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OldiesCat
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More great news for Jack-LA, up to #3 25-54.
Only OK for WJMK. Totally lousy for CBS-FM, at their lowest point in years.
Only OK for WJMK. Totally lousy for CBS-FM, at their lowest point in years.
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> More great news for Jack-LA, up to #3 25-54.
>
> Only OK for WJMK. Totally lousy for CBS-FM, at their lowest
> point in years.
>
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>
> Only OK for WJMK. Totally lousy for CBS-FM, at their lowest
> point in years.
>
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OldiesCat
Guest
NY trends
boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good for some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong station and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again, you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
>
> It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing in 2 books or so.
>
boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good for some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong station and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again, you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
>
> It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing in 2 books or so.
>
Re: NY trends
> boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good for
> some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong station
> and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
I expect CBS fm to pull in weak, but not low numbers. The demand for an Oldies station is very high there. Some of the protesters are actually in their late thirties, and happend to enjoy that station very much as an oldies station.
(yes, most are around the age of 45, respectfully.) <P ID="signature">______________
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</P>
> boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good for
> some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong station
> and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
I expect CBS fm to pull in weak, but not low numbers. The demand for an Oldies station is very high there. Some of the protesters are actually in their late thirties, and happend to enjoy that station very much as an oldies station.
(yes, most are around the age of 45, respectfully.) <P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
Re: NY trends
> boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good for
> some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong station
> and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
>
Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of a start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing now". Then again we might say "Remember what a good start Jack/LA had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things about radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
>
> > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing in
> 2 books or so.
> >
>
> boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good for
> some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong station
> and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
>
Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of a start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing now". Then again we might say "Remember what a good start Jack/LA had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things about radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
>
> > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing in
> 2 books or so.
> >
>
Re: NY trends
> > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good
> for
> > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
> station
> > and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
> >
>
> Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of a
> start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing now".
> Then again we might say "Remember what a good start Jack/LA
> had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things about
> radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
I wonder what people were thinking when Jack in Dallas came around. Well, Jack is starting to fall off a little.
> >
> > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing
> in
> > 2 books or so.
> > >
> >
>
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> > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good
> for
> > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
> station
> > and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
> >
>
> Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of a
> start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing now".
> Then again we might say "Remember what a good start Jack/LA
> had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things about
> radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
I wonder what people were thinking when Jack in Dallas came around. Well, Jack is starting to fall off a little.
> >
> > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing
> in
> > 2 books or so.
> > >
> >
>
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Re: NY trends
If you don't know what the future will bring and you're IN radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip because you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all changed now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you years to bill half of what you were billing before you flipped, you made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what you're doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to be. This is another example of how many of those running radio shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good
> for
> > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
> station
> > and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
> >
>
> Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of a
> start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing now".
> Then again we might say "Remember what a good start Jack/LA
> had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things about
> radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
>
>
> >
> > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing
> in
> > 2 books or so.
> > >
> >
>
If you don't know what the future will bring and you're IN radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip because you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all changed now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you years to bill half of what you were billing before you flipped, you made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what you're doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to be. This is another example of how many of those running radio shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good
> for
> > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
> station
> > and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
> >
>
> Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of a
> start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing now".
> Then again we might say "Remember what a good start Jack/LA
> had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things about
> radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
>
>
> >
> > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing
> in
> > 2 books or so.
> > >
> >
>
Re: NY trends
> If you don't know what the future will bring and you're IN
> radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip because
> you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all changed
> now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you years to
> bill half of what you were billing before you flipped, you
> made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what you're
> doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to be.
> This is another example of how many of those running radio
> shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
Because this is a new format with no longterm track record (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to know what kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel Hollander believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know for sure how things will turn out. He basically admitted to that in the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I would call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack. History will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at least he didn't play scared.
Because radio is in a constant state of change it's really impossible for anyone to predict the future with certainty. Even if you flip a station to a format that you know is going to succeed and you have research to back it up, another station could soon flip to a similar format and fragment the audience. There are many other variables as well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going to happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong "feel" for what will be successful and then do everything possible to execute that idea and make it work.
>
> > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good
>
> > for
> > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
> > station
> > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> > > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
> > >
> >
> > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of a
> > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing
> now".
> > Then again we might say "Remember what a good start
> Jack/LA
> > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things
> about
> > radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing
>
> > in
> > > 2 books or so.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> If you don't know what the future will bring and you're IN
> radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip because
> you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all changed
> now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you years to
> bill half of what you were billing before you flipped, you
> made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what you're
> doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to be.
> This is another example of how many of those running radio
> shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
Because this is a new format with no longterm track record (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to know what kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel Hollander believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know for sure how things will turn out. He basically admitted to that in the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I would call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack. History will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at least he didn't play scared.
Because radio is in a constant state of change it's really impossible for anyone to predict the future with certainty. Even if you flip a station to a format that you know is going to succeed and you have research to back it up, another station could soon flip to a similar format and fragment the audience. There are many other variables as well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going to happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong "feel" for what will be successful and then do everything possible to execute that idea and make it work.
>
> > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very good
>
> > for
> > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
> > station
> > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
> > > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
> > >
> >
> > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of a
> > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing
> now".
> > Then again we might say "Remember what a good start
> Jack/LA
> > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things
> about
> > radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is doing
>
> > in
> > > 2 books or so.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: NY trends
> > If you don't know what the future will bring and you're IN
>
> > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip because
> > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all
> changed
> > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you years
> to
> > bill half of what you were billing before you flipped, you
>
> > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what
> you're
> > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to be.
> > This is another example of how many of those running radio
>
> > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
>
>
> Because this is a new format with no longterm track record
> (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to know what
> kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel Hollander
> believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know for sure
> how things will turn out. He basically admitted to that in
> the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I would
> call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack. History
> will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at least
> he didn't play scared.
