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2120Com
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Well, now that The Ticket has signed on as the Dallas Stars' Flagship for the next five years the question is does that mean the Dallas Cowboys are on their way out? CBS here they come!
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Its a logical step, now will Cumulus set up a network. The Stars did not need a radio network on 820am.
I still think the Cowboys will stay on 1310/104.1
I still think the Cowboys will stay on 1310/104.1
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Stinkymess
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More details in Barry Horn's DMN Sportsday Blog.
http://sportsmediablog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/todays-major-announcement-on-1.html
They say it was a friendly parting of the ways for WBAP/Stars. But, what does it really mean for 820?
For me it just means I won't have to change stations to listen to the game when I'm on the road.
http://sportsmediablog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/todays-major-announcement-on-1.html
They say it was a friendly parting of the ways for WBAP/Stars. But, what does it really mean for 820?
For me it just means I won't have to change stations to listen to the game when I'm on the road.
I think since I've lived in Dallas every sports team has changed radio networks at least once. I'm looking forward to hearing Strangis interact on the Ticket.
2 things I'm interested with this deal:
1. Who gets priority on 1310 if there is a conflict between the Cowboys and Stars?
2. On the Stars simulcast, does TV feed radio or radio feed TV?
1. Who gets priority on 1310 if there is a conflict between the Cowboys and Stars?
2. On the Stars simulcast, does TV feed radio or radio feed TV?
salemjedi54 said:
Generally, there aren't conflicts. The NHL usually doesn't schedule Sunday afternoon games during the NFL season, for example. Although, it does have Monday night games. The NHL regular season usually starts about 4 to 5 weeks after the NFL season starts. The NHL doesn't have any US teams playing on Thanksgiving. So, of 16 regular season Cowboys games, the first 4 or 5 aren't an issue and neither is the annual Thanksgiving one.
I think the last time there was a conflict was a couple of years ago when both had a Monday night game (the one when Romo took over from Bledsoe at the half).
Assuming they have both the Cowboys and Stars, they could move one of the teams to KLIF or KPLX for that one conflict. That's what usually happens in other markets. In DC, Caps and Nationals have the same flagship. When there are conflicts, both air within the facilities in the cluster. If I recall, the Islanders flagship put one of their games on their FM hot AC sister on election day last year to allow for election coverage on the flagship.
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greencougar7
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Considering cume less has more than 1 station, one team will go to the bone and 104.1 and the other the ticket and KLIF or vice versa. a No brainer.
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whodatdj
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1310 and 104.1 are decent in the northern burbs at night but anyone wanting to hear the hockey game on the radio to the south or east will be in trouble....unless Cumulus flushes KDBN and puts KTCK programming on the FM dial. Not impossible since I hear a few Bone employees might have been told to pack their stuff on Friday (1-17-2009). That's the only way this deal makes sense in my opinion.
Hummmm. So I'm looking at the Stars schedule and seeing all of these 6:00 PM starts on east coast road games not to mention scattered 7:00 starts for some local games. When you factor in a 30 minute pregame shows you're missing a lot of quarter hours that use to be filled by the Hardline. Will hockey, a second rung sport in these parts, be able to pull the same numbers with their pregame show as the hardline? Depending on how rating bonus terms are written in Mike and Corby's contracts will they be hurt by this?
Hummmm. So I'm looking at the Stars schedule and seeing all of these 6:00 PM starts on east coast road games not to mention scattered 7:00 starts for some local games. When you factor in a 30 minute pregame shows you're missing a lot of quarter hours that use to be filled by the Hardline. Will hockey, a second rung sport in these parts, be able to pull the same numbers with their pregame show as the hardline? Depending on how rating bonus terms are written in Mike and Corby's contracts will they be hurt by this?
New aggreement states that any game with a start time of 7:00 or earlier will not have a pre game. Hardline will be pre-emted for actual game time only, not pregame.
