. Sometimes.

The back-and-forth bouncing between stations will indeed foster confusion among listeners and will dilute the branding of both stations. It will end up being money poorly spent by Entercom. Yes, I really do appreciate seeing the corporate point of view from TSBench. It goves great insight into the thinking that hatched this scheme. Interesting too were the comments about the relative intelligence of those who can't follow this corporate strategy belies an unhealthy level of arrogance toward the "customer". I seriously doubt that such confusion is limited to those of 'below average' intelligence - busy people like doctors and lawyers probably have better things to do than to keep track of which Entercom profit center is featuring the game that night. In the past, it was a no-brainer that the game is on WEEI. And, in turn, that made WEEI into the most successful sports radio franchise in the US.

So, my point stands that you're diluting brand loyalty by playing musical chairs with where Sox games will be heard. The average P1 listener has a life and doesn't care to search all over the place for the game. If you step away from the business for a minute and talk to non radio people, you'll have a clue as to what I mean.
 
raccoonradio said:
We mentioned before that Wed. is Prince Spaghetti Day WEEI Red Sox Night. Entercom didn't want to totally leave WEEI out of the picture. WEEI does Wed. nights and also if there is a weekday afternoon game,
it's on WEEI so 'RKO can run Howie and Rush without interruption. (Something that did NOT happen
in spring training and a few early games, leading to complaints)

Other teams have done the same things. The Phillies would be on WPHT--except on Friday nights when
they'd go to WIP because of...a Sinatra show.

I like the reference to Prince Spaghetti Day! ;D Good way to remember this, actually!

But, about the Phillies - your comment is incorrect (maybe it was at one time - but not now). The Phils do indeed pre-empt Sid Mark's Sinatra show - or at least part of it. In fact, tonight is such a night: Sinatra from 6-7, Phillies after that. They even pre-empt Rush for day games (except on line).

To my knowledge, WIP does not take any of the games - nor did they last year. Perhaps that was the case in the past (can't say), but not now. WPHT is THE flagship of the Phillies.

To which I still say: "Go SOX!" - by the way.
 
Yes--in the past WPHT gave over Fri nights to WIP, though--I did a simple websearch (typed in WPHT
Phillies Sinatra Friday) and got a blog about Philly media and one comment said:

http://www.phillyfuture.org/node/462
(April 4, 2005):
"You can tune into WIP-AM on Friday nights during the season to get your Phillies radio fix. WPHT is forgoing Fri night Phillies broadcasts so as to not infringe upon their Friday night Sinatra programming, which is a big revenue generator for the station. WIP & WPHT are both owned by Infinity which allows the dual station broadcasts."

(I should have worded it "The Phillies USED to be on WPHT except for Friday nights"). And the last time I
was in Philly was in '05 and was pretty sure I had to tune to 610 on a Fri. night to catch part of
the Phillies game.)
A year or so before that, WPEN 950 (now WNTP, IIRC) was the Phillies flagship.

The guy who did the blog was a liberal who was complaining about the fact that now that the Phils
were on 1210, he had to sit through promos for Rush Limbaugh. (One comment though celebrated the
fact that once the Phillies had a 3 pm weekday start, "thus wiping out Sean Hannity. I consider that
a victory!")
Maybe some liberals got a kick out of the Rush/Carr pre-emptions that took place earlier this year
on WRKO... :)
 
Which actually proves my original point. Thank you.

Maybe he'll now find it odd that you were complaining about something which really doesn't matter to you, since you're going to listen to the games on WTIC, regardless of where they originate in Boston.

In general, the public views radio as a passive medium - they don't give it much thought. This business of "Wednesday is Sox on WEEI day" may work fine in Entercom's boardroom (which is where TSBench is clearly hanging out)

Ahh, yes, the famous 'Maloney Parry' . Perhaps it will work better for you than it does for him. But I doubt it.

- but it's not so brilliant once you're dealing with the 99%-non-radio-geek public.

Ummm... well, Bria..errr..BRNout, the "99%-non-radio-geek public' probably isn't as concerned, as you are, with station branding, they just want to hear the game.

I now live outside of the market, but just caught the mention of the game being on WEEI when monitoring WRKO via the 'net. So, the "Wednesday" thing wasn't clear to me because when I listen to the Sox these days, it's on WTIC.

So why was this a problem to you, since all the games are on WTIC? Are you just concerned for everyone else? Or was this just another of the mindless Entercom bashes spawned by know-nothings who take their cues from SaveWRKO?

