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Spring Has Sprung



I went back and plugged in the Buffalo population data, the diary sample size and those ratings numbers. It would appear that the 2.6, the 2.5 and the 2.3 are all the same number. In fact, anything from about a 1.8 to a 3.2 are the same number. And considering the fairly narrow older demo targeting of the station, the range may be greater.

And then, the 1.4 looks like sampling error as the number is an outlier.

The same explanation applies for the 1 to 2 point wobbles with the leading stations: sample error sometimes, and statistical range other times. There is probably a better probability that a station will go up or down due to statistical sampling's margin of error on that sample size than due to programming changes.

Right. So Mix and Jack, which had wretched Spring books, have wobbles and wiggles too. Stations get "kissed" and "robbed." Arguably, WHTT got a big wet kiss, while WBEN may have been robbed. Four book averages tell a story, a deeper and more revealing story than Persons 12+ .

Tall Thin One appears to have access to the Programmers package, wherein detailed information and graphics about each station are revealed. I doubt that he/she (cuz y'never know on these boards) is some beer guzzlin' dummy. In fact, it appears most posters/readers here know a thing or two about the business, either from their days selling radio or working in the business, or having friends or family who were or are still in the business. There are also a number of geeks like me.

I'm told of the the nomograph that appeared in the back pages of the (then) Arbitron hard copy reports. It was a tool that explained Arbtron methodology and statistics, there for anybody who had the time and determination to read and apply it. For most programmers, the charts were akin to Boolean math. Few radio people excelled in Statistics 401, but they sure knew how to interpret the final product, the numbers on the pages, and apply that information to improving their stations and detecting weaknesses in their formats and those of their competitors.

It occurs to me that most people who post here like and know the business of radio. They also have a well-trained BS detector. If you come here solely for accolades, making pronouncements and chest thumping, be prepared to receive a rebuttal. Everybody loves to be loved; nobody enjoys being told who or what to love. In the end, we come here to waste a little time, get our radio rocks off, learn and sometimes spar. Nobody goes home with a bloody nose or chest wounds requiring surgery. Still, it's no place for the thin skinned.

As a sage programmer once wrote, "When you're bragging about your station getting a 10 share, try to remember the 90 shares that got away." From a respected sales manager who went on to head a national rep firm, "Every time I close a deal, I try not to get too full of myself. I think of the money I may have left on the table."
 
Arguably, WHTT got a big wet kiss, while WBEN may have been robbed.

Robbed? Or maybe people are finally getting tired of all the unAmerican BS they regurgitate daily.

Regardless, WBEN is fortunate that they have still not had to deal with the reality check of the PPM. Under those circumstances they'd be lucky to crack a 6 share.
 
Robbed? Or maybe people are finally getting tired of all the unAmerican BS they regurgitate daily.

Regardless, WBEN is fortunate that they have still not had to deal with the reality check of the PPM. Under those circumstances they'd be lucky to crack a 6 share.

It's safe to say that WBEN is lucky to still have a 7 share. The FM simulcast a few years ago was an epic fail. The audience is almost entirely White Men over 55. Entercom knows that nothing can change this reality, so they're letting the clock run out...
 
Who knows? The PPM sample size is even smaller than the diaries. What I'm reading is that the numbers are a vague estimate at best in markets 50+. Four book averages might dispel the bumps somewhat, but that wouldn't account for seasonal variances. Year-to-year books might be useful if there aren't major programming changes. Let's not even talk about the value of trends.

No wonder buyers are looking for better data. As fictitious as "impressions" are on websites, at least they have statistics based on an actual sample of all viewers.

Some people have predicted the imminent demise of WBEN (and others) for several years now. Meanwhile, Entercom leads the market in revenue with those Ancient Modulation stations and a two well-targeted FMs. Their bonus flanker FM does what it's supposed to do - protect the flanks and steal a share or two from the competition.
 
As fictitious as "impressions" are on websites, at least they have statistics based on an actual sample of all viewers.

Maybe...one of the sites I own got thousands of bot hits that drove up my page views, but weren't a truthful sample of actual viewers. I'm told this isn't uncommon. There's a lot of hanky panky there.
 
I haven't been on the board for a couple of weeks, but I have been listening to WECK a bit. And WECK is certainly not the Oldies station of the past. It seems Buddy is redefining what an Oldies station is. And musically, it's much broader. The other day I heard "Witchcraft" by Sinatra around 2 in the afternoon. A few days earlier, I heard a Leslie Gore hit followed by "Desperado" by the Eagles a song or two later.