But got some more questions:
1. If the Cowboys are staying on with the Ticket, what happens to those weekday shows that ran on Mon-Wed when both seasons start running parellel?
2. What do you think Dan Patrick's people may think about this. When do you shoe horn his show in now, overnights?
But got some more questions:
1. If the Cowboys are staying on with the Ticket, what happens to those weekday shows that ran on Mon-Wed when both seasons start running parellel?
2. What do you think Dan Patrick's people may think about this. When do you shoe horn his show in now, overnights?
trying2getn said:
That shouldn't be a big issue...
Each NHL team plays:
-- 24 games in its division...in the Stars case, the 12 road games are in Phoenix (one or two hours behind depending on time of year since they do not observe daylight savings time) or in California (2 hours behind making for 9PM or 9:30 starts)
-- 40 games against the other teams in the Western Conference...in the Stars case, only 2 games at Detroit and 2 games at Columbus each year likely yield 6 or 6:30 starts since all other Western Conference teams are in the Central, Mountain, or Pacific time zones
-- 18 games against the Eastern Conference...all in the Eastern time zone for the 9 on the road
So, 13 of the 82 games play in the Eastern Conference each season and some of those will end up on weekends anyway. This season, only 8 of the 82 games ended up being on a weeknight at 6PM or 6:30.
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ISaidSo
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Cowboys are already gone to CBS they just can't say it yet....This was a move to save face when they lose the Biggest team in the city to the upstart Fan station.
whodatdj said:
What shifts are left to eliminate from KDBN and have it still on the air -- aren't they already jockless nights, overnights, and weekends?
All in all, I think this is a good move for the Stars and the Ticket. The one thing the NHL has going for it compared to the NFL, NBA, and MLB is that their fans are, on average, more educated, have higher household incomes, and more active on-line. That has been the results of several studies over the years (when working on my MBA several years ago, a Harvard Business Review case study showed those results in a class I took; http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/081002/0439417.html is a more recent marketing study showing the same thing). In other words, the audience targets for both KTCK and the Stars are pretty complimentary.
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That's interesting. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the NFL's overall audience so much larger than the NHL's that, even if you only counted the more highly educated NFL fans with higher incomes, you'd still have a number that dwarfs the NHL's entire audience.
ISaidSo said:
I don't know about that. You may be right, but thinks about this:
Can CBS give Jerry Jones a better deal then he would have if he decided to stay under the Cumulus deal. Remember it's Jerry's opt out, he left CBS cause they wheren't willing to give him a deal that he was wanting and The Ticket stepped up and did. So why would CBS be in a position to give him what he wants now. Especially now when the economy is crap and budgets are massively getting cut. Remember the bottom line is the bottom line. I just have a feeling that Jerry is not going to trade in a lucrative deal for stronger signal.
EbolaMonkey said:
Carrying the games of a NFL and a NHL team are not mutually exclusive...I was only giving the opinion in the context of this deal, I thought it would be good for both parties.
With the move, this is the first time the majority of the pro teams in our area have their games on a sports station. Until the move 2 years ago of the Cowboys to KTCK, their flagship had never been a sports station. Since moving to D/FW, the Stars were on KLIF for their first season and news/talk WBAP from the 2nd season on.
Regardless of what happens to the Cowboys (stay on KTCK, moves to KRLD-FM), our local teams' flagships are still relatively spread out. Play-by-play in other places seems far more concentrated to one or two outlets. In Detroit, the Lions, Red Wings, and Tigers share the same flagship (WXYT-FM/AM). In Philly, the Eagles, Flyers, and 76ers share the same flagship (WIP). In New York, WFAN has the Giants, Devils, Nets, and Mets while WEPN has the Jets, Rangers, and Knicks. In Tampa, WDAE has the Bucs, Lightning, and Rays.
Interesting. I would think it would be tough to run NBA and NHL teams since there are many times when they run head to head with each other. Have the Cowboys and Stars won't be much of a problem at all.
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