Sports radio in Cincinnati

[secondchoice]

#3. Why woul dyou even bother upgrading WCVG? You'll never get your investment back. Best thing to do is find a translator for it.

IIRC the translator for a AM station has to be within the daytime coverage of the AM it is translating. If you look at the daytime coverage:

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WCVG&service=AM&status=L&hours=D

there is a lack of signal to the east I guess to protect WLOH Lancaster OH and WBTR Bardstown KY is most likely responsible for the notch to the southwest. It might be cheaper to do away both then loosen up on the daytime pattern to allow a 250 watt translator on a tall tower and end up with something like:

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=W245AJ&service=FX&status=L&hours=U

Even if they could buy the 96.9 translator (if it was for sale) with their current daytime pattern they most likely would have to rent a HD2 or 3 from an existing FM. That is why a signal upgrade would be good for 1320. Either to expand coverage (and hopefully some ratings and revenue) with better AM coverage or to snag a good translator when or if one become available.

 

[jry]

#3. Why woul dyou even bother upgrading WCVG? You'll never get your investment back. Best thing to do is find a translator for it.

IIRC the translator for a AM station has to be within the daytime coverage of the AM it is translating. If you look at the daytime coverage:

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WCVG&service=AM&status=L&hours=D

there is a lack of signal to the east I guess to protect WLOH Lancaster OH and WBTR Bardstown KY is most likely responsible for the notch to the southwest. It might be cheaper to do away both then loosen up on the daytime pattern to allow a 250 watt translator on a tall tower and end up with something like:

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=W245AJ&service=FX&status=L&hours=U

Even if they could buy the 96.9 translator (if it was for sale) with their current daytime pattern they most likely would have to rent a HD2 or 3 from an existing FM. That is why a signal upgrade would be good for 1320. Either to expand coverage (and hopefully some ratings and revenue) with better AM coverage or to snag a good translator when or if one become available.

The Daytime .5 MV/M on AM.... The protected contour on the FM 60 or 54 dbu.

 

[MTHBSTR]

Secondchoice: I don't think the cost of building a new site for WCVG would be justified in the "hopes" of getting an FM translator. The cost of engineering, land acquisition, site development, and build-out would not seem worth it. WCVG's null to the NE is based on the old WLOH-AM Lancaster site, which was closer to Cincinnati and 1kw. They have since moved and dropped power to 500w. WCVG may be able to do something from their current site, but I would never sink money into a new site for an AM station with little value.

Maybe jry could pick it up for a song and use the Latonia site as a nighttime for WQRT? WCVX will need a site when Brent Spence Bridge construction begins. I've seen the maps for the new ramps and bridge, and the WCVX site is no longer there.

 

[schmave]

Secondchoice: I don't think the cost of building a new site for WCVG would be justified in the "hopes" of getting an FM translator. The cost of engineering, land acquisition, site development, and build-out would not seem worth it. WCVG's null to the NE is based on the old WLOH-AM Lancaster site, which was closer to Cincinnati and 1kw. They have since moved and dropped power to 500w. WCVG may be able to do something from their current site, but I would never sink money into a new site for an AM station with little value.

Maybe jry could pick it up for a song and use the Latonia site as a nighttime for WQRT? WCVX will need a site when Brent Spence Bridge construction begins. I've seen the maps for the new ramps and bridge, and the WCVX site is no longer there.

Those 500 watts for WLOH get out really well, at least 60 miles daytime north and west. I don't have any idea why they moved the tower years back out to the east side of Lancaster and cut the power in half.
I've never checked whether WLOH and WCVG fight much of a head-to-head battle around, say, Court House or Wilmington.

 

[jry]

Secondchoice: I don't think the cost of building a new site for WCVG would be justified in the "hopes" of getting an FM translator. The cost of engineering, land acquisition, site development, and build-out would not seem worth it. WCVG's null to the NE is based on the old WLOH-AM Lancaster site, which was closer to Cincinnati and 1kw. They have since moved and dropped power to 500w. WCVG may be able to do something from their current site, but I would never sink money into a new site for an AM station with little value.

Maybe jry could pick it up for a song and use the Latonia site as a nighttime for WQRT? WCVX will need a site when Brent Spence Bridge construction begins. I've seen the maps for the new ramps and bridge, and the WCVX site is no longer there.

True. We are part of the group that gets noticed on Brent Spence stuff. Waiting for them to call and make a deal. We've had Munn Reese do some work on where WCVX would move to. There are plenty of Diplex options.

 

[secondchoice]

Secondchoice: I don't think the cost of building a new site for WCVG would be justified in the "hopes" of getting an FM translator. The cost of engineering, land acquisition, site development, and build-out would not seem worth it. WCVG's null to the NE is based on the old WLOH-AM Lancaster site, which was closer to Cincinnati and 1kw. They have since moved and dropped power to 500w. WCVG may be able to do something from their current site, but I would never sink money into a new site for an AM station with little value.

Maybe jry could pick it up for a song and use the Latonia site as a nighttime for WQRT? WCVX will need a site when Brent Spence Bridge construction begins. I've seen the maps for the new ramps and bridge, and the WCVX site is no longer there.

In my post on page a I stated without regard to the cost of land. I know land costs for an AM directional are unreasonable. If such a project was done it would be only to "cover" a good translator. Especially when the FCC "revamps" the translator rules there might be a translator in need of something to translate. I personally would acquire the translator first.

