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Stop And Stare should just be stopped playing IMO

This is such an awful song. I can't stand it! I regret buying One Republic's album as almost all the songs are sad, weird, and depressing. A voice like his could be used for love songs or something. I can't believe it's #5 on American Top 20 hot AC radio. It's certainly not my number 5 as a listener.
 
It's amazing, really, how well this song has done. If for no other reason than the guy's vocals are just awful, and this was the STUDIO CUT! Did you hear the non-Timbaland version of "Apologize"? I can hear Simon Cowell now..."You are the worst singer in the world."
 
It's still at #5 again this week on AT 20. I'm confused whitfm - WHIT is a classic hits/rock station. Or have you changed your employment to a hot AC station? If so, what station?
 
icycool7227 said:
This is such an awful song. I can't stand it! I regret buying One Republic's album as almost all the songs are sad, weird, and depressing. A voice like his could be used for love songs or something. I can't believe it's #5 on American Top 20 hot AC radio. It's certainly not my number 5 as a listener.

YAWN!!!! Your signature says "future program director"...with the mindset of justifying why a song should be dropped is because you "can't stand it", you'll never be successful as a PD.
 
icycool7227 said:
It's still at #5 again this week on AT 20. I'm confused whitfm - WHIT is a classic hits/rock station. Or have you changed your employment to a hot AC station? If so, what station?

Whit's my name. ;)
 
Please excuse me, I was speaking as a listener. I can't say anything about other people's opinions because I'm not a PD yet. Once I am, I can see the other side. :)

mistermicrophone said:
icycool7227 said:
This is such an awful song. I can't stand it! I regret buying One Republic's album as almost all the songs are sad, weird, and depressing. A voice like his could be used for love songs or something. I can't believe it's #5 on American Top 20 hot AC radio. It's certainly not my number 5 as a listener.

YAWN!!!! Your signature says "future program director"...with the mindset of justifying why a song should be dropped is because you "can't stand it", you'll never be successful as a PD.
 
mistermicrophone said:
icycool7227 said:
This is such an awful song. I can't stand it! I regret buying One Republic's album as almost all the songs are sad, weird, and depressing. A voice like his could be used for love songs or something. I can't believe it's #5 on American Top 20 hot AC radio. It's certainly not my number 5 as a listener.

YAWN!!!! Your signature says "future program director"...with the mindset of justifying why a song should be dropped is because you "can't stand it", you'll never be successful as a PD.

Tell me then, why is this song doing so well? The hot AC audience actually likes sad depressing music with bad vocals? I probably should be posting these opinions to a music board then. I just can't see what is good about this one.
 
icycool7227 said:
Tell me then, why is this song doing so well? The hot AC audience actually likes sad depressing music with bad vocals? I probably should be posting these opinions to a music board then. I just can't see what is good about this one.

The vocals aren't that bad, and it has a solid hook. It fits the Hot AC sound well.
 
icycool7227 said:
mistermicrophone said:
icycool7227 said:
This is such an awful song. I can't stand it! I regret buying One Republic's album as almost all the songs are sad, weird, and depressing. A voice like his could be used for love songs or something. I can't believe it's #5 on American Top 20 hot AC radio. It's certainly not my number 5 as a listener.

YAWN!!!! Your signature says "future program director"...with the mindset of justifying why a song should be dropped is because you "can't stand it", you'll never be successful as a PD.

Tell me then, why is this song doing so well? The hot AC audience actually likes sad depressing music with bad vocals? I probably should be posting these opinions to a music board then. I just can't see what is good about this one.

Yeah, my point had nothing to do with the song, rather your reasoning behind why you think it shouldn't be played. Ask any programmer and I bet 99% of them have songs on their station they either hate or don't understand why it's a hit. That's the nature of the business.

Once you start allowing your own preference override the facts, you will not be successful.
 
Stop And Stare is a great song in my opinion but listeners didn't really go for it so I've rested it for a while. What they have taken a liking to is the follow up 'Say (All I Need)'.
 
IMHO, it fits the definition of a great pop song, namely, if I hear it while getting ready for work in the morning, without prompting I am still humming the hook on the ride in, at lunch, in the late afternoon etc. A strong hook can do that to you long after the music ends. I remember a friend 25 years ago commenting to me that if you heard Come On Eileen on a Monday, you would still hum the memorable hook on Friday regardless of whether you heard the song again
 
It's at #2 now! It's driving me nuts! You see since I'm not a PD yet I am free to say what I want as a listener about this. It just doesn't do it for me and is a song I turn the volume down or off to.
 
I don't know, it's not that bad. Better than that Maroon 5 & Rihanna song. Gag.
 
icycool7227 said:
It's at #2 now! It's driving me nuts! You see since I'm not a PD yet I am free to say what I want as a listener about this. It just doesn't do it for me and is a song I turn the volume down or off to.

I am assuming you are not in the demo, so your opinion of the song in regards to the Hot AC format is, well, irrelevant. Even as a PD you can say what you want about a song you don't like...when you decide what to play based on personal feelings, that's when your station will suffer.
 