>
> Because radio is in a constant state of change it's really
> impossible for anyone to predict the future with certainty.
> Even if you flip a station to a format that you know is
> going to succeed and you have research to back it up,
> another station could soon flip to a similar format and
> fragment the audience. There are many other variables as
> well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going to
> happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong "feel" for
> what will be successful and then do everything possible to
> execute that idea and make it work.
The format has only been around in the US for a little more than a year. You have to give it a couple of years, probably more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just a few books, but a few years.
> >
> > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very
> good
> >
> > > for
> > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
> > > station
> > > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
>
> > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of
> a
> > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing
> > now".
> > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good start
> > Jack/LA
> > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things
> > about
> > > radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is
> doing
> >
> > > in
> > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > If you don't know what the future will bring and you're IN
>
> > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip because
> > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all
> changed
> > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you years
> to
> > bill half of what you were billing before you flipped, you
>
> > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what
> you're
> > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to be.
> > This is another example of how many of those running radio
>
> > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
>
>
> Because this is a new format with no longterm track record
> (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to know what
> kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel Hollander
> believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know for sure
> how things will turn out. He basically admitted to that in
> the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I would
> call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack. History
> will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at least
> he didn't play scared.
>
> Because radio is in a constant state of change it's really
> impossible for anyone to predict the future with certainty.
> Even if you flip a station to a format that you know is
> going to succeed and you have research to back it up,
> another station could soon flip to a similar format and
> fragment the audience. There are many other variables as
> well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going to
> happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong "feel" for
> what will be successful and then do everything possible to
> execute that idea and make it work.
The format has only been around in the US for a little more than a year. You have to give it a couple of years, probably more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just a few books, but a few years.
> >
> > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very
> good
> >
> > > for
> > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
> > > station
> > > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But, again,
>
> > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow of
> a
> > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing
> > now".
> > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good start
> > Jack/LA
> > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things
> > about
> > > radio, you never quite know what the future will bring.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is
> doing
> >
> > > in
> > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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</P>
Re: NY trends
Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my years in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad moves.
> > > If you don't know what the future will bring and you're
> IN
> >
> > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip
> because
> > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all
> > changed
> > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you years
>
> > to
> > > bill half of what you were billing before you flipped,
> you
> >
> > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what
> > you're
> > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to be.
>
> > > This is another example of how many of those running
> radio
> >
> > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> >
> >
> > Because this is a new format with no longterm track record
>
> > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to know
> what
> > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
> Hollander
> > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know for
> sure
> > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to that in
>
> > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I
> would
> > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack. History
>
> > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at
> least
> > he didn't play scared.
> >
> > Because radio is in a constant state of change it's really
>
> > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> certainty.
> > Even if you flip a station to a format that you know is
> > going to succeed and you have research to back it up,
> > another station could soon flip to a similar format and
> > fragment the audience. There are many other variables as
> > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going to
> > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong "feel"
> for
> > what will be successful and then do everything possible to
>
> > execute that idea and make it work.
>
> The format has only been around in the US for a little more
> than a year. You have to give it a couple of years, probably
> more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just a few
> books, but a few years.
>
> > >
> > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very
> > good
> > >
> > > > for
> > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
>
> > > > station
> > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But,
> again,
> >
> > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow
> of
> > a
> > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing
>
> > > now".
> > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good start
> > > Jack/LA
> > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things
> > > about
> > > > radio, you never quite know what the future will
> bring.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is
> > doing
> > >
> > > > in
> > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my years in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad moves.
> > > If you don't know what the future will bring and you're
> IN
> >
> > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip
> because
> > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all
> > changed
> > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you years
>
> > to
> > > bill half of what you were billing before you flipped,
> you
> >
> > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what
> > you're
> > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to be.
>
> > > This is another example of how many of those running
> radio
> >
> > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> >
> >
> > Because this is a new format with no longterm track record
>
> > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to know
> what
> > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
> Hollander
> > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know for
> sure
> > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to that in
>
> > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I
> would
> > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack. History
>
> > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at
> least
> > he didn't play scared.
> >
> > Because radio is in a constant state of change it's really
>
> > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> certainty.
> > Even if you flip a station to a format that you know is
> > going to succeed and you have research to back it up,
> > another station could soon flip to a similar format and
> > fragment the audience. There are many other variables as
> > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going to
> > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong "feel"
> for
> > what will be successful and then do everything possible to
>
> > execute that idea and make it work.
>
> The format has only been around in the US for a little more
> than a year. You have to give it a couple of years, probably
> more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just a few
> books, but a few years.
>
> > >
> > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very, very
> > good
> > >
> > > > for
> > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the wrong
>
> > > > station
> > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But,
> again,
> >
> > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next year.
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow
> of
> > a
> > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are doing
>
> > > now".
> > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good start
> > > Jack/LA
> > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun things
> > > about
> > > > radio, you never quite know what the future will
> bring.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is
> > doing
> > >
> > > > in
> > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
Jack progress
> Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my years
> in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad moves.
Yeah right- and you're perfect?
Previous poster is right- six months or a year from now, you and I have no clue how JACK will grow and evolve (of course, it's SO new those who've put it on are still in the process of fleshing it out). Just because you don't agree with how they did this doesn't mean it'll end up a bad move. So, give 'em a break and give 'em a chance. If it falls flat in a year or two, come back, crow all you want and feel better for 5 minutes.
> Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my years
> in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad moves.
Yeah right- and you're perfect?
Previous poster is right- six months or a year from now, you and I have no clue how JACK will grow and evolve (of course, it's SO new those who've put it on are still in the process of fleshing it out). Just because you don't agree with how they did this doesn't mean it'll end up a bad move. So, give 'em a break and give 'em a chance. If it falls flat in a year or two, come back, crow all you want and feel better for 5 minutes.
Re: NY trends
> Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my years
> in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad
> moves.
Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio, I'm surprised. The format has been around for over a year, a lot less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even if you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a format you don't like.