However, the general public doesn't pay that sort of attention to this. They don't care about corporate clusters and who's outbilling whom.

Well, you do seem to care about those things, and it was to you that I was responding.

All they know is that, for years, they set a preset to 850 in order to listen to the Sox. Now, they need to go to 680 to do the same. Sometimes.

Yes, this a problem, especially for folks who have one of those old radios with only one preset. Imagine if the Sox had switched to Greater Media. A lot of non-geeks with those old radios would have thought the Sox had moved to Knoxville.

The back-and-forth bouncing between stations will indeed foster confusion among listeners and will dilute the branding of both stations.

Why? Do you think that WTIC is a sports station and not News/Talk, because they carry the Sox? And, during all those months that Sox don't play, do you believe people think WEEI isn't a sports station? Or are you just smarter than all those other listeners.

It will end up being money poorly spent by Entercom. Yes, I really do appreciate seeing the corporate point of view from TSBench. It goves great insight into the thinking that hatched this scheme.

You may find this hard to believe, the radio is a business, and they make decisions based on what will give them the greatest return and probably aren't too concerned that somebody who listens to the games on WTIC will have trouble figuring out which day of the week it is.

Interesting too were the comments about the relative intelligence of those who can't follow this corporate strategy belies an unhealthy level of arrogance toward the "customer".

Yes, Brian, I didn't give proper consideration to those who were sick that day in the first grade when they covered Wednesday as part of the 'days of the week' curriculum. Hopefully, you caught it on Mr Rogers for, if not, you'd be out of synch with everyone else for the rest of your life.

I seriously doubt that such confusion is limited to those of 'below average' intelligence -

Well, I only had your post to go by, so what was I supposed to think?

busy people like doctors and lawyers probably have better things to do than to keep track of which Entercom profit center is featuring the game that night.

If I had a doctor or lawyer who couldn't figure out which radio button to push on Wednesday, I'm not certain that I'd trust them to be able to find my appendix or show up in court on the right day. You may want to consider finding a different lawyer or doctor. As luck would have it, both my doctor and lawyer were present that day in first grade.

In the past, it was a no-brainer that the game is on WEEI.

Unless you lived out of the Boston market, where if you had that dial set to WEEI, you'd be wondering where the game went (to Knoxville, perhaps.)

And, in turn, that made WEEI into the most successful sports radio franchise in the US.

Well, no. What turned WEEI into a successful sport radio franchise was making it into a electronic clubhouse for 'guy talk' catering to Sox and Pats fans (while downplaying the Celtics and just about ignoring the Bruins and Revs) and putting the right people into the right slots. Even when most of the Sox games are on WRKO, 100% of the talk about them is on WEEI. WEEI does a better number talking about the Pats on their designated Pats Day than WBCN does actually carrying the game.
The 'Whiner Line', which began life as a knock off of Carr's 'Chump Line', has developed into the funniest and most original bit on Boston radio.

Yep, it took a while, but the folks who put this one together were brilliant programmers. You may think they need "to be tested for lead poisoning or some other thing that causes chronic brain damage" but they think they've put together the most successful sports station in the country. Deciding which of these positions is the correct one is the real no-brainer.

So, my point stands that you're diluting brand loyalty by playing musical chairs with where Sox games will be heard. The average P1 listener has a life and doesn't care to search all over the place for the game.

Wrong, In fact, it is exactly the opposite. The P1 listener is the most likely to have NO problem figuring out what station is going to be carrying the game because they are, by definition, the easiest to reach.

You do seem to know all the jargon. Your assignment for tonight is to find out what it means.


If you step away from the business for a minute and talk to non radio people, you'll have a clue as to what I mean.


Well, it's Entercom programmers who you're criticizing, and I don't think they have the freedom to 'step away from the business' (especially if they want to stay in it for a while.)

Interestingly, your posts are all about the technical programming and business side of radio. Perhaps you should have stepped away and learned something about it before you hit the 'post' key.

Of course, you were only looking out for 'the little people', all those folks with only one preset on their radios. Sort of a Radio-Info Public Service Announcement.

Thanks and regards,
TSB
 
>>A lot of non-geeks with those old radios would have thought the Sox had moved to Knoxville.

A couple other teams have switched to FM flagships this year: Pirates (from KDKA to talker at 104.7)
and Orioles (WBAL to WHFS-FM) but not the Sox.
 
raccoonradio said:
>>A lot of non-geeks with those old radios would have thought the Sox had moved to Knoxville.