Well I would ask people why they like it so much. I honestly have listened to the entire One Republic CD and regret buying it. There are lots of other songs that would do so much better if they were just played more often. What about Gavin Rossdale's "Love Remains The Same"? Metro Station's "Shake It"? Those are just two examples.

mistermicrophone said:
icycool7227 said:
It's at #2 now! It's driving me nuts! You see since I'm not a PD yet I am free to say what I want as a listener about this. It just doesn't do it for me and is a song I turn the volume down or off to.

I am assuming you are not in the demo, so your opinion of the song in regards to the Hot AC format is, well, irrelevant. Even as a PD you can say what you want about a song you don't like...when you decide what to play based on personal feelings, that's when your station will suffer.
 
icycool7227 said:
Well I would ask people why they like it so much. I honestly have listened to the entire One Republic CD and regret buying it. There are lots of other songs that would do so much better if they were just played more often. What about Gavin Rossdale's "Love Remains The Same"? Metro Station's "Shake It"? Those are just two examples.

Once again, you are not in the demo and your likes and dislikes are irrelevant when it comes to Hot AC. Flawed or not, the research shows that the women who prefer the Hot AC format like Stop & Stare, a lot. The Gavin Rossdale song has been taking a while to callout...if it breaks top 10, I doubt a lot of stations will power it. Metro Station is anotherone of those polarizing songs, it sounds young for for some Hot AC's and good for others.
 
mistermicrophone said:
icycool7227 said:
Well I would ask people why they like it so much. I honestly have listened to the entire One Republic CD and regret buying it. There are lots of other songs that would do so much better if they were just played more often. What about Gavin Rossdale's "Love Remains The Same"? Metro Station's "Shake It"? Those are just two examples.

Once again, you are not in the demo and your likes and dislikes are irrelevant when it comes to Hot AC. Flawed or not, the research shows that the women who prefer the Hot AC format like Stop & Stare, a lot. The Gavin Rossdale song has been taking a while to callout...if it breaks top 10, I doubt a lot of stations will power it. Metro Station is anotherone of those polarizing songs, it sounds young for for some Hot AC's and good for others.

And this is one of the larger problems facing Hot AC as a format today. There is very little "middle ground" music lately which was the meat and potatoes of the Hot AC format for so long. We end up with many "polaring" songs, as you put it, which makes programming the format somewhat difficult. People just don't seem to take to that middle-of-the-road kind of new music anymore...and that is substantiated by the fact that most PD's lists of HAC "core artists" still include bands like Third Eye Blind, Matchbox Twenty (pre-2007), Sarah McLachlan, and the like. There have been very few acts to add to that list since about 2003.

Music is somewhat cyclical in overall style, and the current popularity of synthesized urban/dance music in the Top 40 world is not unlike the surge in popularity of synth beats in the 80's. We will see it come back around for Hot AC, we just have to give it time.
 
whitfm said:
mistermicrophone said:
icycool7227 said:
Well I would ask people why they like it so much. I honestly have listened to the entire One Republic CD and regret buying it. There are lots of other songs that would do so much better if they were just played more often. What about Gavin Rossdale's "Love Remains The Same"? Metro Station's "Shake It"? Those are just two examples.

Once again, you are not in the demo and your likes and dislikes are irrelevant when it comes to Hot AC. Flawed or not, the research shows that the women who prefer the Hot AC format like Stop & Stare, a lot. The Gavin Rossdale song has been taking a while to callout...if it breaks top 10, I doubt a lot of stations will power it. Metro Station is anotherone of those polarizing songs, it sounds young for for some Hot AC's and good for others.

And this is one of the larger problems facing Hot AC as a format today. There is very little "middle ground" music lately which was the meat and potatoes of the Hot AC format for so long. We end up with many "polaring" songs, as you put it, which makes programming the format somewhat difficult. People just don't seem to take to that middle-of-the-road kind of new music anymore...and that is substantiated by the fact that most PD's lists of HAC "core artists" still include bands like Third Eye Blind, Matchbox Twenty (pre-2007), Sarah McLachlan, and the like. There have been very few acts to add to that list since about 2003.

Music is somewhat cyclical in overall style, and the current popularity of synthesized urban/dance music in the Top 40 world is not unlike the surge in popularity of synth beats in the 80's. We will see it come back around for Hot AC, we just have to give it time.

I'll agree with the core artists. Who have we seen recently as core? John Mayer? Kelly Clarkson? Can we argue for anyone else?

I will admit, I have seen a surgence of male listeners with some of the stuff I've been spinning recently (Seether, Puddle of Mudd etc.)
 
mistermicrophone said:
icycool7227 said:
Well I would ask people why they like it so much. I honestly have listened to the entire One Republic CD and regret buying it. There are lots of other songs that would do so much better if they were just played more often. What about Gavin Rossdale's "Love Remains The Same"? Metro Station's "Shake It"? Those are just two examples.

Once again, you are not in the demo and your likes and dislikes are irrelevant when it comes to Hot AC. Flawed or not, the research shows that the women who prefer the Hot AC format like Stop & Stare, a lot. The Gavin Rossdale song has been taking a while to callout...if it breaks top 10, I doubt a lot of stations will power it. Metro Station is anotherone of those polarizing songs, it sounds young for for some Hot AC's and good for others.

Yet I saw on another board (Kentucky) talk of a hot AC station that has no female jocks or staff so what does that tell ya?
 
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