> > > > If you don't know what the future will bring and
> you're
> > IN
> > >
> > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip
> > because
> > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all
> > > changed
> > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you
> years
> >
> > > to
> > > > bill half of what you were billing before you flipped,
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what
> > > you're
> > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to
> be.
> >
> > > > This is another example of how many of those running
> > radio
> > >
> > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > >
> > >
> > > Because this is a new format with no longterm track
> record
> >
> > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to know
> > what
> > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
> > Hollander
> > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know for
> > sure
> > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to that
> in
> >
> > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I
> > would
> > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack.
> History
> >
> > > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at
> > least
> > > he didn't play scared.
> > >
> > > Because radio is in a constant state of change it's
> really
> >
> > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> > certainty.
> > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you know is
> > > going to succeed and you have research to back it up,
> > > another station could soon flip to a similar format and
> > > fragment the audience. There are many other variables as
>
> > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going to
> > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong "feel"
> > for
> > > what will be successful and then do everything possible
> to
> >
> > > execute that idea and make it work.
> >
> > The format has only been around in the US for a little
> more
> > than a year. You have to give it a couple of years,
> probably
> > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just a
> few
> > books, but a few years.
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very,
> very
> > > good
> > > >
> > > > > for
> > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the
> wrong
> >
> > > > > station
> > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But,
> > again,
> > >
> > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next
> year.
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow
>
> > of
> > > a
> > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are
> doing
> >
> > > > now".
> > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good start
> > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun
> things
> > > > about
> > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future will
> > bring.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is
>
> > > doing
> > > >
> > > > > in
> > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my years
> in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad
> moves.
Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio, I'm surprised. The format has been around for over a year, a lot less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even if you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a format you don't like.
> > > > If you don't know what the future will bring and
> you're
> > IN
> > >
> > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip
> > because
> > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all
> > > changed
> > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you
> years
> >
> > > to
> > > > bill half of what you were billing before you flipped,
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what
> > > you're
> > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to
> be.
> >
> > > > This is another example of how many of those running
> > radio
> > >
> > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > >
> > >
> > > Because this is a new format with no longterm track
> record
> >
> > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to know
> > what
> > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
> > Hollander
> > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know for
> > sure
> > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to that
> in
> >
> > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I
> > would
> > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack.
> History
> >
> > > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at
> > least
> > > he didn't play scared.
> > >
> > > Because radio is in a constant state of change it's
> really
> >
> > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> > certainty.
> > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you know is
> > > going to succeed and you have research to back it up,
> > > another station could soon flip to a similar format and
> > > fragment the audience. There are many other variables as
>
> > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going to
> > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong "feel"
> > for
> > > what will be successful and then do everything possible
> to
> >
> > > execute that idea and make it work.
> >
> > The format has only been around in the US for a little
> more
> > than a year. You have to give it a couple of years,
> probably
> > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just a
> few
> > books, but a few years.
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very,
> very
> > > good
> > > >
> > > > > for
> > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the
> wrong
> >
> > > > > station
> > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But,
> > again,
> > >
> > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next
> year.
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how slow
>
> > of
> > > a
> > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are
> doing
> >
> > > > now".
> > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good start
> > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun
> things
> > > > about
> > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future will
> > bring.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM is
>
> > > doing
> > > >
> > > > > in
> > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: NY trends
Try this on for size. I've been out of radio for about 7 years by choice. I had almost 35 in. I never once judged a format on what I liked, if I did that I would not have been as successful. From a professional, former WINNER in radio, this is a terrible format, it's just brutal. It won't top what it replaced in revenue. This will not outbill nor outprofit what it has replaced. The revenue will be lower. No matter how low the operating costs this still won't make more than what it replaced and that's why it's a loser.
> > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my
> years
> > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad
> > moves.
>
> Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio, I'm
> surprised. The format has been around for over a year, a lot
> less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even if
> you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a format you
> don't like.
>
> > > > > If you don't know what the future will bring and
> > you're
> > > IN
> > > >
> > > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip
> > > because
> > > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all
>
> > > > changed
> > > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you
> > years
> > >
> > > > to
> > > > > bill half of what you were billing before you
> flipped,
> >
> > > you
> > > >
> > > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what
>
> > > > you're
> > > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to
>
> > be.
> > >
> > > > > This is another example of how many of those running
>
> > > radio
> > > >
> > > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Because this is a new format with no longterm track
> > record
> > >
> > > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to
> know
> > > what
> > > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
> > > Hollander
> > > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know
> for
> > > sure
> > > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to
> that
> > in
> > >
> > > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I
>
> > > would
> > > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack.
> > History
> > >
> > > > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at
> > > least
> > > > he didn't play scared.
> > > >
> > > > Because radio is in a constant state of change it's
> > really
> > >
> > > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> > > certainty.
> > > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you know
> is
> > > > going to succeed and you have research to back it up,
> > > > another station could soon flip to a similar format
> and
> > > > fragment the audience. There are many other variables
> as
> >
> > > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going
> to
> > > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong
> "feel"
> > > for
> > > > what will be successful and then do everything
> possible
> > to
> > >
> > > > execute that idea and make it work.
> > >
> > > The format has only been around in the US for a little
> > more
> > > than a year. You have to give it a couple of years,
> > probably
> > > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just a
> > few
> > > books, but a few years.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very,
> > very
> > > > good
> > > > >
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the
> > wrong
> > >
> > > > > > station
> > > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But,
> > > again,
> > > >
> > > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next
> > year.
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how
> slow
> >
> > > of
> > > > a
> > > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are
> > doing
> > >
> > > > > now".
> > > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good
> start
> > > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun
> > things
> > > > > about
> > > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future will
> > > bring.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM
> is
> >
> > > > doing
> > > > >
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Try this on for size. I've been out of radio for about 7 years by choice. I had almost 35 in. I never once judged a format on what I liked, if I did that I would not have been as successful. From a professional, former WINNER in radio, this is a terrible format, it's just brutal. It won't top what it replaced in revenue. This will not outbill nor outprofit what it has replaced. The revenue will be lower. No matter how low the operating costs this still won't make more than what it replaced and that's why it's a loser.
> > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my
> years
> > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad
> > moves.
>
> Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio, I'm
> surprised. The format has been around for over a year, a lot
> less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even if
> you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a format you
> don't like.
>
> > > > > If you don't know what the future will bring and
> > you're
> > > IN
> > > >
> > > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip
> > > because
> > > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all
>
> > > > changed
> > > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you
> > years
> > >
> > > > to
> > > > > bill half of what you were billing before you
> flipped,
> >
> > > you
> > > >
> > > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what
>
> > > > you're
> > > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to
>
> > be.
> > >
> > > > > This is another example of how many of those running
>
> > > radio
> > > >
> > > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Because this is a new format with no longterm track
> > record
> > >
> > > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to
> know
> > > what
> > > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
> > > Hollander
> > > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know
> for
> > > sure
> > > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to
> that
> > in
> > >
> > > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of. I
>
> > > would
> > > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack.
> > History
> > >
> > > > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but at
> > > least
> > > > he didn't play scared.
> > > >
> > > > Because radio is in a constant state of change it's
> > really
> > >
> > > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> > > certainty.
> > > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you know
> is
> > > > going to succeed and you have research to back it up,
> > > > another station could soon flip to a similar format
> and
> > > > fragment the audience. There are many other variables
> as
> >
> > > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going
> to
> > > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong
> "feel"
> > > for
> > > > what will be successful and then do everything
> possible
> > to
> > >
> > > > execute that idea and make it work.
> > >
> > > The format has only been around in the US for a little
> > more
> > > than a year. You have to give it a couple of years,
> > probably
> > > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just a
> > few
> > > books, but a few years.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very,
> > very
> > > > good
> > > > >
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the
> > wrong
> > >
> > > > > > station
> > > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover. But,
> > > again,
> > > >
> > > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next
> > year.
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how
> slow
> >
> > > of
> > > > a
> > > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are
> > doing
> > >
> > > > > now".
> > > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good
> start
> > > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun
> > things
> > > > > about
> > > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future will
> > > bring.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS FM
> is
> >
> > > > doing
> > > > >
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Jack progress
Not perfect but far smarter than most. I understand people dislike those who are sure of themselves, it's understandable. I'm only sure of a few things and don't stretch my limits. I never feel better when I'm right about stupid format flips because people's jobs, lives and families get thrown up for grabs. Jack will be Jack'd Off in less than two years and it will be laughed at in five. You may not want to agree with me or you just may hope I'm wrong but I'm not.
> > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my
> years
> > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad
> moves.
>
>
> Yeah right- and you're perfect?
>
> Previous poster is right- six months or a year from now, you
> and I have no clue how JACK will grow and evolve (of course,
> it's SO new those who've put it on are still in the process
> of fleshing it out). Just because you don't agree with how
> they did this doesn't mean it'll end up a bad move. So,
> give 'em a break and give 'em a chance. If it falls flat in
> a year or two, come back, crow all you want and feel better
> for 5 minutes.
>
Not perfect but far smarter than most. I understand people dislike those who are sure of themselves, it's understandable. I'm only sure of a few things and don't stretch my limits. I never feel better when I'm right about stupid format flips because people's jobs, lives and families get thrown up for grabs. Jack will be Jack'd Off in less than two years and it will be laughed at in five. You may not want to agree with me or you just may hope I'm wrong but I'm not.
> > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my
> years
> > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad
> moves.
>
>
> Yeah right- and you're perfect?
>
> Previous poster is right- six months or a year from now, you
> and I have no clue how JACK will grow and evolve (of course,
> it's SO new those who've put it on are still in the process
> of fleshing it out). Just because you don't agree with how
> they did this doesn't mean it'll end up a bad move. So,
> give 'em a break and give 'em a chance. If it falls flat in
> a year or two, come back, crow all you want and feel better
> for 5 minutes.
>
Re: NY trends
> this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
Again, this is YOUR opinion.
> > > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my
> > years
> > > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify
> bad
> > > moves.
> >
> > Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio, I'm
>
> > surprised. The format has been around for over a year, a
> lot
> > less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even if
> > you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a format
> you
> > don't like.
> >
> > > > > > If you don't know what the future will bring and
> > > you're
> > > > IN
> > > > >
> > > > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip
> > > > because
> > > > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's
> all
> >
> > > > > changed
> > > > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you
>
> > > years
> > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > > bill half of what you were billing before you
> > flipped,
> > >
> > > > you
> > > > >
> > > > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know
> what
> >
> > > > > you're
> > > > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed
> to
> >
> > > be.
> > > >
> > > > > > This is another example of how many of those
> running
> >
> > > > radio
> > > > >
> > > > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Because this is a new format with no longterm track
> > > record
> > > >
> > > > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to
> > know
> > > > what
> > > > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
> > > > Hollander
> > > > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know
> > for
> > > > sure
> > > > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to
> > that
> > > in
> > > >
> > > > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of.
> I
> >
> > > > would
> > > > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack.
> > > History
> > > >
> > > > > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but
> at
> > > > least
> > > > > he didn't play scared.
> > > > >
> > > > > Because radio is in a constant state of change it's
> > > really
> > > >
> > > > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> > > > certainty.
> > > > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you know
>
> > is
> > > > > going to succeed and you have research to back it
> up,
> > > > > another station could soon flip to a similar format
> > and
> > > > > fragment the audience. There are many other
> variables
> > as
> > >
> > > > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going
>
> > to
> > > > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong
> > "feel"
> > > > for
> > > > > what will be successful and then do everything
> > possible
> > > to
> > > >
> > > > > execute that idea and make it work.