Also, as he's no longer a full service AM with a major news presence, as he once claimed, I'm wondering what the impact of the "paid" programming on Saturday morning and mid-day will have on his 12+ share as strives to double his numbers. I suspect the talk shows might be hurting more than helping.

Whatever! It's his dime and he can play (and do) whatever he wants. Right, JACK?

I'll give him credit though. He's a hard working guy apparently and while I'm a bit skeptical of the change and the resulting ratings, I wish him well.
 
Robbed? Or maybe people are finally getting tired of all the unAmerican BS they regurgitate daily.

Let's stay away from political opinion.

Regardless, WBEN is fortunate that they have still not had to deal with the reality check of the PPM. Under those circumstances they'd be lucky to crack a 6 share.

There is no indication that talk stations like WBEN would suffer that significantly were PPM to be used in Buffalo. On the other hand, due to cost, it is unlikely that the PPM will be used in the markets outside the top 50.
 
Maybe...one of the sites I own got thousands of bot hits that drove up my page views, but weren't a truthful sample of actual viewers. I'm told this isn't uncommon. There's a lot of hanky panky there.

All of us with sites see bot hits; I have even had to exclude some countries like Russia and China as the only usage was by bots looking for information to steal. I had one 24 hour period with 60,000 bot hits from Russia!

Unreliable statistics for sure, unless you filter or interpret them. Like all statistics, perhaps.
 
I haven't been on the board for a couple of weeks, but I have been listening to WECK a bit. And WECK is certainly not the Oldies station of the past. It seems Buddy is redefining what an Oldies station is. And musically, it's much broader. The other day I heard "Witchcraft" by Sinatra around 2 in the afternoon. A few days earlier, I heard a Leslie Gore hit followed by "Desperado" by the Eagles a song or two later.

Also, as he's no longer a full service AM with a major news presence, as he once claimed, I'm wondering what the impact of the "paid" programming on Saturday morning and mid-day will have on his 12+ share as strives to double his numbers. I suspect the talk shows might be hurting more than helping.

Whatever! It's his dime and he can play (and do) whatever he wants. Right, JACK?

I'll give him credit though. He's a hard working guy apparently and while I'm a bit skeptical of the change and the resulting ratings, I wish him well.

FYI. We do not play Desperado.


FYI
 
I'm curious. What is the sample size used for so-called Buffalo radio stations? And what population does it cover?

I'll grant one thing... I happen to agree with WECK, in the broadest of terms, the bottom line is the bottom line.
 
The nerve of some people, huh Buddy. BTW, whatever happened to The Nerve. It was a cool radio station. Nobody writes about Rochester anymore on this board. "Ninety five one, ninety five five, The Nerve." Used to listen to it all the time out of high school when I drove delivery Buffalo to Rochester. Rochester radio deserves more buzz on this board.

I agree with that. The D & C did a story about the Nerve and it also made mention of all the wonderfully inventive liners and positioners they used. That's a lost art, for the most part. (WEDG has some wit in the liners and IDs they use, as does WBNY-FM...so does Boom 97.3 in Toronto and 101.1 More FM in Ft. Erie, but none of them are even close to what the Nerve did.)
 
It's safe to say that WBEN is lucky to still have a 7 share. The FM simulcast a few years ago was an epic fail. The audience is almost entirely White Men over 55. Entercom knows that nothing can change this reality, so they're letting the clock run out...

Regarding the demo that WBEN is chasing: I call it "people with one foot already in the grave and the second foot is just itching to join them".
 
I'm curious. What is the sample size used for so-called Buffalo radio stations? And what population does it cover.

The 12+ population of the MSA is 935;000 and the sample as of last year is 2400 diaries over a 12 week period, or about 200 a week.
 
FYI. We do not play Desperado.

I never need to hear "Desperado" again myself, but why would it be banned from WECK? "Desperado Why don't you come to your senses. You've been out riding fences(in search of your FIVE Share)". Some Oldies are more moldy than others, I suppose...
 
WBFO never gets listed on Radio Online despite being a Nielsen subscriber. Seems like WBFO has seen increases​ in membership the past few years...

. WBFO is not a Nielsen subscriber.
 
. WBFO is not a Nielsen subscriber.

It's listed as a subscriber to the Winter 2018 report; there is no updated Spring listing so if they are not a subscriber, it has been a recent change.
 
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