A couple other teams have switched to FM flagships this year: Pirates (from KDKA to talker at 104.7)
and Orioles (WBAL to WHFS-FM) but not the Sox.

Years ago, when Charlie Finley owned the Oakland As, didn't he put the games on some local, low-power college station just to thumb his nose at the metro stations who didn't want to pay what he considered a reasonable rights fee and to tweak the fans for not showing up at the games?

Regards,
TSB
 
Hey TSB, thanks for your well thought out replies - even if they run a bit arrogant. We're clearly not going to agree on this. I am glad to hear that your doctor is so savvy about radio - I prefer mine to spend more time reading medical journals and less time spent perusing radio message boards!

However, it is interesting to hear from someone who is so certain that they are absolutely correct all of the time. Perhaps you were also involved with the invention of the Free FM format too.

One last try....

For one thing, if having "rotating flagships" was such a great idea for valuable sports franchises, why isn't it being done in top 10 markets around the US? And, no, I am not referring to games periodically getting dumped on secondary stations due to scheduling conflicts. Although that seems to victimize low-rated NHL teams more than high-rated MLB or NFL ones. If it's so damn brilliant, then why isn't this strategy being carried out nationwide?

Why aren't the Yankees on WCBS every night - except Wednesdays on Jack FM (which might actually be an improvement for them)? Why aren't the Dodgers on KFWB most of the time - but KNX sometimes? It's called BRANDING. KFWB promotes itself as being the home of "news, traffic, Dodgers". And, that's every day of the week. They only pre-empt games if there is an extraordinary conflict. That's how its done in the big leagues.

As for your presumptious comments about who I am, you are as wrong as the ideas that you espouse. But, I do get around and I still do end up in the Boston area now and then. For me, its easy to pick between 680 and 850 - but I also know enough about the average listener to know that they are not quite so savvy. How many under 25's do you know that don't even listen to AM? I know of many - let alone making them toggle between signals. A good rule of thumb when dealing with the public it that it's best to keep things simple. It's basic marketing - especially when your sales depend upon diary entries.

And, I've never even visited "saveWRKO.com" - I didn't know that WRKO needed saving. It just needs a decent programmer - and not a monkey in a business suit. ;D
 
>>It's called BRANDING.

Actually heard on WRKO via their contracted-out Metro newscast:

"Tonight's Red Sox game will be on WEEI AM 850, with the pregame starting at 6:25. WRKO is your
station for Red Sox baseball."

That's right, we are the station for the Sox--except Wed nights, weekday afternoons, or when
the moon is in Capricorn. Will some Pats games be on WZLX instead? Bruins on WODS?
Celtics on WMKK?
 
Hey TSB, thanks for your well thought out replies

You're welcome. It was a timely break from painting the Entercom boardro...oops...I mean the railing on my deck.

Regards,
TSB
 
TSBench said:
Hey TSB, thanks for your well thought out replies

You're welcome. It was a timely break from painting the Entercom boardro...oops...I mean the railing on my deck.

Regards,
TSB

Good one! ;D
 
However, the general public doesn't pay that sort of attention to this. They don't care about corporate clusters and who's outbilling whom. All they know is that, for years, they set a preset to 850 in order to listen to the Sox. Now, they need to go to 680 to do the same. Sometimes.

You've got a point.

I was out of town this weekend and in a city where I actually know some of the people in radio there. I left my laptop at home and didn't feel like paying the hotel's outrageous internet rates....so when it came to radio listening whilst driving (and I did a lot of driving) all I had to go on with my rental car's radio was what I could discern by listening...and from the occasional baseball billboard trumpeting the home team's new AM home. Fortunately the radio had RBDS, but even that wasn't much help; too many stations didn't transmit RBDS and, of course, you can't have RBDS on AM.

I've gotten to know Eastern Mass's radio stations so well, it was a real shock to the system (so to speak) to not instinctively know what stations were what, where their transmitters were, and how good their signals were. Made for a lot of fumbling across the dial before my wife and I gave up and switched to the car's Sirius satradio.
 
Hey, if a game is played on the West Coast or goes into extra innings after midnight, does the game flip to WRKO when it turns Thursday?
 
No in all honesty it would probably stay on the station it started with...

Also, in all honesty, if in 1804 Jefferson had had to recruit the kind of folks who today can't discover an 'effing ballgame on the radio, we'd be refering to the Missouri River as the 'West Coast'.

Regards,
TSB
 
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