> > > >
> > > > The format has only been around in the US for a little
>
> > > more
> > > > than a year. You have to give it a couple of years,
> > > probably
> > > > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just
> a
> > > few
> > > > books, but a few years.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very,
>
> > > very
> > > > > good
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the
>
> > > wrong
> > > >
> > > > > > > station
> > > > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover.
> But,
> > > > again,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next
> > > year.
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how
> > slow
> > >
> > > > of
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are
>
> > > doing
> > > >
> > > > > > now".
> > > > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good
> > start
> > > > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun
> > > things
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future will
>
> > > > bring.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS
> FM
> > is
> > >
> > > > > doing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
Again, this is YOUR opinion.
> > > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my
> > years
> > > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify
> bad
> > > moves.
> >
> > Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio, I'm
>
> > surprised. The format has been around for over a year, a
> lot
> > less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even if
> > you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a format
> you
> > don't like.
> >
> > > > > > If you don't know what the future will bring and
> > > you're
> > > > IN
> > > > >
> > > > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip
> > > > because
> > > > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's
> all
> >
> > > > > changed
> > > > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you
>
> > > years
> > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > > bill half of what you were billing before you
> > flipped,
> > >
> > > > you
> > > > >
> > > > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know
> what
> >
> > > > > you're
> > > > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed
> to
> >
> > > be.
> > > >
> > > > > > This is another example of how many of those
> running
> >
> > > > radio
> > > > >
> > > > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Because this is a new format with no longterm track
> > > record
> > > >
> > > > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to
> > know
> > > > what
> > > > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
> > > > Hollander
> > > > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't know
> > for
> > > > sure
> > > > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to
> > that
> > > in
> > > >
> > > > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical of.
> I
> >
> > > > would
> > > > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack.
> > > History
> > > >
> > > > > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but
> at
> > > > least
> > > > > he didn't play scared.
> > > > >
> > > > > Because radio is in a constant state of change it's
> > > really
> > > >
> > > > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> > > > certainty.
> > > > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you know
>
> > is
> > > > > going to succeed and you have research to back it
> up,
> > > > > another station could soon flip to a similar format
> > and
> > > > > fragment the audience. There are many other
> variables
> > as
> > >
> > > > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's going
>
> > to
> > > > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong
> > "feel"
> > > > for
> > > > > what will be successful and then do everything
> > possible
> > > to
> > > >
> > > > > execute that idea and make it work.
> > > >
> > > > The format has only been around in the US for a little
>
> > > more
> > > > than a year. You have to give it a couple of years,
> > > probably
> > > > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not just
> a
> > > few
> > > > books, but a few years.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been very,
>
> > > very
> > > > > good
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped the
>
> > > wrong
> > > >
> > > > > > > station
> > > > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover.
> But,
> > > > again,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time next
> > > year.
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember how
> > slow
> > >
> > > > of
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they are
>
> > > doing
> > > >
> > > > > > now".
> > > > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good
> > start
> > > > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun
> > > things
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future will
>
> > > > bring.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS
> FM
> > is
> > >
> > > > > doing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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NY trends
> > this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
And with such a negative, skeptical, cynical view of things, I for one am glad the cat's out of the biz.
> > this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
And with such a negative, skeptical, cynical view of things, I for one am glad the cat's out of the biz.
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OldiesCat
Guest
Jack
Not about being right or wrong but about having such a negative perspective on something it's obvious you are quite biased against.
I don't know if Jack will sink or swim, any more than any other format, and despite the fact (you can ask around) I tend to be pretty sure of myself as well,
to just write-off such a new format so early is really pretty arrogant. It's not just a like/dislike of Jack but your overall glass-is-half-empty tone everytime you address the Jack format.
> Not perfect but far smarter than most. I understand people
> dislike those who are sure of themselves, it's
> understandable. I'm only sure of a few things and don't
> stretch my limits. I never feel better when I'm right about
> stupid format flips because people's jobs, lives and
> families get thrown up for grabs. Jack will be Jack'd Off in
> less than two years and it will be laughed at in five. You
> may not want to agree with me or you just may hope I'm wrong
> but I'm not.
Not about being right or wrong but about having such a negative perspective on something it's obvious you are quite biased against.
I don't know if Jack will sink or swim, any more than any other format, and despite the fact (you can ask around) I tend to be pretty sure of myself as well,
to just write-off such a new format so early is really pretty arrogant. It's not just a like/dislike of Jack but your overall glass-is-half-empty tone everytime you address the Jack format.
> Not perfect but far smarter than most. I understand people
> dislike those who are sure of themselves, it's
> understandable. I'm only sure of a few things and don't
> stretch my limits. I never feel better when I'm right about
> stupid format flips because people's jobs, lives and
> families get thrown up for grabs. Jack will be Jack'd Off in
> less than two years and it will be laughed at in five. You
> may not want to agree with me or you just may hope I'm wrong
> but I'm not.
Re: NY trends
Wrong, this is a fact. An opinion is when someone without all the facts voices a thought on a particular subject in hopes of getting others to see it their way. I'm not trying to get you to see anything my way, I'm simply telling you that anyone who claims to know what they're doing in radio could not possibly subscribe to such a complete and utterly stupid concept as Jack, not in this day and age. To do so says you're completely out of touch with things and part of the reason listeners find radio less and less important. It's not opinion, it's fact. I'm just pointing the facts out before you can see them.
> > this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
>
>
> Again, this is YOUR opinion.
>
>
> > > > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my
>
> > > years
> > > > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify
> > bad
> > > > moves.
> > >
> > > Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio,
> I'm
> >
> > > surprised. The format has been around for over a year, a
>
> > lot
> > > less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even
> if
> > > you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a format
>
> > you
> > > don't like.