 

[microbob]

Are there any open frequencies left to put a 250 watt translator on in the area? The dial is jammed to the max already as it is and CC got the two best frequencies in terms of coverage. I'm Not sure what they are wanting to do with 94.5. Maybe they would be willing to sell it.

 

[almaniac27]

Secondchoice: I don't think the cost of building a new site for WCVG would be justified in the "hopes" of getting an FM translator. The cost of engineering, land acquisition, site development, and build-out would not seem worth it. WCVG's null to the NE is based on the old WLOH-AM Lancaster site, which was closer to Cincinnati and 1kw. They have since moved and dropped power to 500w. WCVG may be able to do something from their current site, but I would never sink money into a new site for an AM station with little value.

Maybe jry could pick it up for a song and use the Latonia site as a nighttime for WQRT? WCVX will need a site when Brent Spence Bridge construction begins. I've seen the maps for the new ramps and bridge, and the WCVX site is no longer there.

True. We are part of the group that gets noticed on Brent Spence stuff. Waiting for them to call and make a deal. We've had Munn Reese do some work on where WCVX would move to. There are plenty of Diplex options.

Looking at Google Earth with the FCCinfo filter on, it looks like WCKY, WNOP, WCVG, and WDBZ all look like possible candidates for a diplex with WCVX. So you have options, which is good.

 

[jry]

Secondchoice: I don't think the cost of building a new site for WCVG would be justified in the "hopes" of getting an FM translator. The cost of engineering, land acquisition, site development, and build-out would not seem worth it. WCVG's null to the NE is based on the old WLOH-AM Lancaster site, which was closer to Cincinnati and 1kw. They have since moved and dropped power to 500w. WCVG may be able to do something from their current site, but I would never sink money into a new site for an AM station with little value.

Maybe jry could pick it up for a song and use the Latonia site as a nighttime for WQRT? WCVX will need a site when Brent Spence Bridge construction begins. I've seen the maps for the new ramps and bridge, and the WCVX site is no longer there.

True. We are part of the group that gets noticed on Brent Spence stuff. Waiting for them to call and make a deal. We've had Munn Reese do some work on where WCVX would move to. There are plenty of Diplex options.

Looking at Google Earth with the FCCinfo filter on, it looks like WCKY, WNOP, WCVG, and WDBZ all look like possible candidates for a diplex with WCVX. So you have options, which is good.

Yes. All true. Second: Land acquisition isn't too bad, with what real estate is doing. Zoning is the real problem. WQRT really cannot move its facility to the north.... due to 1150 in Lima and 1160 In Chicagoland and i think that there's some other challenges.

 

[microbob]

WCVG's Latonia site would be perfect for 1050 though. I'm guessing that you could not get a power increase for 1050 either daytime or night from that location.

 

[BobOnTheJob]

#3. Why woul dyou even bother upgrading WCVG? You'll never get your investment back. Best thing to do is find a translator for it.

IIRC the translator for a AM station has to be within the daytime coverage of the AM it is translating. If you look at the daytime coverage:

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WCVG&service=AM&status=L&hours=D

there is a lack of signal to the east I guess to protect WLOH Lancaster OH and WBTR Bardstown KY is most likely responsible for the notch to the southwest. It might be cheaper to do away both then loosen up on the daytime pattern to allow a 250 watt translator on a tall tower and end up with something like:

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=W245AJ&service=FX&status=L&hours=U

Even if they could buy the 96.9 translator (if it was for sale) with their current daytime pattern they most likely would have to rent a HD2 or 3 from an existing FM. That is why a signal upgrade would be good for 1320. Either to expand coverage (and hopefully some ratings and revenue) with better AM coverage or to snag a good translator when or if one become available.

The Daytime .5 MV/M on AM.... The protected contour on the FM 60 or 54 dbu.

I believe the FM translator's 60dbu can not extend beyond the AM daytime's 2mv signal..

 

[jry]

We went through this a couple of times, Bob. The 60 has to stay within the daytime .5 mv/m.

 

[jry]

WCVG's Latonia site would be perfect for 1050 though. I'm guessing that you could not get a power increase for 1050 either daytime or night from that location.

We'd be looking at less power from any site. It has as much to do with first adjacent operations and the new rules as anything.

 

[techie2]

We went through this a couple of times, Bob. The 60 has to stay within the daytime .5 mv/m.

Bob is right.

Section 74.1201 (g) Translator coverage contour. ... The coverage contour of an FM translator rebroadcasting an AM radio broadcast station as its primary station must be contained within the lesser of the 2 mV/m daytime contour of the AM station and a 25-mile (40 km) radius centered at the AM transmitter site. The protected contour for an FM translator station is its predicted 1 mV/m contour.

 

[jry]

We went through this a couple of times, Bob. The 60 has to stay within the daytime .5 mv/m.

Bob is right.

Section 74.1201 (g) Translator coverage contour. ... The coverage contour of an FM translator rebroadcasting an AM radio broadcast station as its primary station must be contained within the lesser of the 2 mV/m daytime contour of the AM station and a 25-mile (40 km) radius centered at the AM transmitter site. The protected contour for an FM translator station is its predicted 1 mV/m contour.

The 1MV/M on an FMT equals the 54 DBU? Thanks for the info. I have to circle back and talk to the person that mislead me.