> > >
> > > > > > > If you don't know what the future will bring and
>
> > > > you're
> > > > > IN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You
> flip
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's
>
> > all
> > >
> > > > > > changed
> > > > > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes
> you
> >
> > > > years
> > > > >
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > bill half of what you were billing before you
> > > flipped,
> > > >
> > > > > you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know
> > what
> > >
> > > > > > you're
> > > > > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're
> supposed
> > to
> > >
> > > > be.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > This is another example of how many of those
> > running
> > >
> > > > > radio
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because this is a new format with no longterm
> track
> > > > record
> > > > >
> > > > > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to
>
> > > know
> > > > > what
> > > > > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
>
> > > > > Hollander
> > > > > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't
> know
> > > for
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to
>
> > > that
> > > > in
> > > > >
> > > > > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical
> of.
> > I
> > >
> > > > > would
> > > > > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack.
>
> > > > History
> > > > >
> > > > > > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but
>
> > at
> > > > > least
> > > > > > he didn't play scared.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because radio is in a constant state of change
> it's
> > > > really
> > > > >
> > > > > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> > > > > certainty.
> > > > > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you
> know
> >
> > > is
> > > > > > going to succeed and you have research to back it
> > up,
> > > > > > another station could soon flip to a similar
> format
> > > and
> > > > > > fragment the audience. There are many other
> > variables
> > > as
> > > >
> > > > > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's
> going
> >
> > > to
> > > > > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong
> > > "feel"
> > > > > for
> > > > > > what will be successful and then do everything
> > > possible
> > > > to
> > > > >
> > > > > > execute that idea and make it work.
> > > > >
> > > > > The format has only been around in the US for a
> little
> >
> > > > more
> > > > > than a year. You have to give it a couple of years,
> > > > probably
> > > > > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not
> just
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > > books, but a few years.
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been
> very,
> >
> > > > very
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped
> the
> >
> > > > wrong
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > station
> > > > > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover.
> > But,
> > > > > again,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time
> next
> > > > year.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember
> how
> > > slow
> > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they
> are
> >
> > > > doing
> > > > >
> > > > > > > now".
> > > > > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good
> > > start
> > > > > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun
>
> > > > things
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future
> will
> >
> > > > > bring.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS
>
> > FM
> > > is
> > > >
> > > > > > doing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Wrong, this is a fact. An opinion is when someone without all the facts voices a thought on a particular subject in hopes of getting others to see it their way. I'm not trying to get you to see anything my way, I'm simply telling you that anyone who claims to know what they're doing in radio could not possibly subscribe to such a complete and utterly stupid concept as Jack, not in this day and age. To do so says you're completely out of touch with things and part of the reason listeners find radio less and less important. It's not opinion, it's fact. I'm just pointing the facts out before you can see them.
> > this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
>
>
> Again, this is YOUR opinion.
>
>
> > > > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my
>
> > > years
> > > > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify
> > bad
> > > > moves.
> > >
> > > Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio,
> I'm
> >
> > > surprised. The format has been around for over a year, a
>
> > lot
> > > less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even
> if
> > > you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a format
>
> > you
> > > don't like.
> > >
> > > > > > > If you don't know what the future will bring and
>
> > > > you're
> > > > > IN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You
> flip
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's
>
> > all
> > >
> > > > > > changed
> > > > > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes
> you
> >
> > > > years
> > > > >
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > bill half of what you were billing before you
> > > flipped,
> > > >
> > > > > you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know
> > what
> > >
> > > > > > you're
> > > > > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're
> supposed
> > to
> > >
> > > > be.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > This is another example of how many of those
> > running
> > >
> > > > > radio
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because this is a new format with no longterm
> track
> > > > record
> > > > >
> > > > > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone to
>
> > > know
> > > > > what
> > > > > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously, Joel
>
> > > > > Hollander
> > > > > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't
> know
> > > for
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted to
>
> > > that
> > > > in
> > > > >
> > > > > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical
> of.
> > I
> > >
> > > > > would
> > > > > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to Jack.
>
> > > > History
> > > > >
> > > > > > will show whether they were good or bad moves, but
>
> > at
> > > > > least
> > > > > > he didn't play scared.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because radio is in a constant state of change
> it's
> > > > really
> > > > >
> > > > > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
> > > > > certainty.
> > > > > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you
> know
> >
> > > is
> > > > > > going to succeed and you have research to back it
> > up,
> > > > > > another station could soon flip to a similar
> format
> > > and
> > > > > > fragment the audience. There are many other
> > variables
> > > as
> > > >
> > > > > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's
> going
> >
> > > to
> > > > > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong
> > > "feel"
> > > > > for
> > > > > > what will be successful and then do everything
> > > possible
> > > > to
> > > > >
> > > > > > execute that idea and make it work.
> > > > >
> > > > > The format has only been around in the US for a
> little
> >
> > > > more
> > > > > than a year. You have to give it a couple of years,
> > > > probably
> > > > > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not
> just
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > > books, but a few years.
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been
> very,
> >
> > > > very
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped
> the
> >
> > > > wrong
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > station
> > > > > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover.
> > But,
> > > > > again,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time
> next
> > > > year.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember
> how
> > > slow
> > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they
> are
> >
> > > > doing
> > > > >
> > > > > > > now".
> > > > > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a good
> > > start
> > > > > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the fun
>
> > > > things
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future
> will
> >
> > > > > bring.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how CBS
>
> > FM
> > > is
> > > >
> > > > > > doing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Jack
> Not about being right or wrong but about having such a
> negative perspective on something it's obvious you are quite
> biased against.
What is it with people who are afraid to go out on a limb and make a call? You can't all be castrated mind numbed clucks. You can't all have been so screwed in the head by the corporate mentality that you can't even determine what's right for a market and what's wrong? It's about being right. Being right means you know your (BLEEP), being right used to mean you get promoted for a job well done however in today's environment I've seen more people get promoted for wrecking things. Being wrong means you cost people their jobs - WAKE UP! Being wrong, not being sure of something means you lose. Fortunately, when Jack flops, the only people who will lose their jobs will be the voice-over guy and a few others.
> I don't know if Jack will sink or swim, any more than any
> other format, and despite the fact (you can ask around) I
> tend to be pretty sure of myself as well,
> to just write-off such a new format so early is really
> pretty arrogant.
That sounds so nice and PC. So "balanced", So scary! It will sink. I'm well aware of what will and won't. It's not arrogant to write it off, it's knowing what works and what doesn't.
It's not just a like/dislike of Jack but
> your overall glass-is-half-empty tone everytime you address
> the Jack format.
You make me laugh. My glass is not half empty when it comes to Jack, it's BROKE, there's nothing in it because there's no glass. I didn't know this was a place to come and post only good, happy, warm and loving feelings for this travesty known as Jack. My glass is FULL when it comes to good ideas, Jack isn't one of them. Sorry. I've never been known to be hyped up on bad ideas. So I'm negative on your "baby". Get over it, it's stupid. It's a waste of airspace. It's not about what I like, it's about what works in RADIO pal, remember? Jack ain't gonna work. This is a business. Bad business moves cost people jobs and companies money. There's too many people like you who are sure of one thing, you don't know what works and what doesn't so you hire some guru who lacked vision 15 years ago as a PD, now he's a consultant and the same guy who never saw the future coming is telling most radio stations what to play and how. It's pathetic. If you can't figure out what a winner will be in your market without hesitation then you need to get the hell out of radio. I can't believe how people are so unsure of themselves. It's really disheartening.
>
> > Not perfect but far smarter than most. I understand people
>
> > dislike those who are sure of themselves, it's
> > understandable. I'm only sure of a few things and don't
> > stretch my limits. I never feel better when I'm right
> about
> > stupid format flips because people's jobs, lives and
> > families get thrown up for grabs. Jack will be Jack'd Off
> in
> > less than two years and it will be laughed at in five. You
>
> > may not want to agree with me or you just may hope I'm
> wrong
> > but I'm not.
>
> Not about being right or wrong but about having such a
> negative perspective on something it's obvious you are quite
> biased against.
What is it with people who are afraid to go out on a limb and make a call? You can't all be castrated mind numbed clucks. You can't all have been so screwed in the head by the corporate mentality that you can't even determine what's right for a market and what's wrong? It's about being right. Being right means you know your (BLEEP), being right used to mean you get promoted for a job well done however in today's environment I've seen more people get promoted for wrecking things. Being wrong means you cost people their jobs - WAKE UP! Being wrong, not being sure of something means you lose. Fortunately, when Jack flops, the only people who will lose their jobs will be the voice-over guy and a few others.
> I don't know if Jack will sink or swim, any more than any
> other format, and despite the fact (you can ask around) I
> tend to be pretty sure of myself as well,
> to just write-off such a new format so early is really
> pretty arrogant.
That sounds so nice and PC. So "balanced", So scary! It will sink. I'm well aware of what will and won't. It's not arrogant to write it off, it's knowing what works and what doesn't.
It's not just a like/dislike of Jack but
> your overall glass-is-half-empty tone everytime you address
> the Jack format.
You make me laugh. My glass is not half empty when it comes to Jack, it's BROKE, there's nothing in it because there's no glass. I didn't know this was a place to come and post only good, happy, warm and loving feelings for this travesty known as Jack. My glass is FULL when it comes to good ideas, Jack isn't one of them. Sorry. I've never been known to be hyped up on bad ideas. So I'm negative on your "baby". Get over it, it's stupid. It's a waste of airspace. It's not about what I like, it's about what works in RADIO pal, remember? Jack ain't gonna work. This is a business. Bad business moves cost people jobs and companies money. There's too many people like you who are sure of one thing, you don't know what works and what doesn't so you hire some guru who lacked vision 15 years ago as a PD, now he's a consultant and the same guy who never saw the future coming is telling most radio stations what to play and how. It's pathetic. If you can't figure out what a winner will be in your market without hesitation then you need to get the hell out of radio. I can't believe how people are so unsure of themselves. It's really disheartening.
>
> > Not perfect but far smarter than most. I understand people
>
> > dislike those who are sure of themselves, it's
> > understandable. I'm only sure of a few things and don't
> > stretch my limits. I never feel better when I'm right
> about
> > stupid format flips because people's jobs, lives and
> > families get thrown up for grabs. Jack will be Jack'd Off
> in
> > less than two years and it will be laughed at in five. You
>
> > may not want to agree with me or you just may hope I'm
> wrong
> > but I'm not.
>
The Difference Between Fact and Opinion
> such a complete and utterly
> stupid concept as Jack, not in this day and age. To do so
> says you're completely out of touch with things and part of
> the reason listeners find radio less and less important.
> It's not opinion, it's fact. I'm just pointing the facts out
> before you can see them.
The words "such a complete and utterly stupid concept as Jack" is an opinion. OPINION!!!!!! This is your opinion man! Not facts! Facts are proven, Jack hasn't been around long, so we can't judge the format yet. For someone who was in the biz, I thought you would know this, but I guess you don't.
> > > this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
> >
> >
> > Again, this is YOUR opinion.
> >
> >
> > > > > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all
> my
> >
> > > > years
> > > > > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to
> justify
> > > bad
> > > > > moves.
> > > >
> > > > Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio,
>
> > I'm
> > >
> > > > surprised. The format has been around for over a year,
> a
> >
> > > lot
> > > > less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even
>
> > if
> > > > you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a
> format
> >
> > > you
> > > > don't like.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > If you don't know what the future will bring
> and
> >
> > > > > you're
> > > > > > IN
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You
> > flip
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously
> that's
> >
> > > all
> > > >
> > > > > > > changed
> > > > > > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > > years
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bill half of what you were billing before you
> > > > flipped,
> > > > >
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to
> know
> > > what
> > > >
> > > > > > > you're
> > > > > > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're
> > supposed
> > > to
> > > >
> > > > > be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is another example of how many of those
> > > running
> > > >
> > > > > > radio
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because this is a new format with no longterm
> > track
> > > > > record
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone
> to
> >
> > > > know
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously,
> Joel
> >
> > > > > > Hollander
> > > > > > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't
> > know
> > > > for
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted
> to
> >
> > > > that
> > > > > in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical
>
> > of.
> > > I
> > > >
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to
> Jack.
> >
> > > > > History
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > will show whether they were good or bad moves,
> but
> >
> > > at
> > > > > > least
> > > > > > > he didn't play scared.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because radio is in a constant state of change
> > it's
> > > > > really
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
>
> > > > > > certainty.
> > > > > > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you
> > know
> > >
> > > > is
> > > > > > > going to succeed and you have research to back
> it
> > > up,
> > > > > > > another station could soon flip to a similar
> > format
> > > > and
> > > > > > > fragment the audience. There are many other
> > > variables
> > > > as
> > > > >
> > > > > > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's
> > going
> > >
> > > > to
> > > > > > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong
>
> > > > "feel"
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > what will be successful and then do everything
> > > > possible
> > > > > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > execute that idea and make it work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The format has only been around in the US for a
> > little
> > >
> > > > > more
> > > > > > than a year. You have to give it a couple of
> years,
> > > > > probably
> > > > > > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not
> > just
> > > a
> > > > > few
> > > > > > books, but a few years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been
> > very,
> > >
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > > wrong
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > station
> > > > > > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover.
>
> > > But,
> > > > > > again,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time
> > next
> > > > > year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember
> > how
> > > > slow
> > > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they
>
> > are
> > >
> > > > > doing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > now".
> > > > > > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a
> good
> > > > start
> > > > > > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the
> fun
> >
> > > > > things
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future
> > will
> > >
> > > > > > bring.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how
> CBS
> >
> > > FM
> > > > is
> > > > >
> > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> such a complete and utterly
> stupid concept as Jack, not in this day and age. To do so
> says you're completely out of touch with things and part of
> the reason listeners find radio less and less important.
> It's not opinion, it's fact. I'm just pointing the facts out
> before you can see them.
The words "such a complete and utterly stupid concept as Jack" is an opinion. OPINION!!!!!! This is your opinion man! Not facts! Facts are proven, Jack hasn't been around long, so we can't judge the format yet. For someone who was in the biz, I thought you would know this, but I guess you don't.
> > > this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
> >
> >
> > Again, this is YOUR opinion.
> >
> >
> > > > > Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all
> my
> >
> > > > years
> > > > > in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to
> justify
> > > bad
> > > > > moves.
> > > >
> > > > Umm, you're wrong on this one and if you are in radio,
>
> > I'm
> > >
> > > > surprised. The format has been around for over a year,
> a
> >
> > > lot
> > > > less in most of the US. I can justify this issue, even
>
> > if
> > > > you don't agree with it. You're taking shots at a
> format
> >
> > > you
> > > > don't like.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > If you don't know what the future will bring
> and
> >
> > > > > you're
> > > > > > IN
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > radio, you have no business being IN it. You
> > flip
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously
> that's
> >
> > > all
> > > >
> > > > > > > changed
> > > > > > > > now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > > years
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bill half of what you were billing before you
> > > > flipped,
> > > > >
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to
> know
> > > what
> > > >
> > > > > > > you're
> > > > > > > > doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're
> > supposed
> > > to
> > > >
> > > > > be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is another example of how many of those
> > > running
> > > >
> > > > > > radio
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because this is a new format with no longterm
> > track
> > > > > record
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > (in the U.S), there really is no way for anyone
> to
> >
> > > > know
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > kind of life cycle Jack will have. Obviously,
> Joel
> >
> > > > > > Hollander
> > > > > > > believes strongly in Jack, but even he doesn't
> > know
> > > > for
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > how things will turn out. He basically admitted
> to
> >
> > > > that
> > > > > in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > the Chicago interview that everyone was critical
>
> > of.
> > > I
> > > >
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > call Hollander "bold" for all those flips to
> Jack.
> >
> > > > > History
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > will show whether they were good or bad moves,
> but
> >
> > > at
> > > > > > least
> > > > > > > he didn't play scared.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because radio is in a constant state of change
> > it's
> > > > > really
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > impossible for anyone to predict the future with
>
> > > > > > certainty.
> > > > > > > Even if you flip a station to a format that you
> > know
> > >
> > > > is
> > > > > > > going to succeed and you have research to back
> it
> > > up,
> > > > > > > another station could soon flip to a similar
> > format
> > > > and
> > > > > > > fragment the audience. There are many other
> > > variables
> > > > as
> > > > >
> > > > > > > well. Nobody should be expected to know what's
> > going
> > >
> > > > to
> > > > > > > happen, I think a radio pro should have a strong
>
> > > > "feel"
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > what will be successful and then do everything
> > > > possible
> > > > > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > execute that idea and make it work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The format has only been around in the US for a
> > little
> > >
> > > > > more
> > > > > > than a year. You have to give it a couple of
> years,
> > > > > probably
> > > > > > more to REALLY SEE how well it does, or not. Not
> > just
> > > a
> > > > > few
> > > > > > books, but a few years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > boy, no kidding- the Jack flip has been
> > very,
> > >
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > some. It could be Infinity simply flipped
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > > wrong
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > station
> > > > > > > > > > and created too much ill-will to recover.
>
> > > But,
> > > > > > again,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you're right- let's talk about this time
> > next
> > > > > year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, next year we might be saying "remember
> > how
> > > > slow
> > > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > start Jack/NY got off to, look how good they
>
> > are
> > >
> > > > > doing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > now".
> > > > > > > > > Then again we might say "Remember what a
> good
> > > > start
> > > > > > > > Jack/LA
> > > > > > > > > had...look at them now". That's one of the
> fun
> >
> > > > > things
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > radio, you never quite know what the future
> > will
> > >
> > > > > > bring.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It will be real interesting to see how
> CBS
> >
> > > FM
> > > > is
> > > > >
> > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > 2 books or so.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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