Supergold on air anymore?

[OldiesCat]

oldies

Agreed. It's pretty easy to take the noble and snooty "commercial radio's nothing but whores" stance but most everybody sees through it pretty easily.


> >
> Now lets be honest fonz. I have seen you're threads on this
> and the Chicago board praising WRLL and CC for sticking with
> their pre beatles oldies format. Last time I checked WRLL
> was "terrestial".
> As for 13 bucks a month, well that is a cheap date but you
> are still paying for it.So on satellite you are just
> skipping the John, and getting it straight from the pimp....
> hope it feels good.
>

 

[OldiesCat]

commercial radio/tv

right, sure. Most people who do the "I don't watch TV" or "I only watch PBS and listen to NPR" are not totally truthful- it's all about posturing and image and it's pretty transparent to the rest of us.

(nothing personal intended)

>
> The only commercial TV I watch is Jay Leno..........and I'm
> gonna lose HIM in 3 years. Is there advertising on the net?
> It's probably there, but I never see it. So net advertisers, save your money.
>
> > BTW, have you also given up commercial television (only
> > watch PPV or On-Demand)? I see you're on the 'Net- how do

 

[DougD]

Commercial TV goin' way of comm'l ray-dio

> well, then- enjoy.
> >
> > BTW, have you also given up commercial television (only
> > watch PPV or On-Demand)? I see you're on the 'Net- how do
>
> > you get around advertising here?

Very few TV networks try to appeal to older audiences as well.

TV LAND, which used to run classic shows, now can't seem to stop running 80s and 90s crap.

With all the "golden" TV shows - 1950s, 1960s and 1970s- there's surprisingly very little of it on the air.

Guess they're only looking through narrow-minded glasses like their radio prepubescents.

500 channels and nothing worth watching.

Many in these haunts will protest, pointing to the growing and affluent older demographic. But the so-called expers here - ONE WHO SAID 60S MUSIC IS DEAD- will come on and pontificate how this isn't so and no one cares anyway. Back to my boring Santana and disco songs.

 

[TheFonz]

Re: Supergold

> [Now lets be honest fonz. I have seen you're threads on this
> and the Chicago board praising WRLL and CC for sticking with
> their pre beatles oldies format. Last time I checked WRLL
> was "terrestial".]


You're absolutely right about WRLL. If I lived in that market I'd cancel my XM subscription in a heartbeat. Unfortunately I only get to hear them for about 45 minutes a day. And remember, we're constantly told on this board that a station like WRLL is an aberration........that there is no logical reason for its existence. Let me set the record straight. I didn't give up on terrestrial radio because of commercials.....I went to satellite for its far superior '50s/'60s Top 40 programming (sometimes called "Oldies" on commercial radio).


> [As for 13 bucks a month, well that is a cheap date but you
> are still paying for it. So on satellite you are just
> skipping the John, and getting it straight from the pimp....
> hope it feels good.]



I don't feel a thing............but it sure SOUNDS great!

 

[OldiesCat]

Commercial TV

don't paint me with that stroke- I never said '60s music is dead. What I have said is that if radio stations want to continue to have listeners in large numbers, they would have to face REALITY and understand that they'll have to work some of the right '70s music into their mix. Just as many of the Cable TV channels like Nick & TV Land have found, you can't just show Leave It To Beaver and Andy Griffith for 10+ years and expect to grow your audience.

There is no disagreement from most that the "older demographic" (whatever that is but I'd say 50+) has the money and influence- it's ADVERTISERS who spend money on these radio stations who don't see the value in targeting 50+. If this changed today or soon, you'd see Oldies stations putting '50s and early '60s music back on immediately. Just like any successful business- it's all about supply & demand.
>
> Many in these haunts will protest, pointing to the growing
> and affluent older demographic. But the so-called expers
> here - ONE WHO SAID 60S MUSIC IS DEAD- will come on and
> pontificate how this isn't so and no one cares anyway. Back
> to my boring Santana and disco songs.
>

 

[TheFonz]

Re: Commercial TV

> [If this changed today or soon, you'd see Oldies
> stations putting '50s and early '60s music back on
> immediately. Just like any successful business- it's all
> about supply & demand.]



Now there's a scenario..............twenty-something program directors all over the country "researching" how to program to a 50+ audience. I'd pay to see that! Actually, those PDs would probably just tune in satellite radio.

 

[MikeDane]

Re: oldies

Tell me, why is it when you say something it's an opinion. But
when someone else says something it's whining?
Sounds a little two faced to me.

> Actually, the original poster is the one who was whining
> about "there must be no good music before 1965" and slamming
> "crocodile rock" music, etc. It's OK for us to challenge
> them because I personally do not think all Oldies radio
> (terrestrial) sucks. What sucks is this "oldies radio is
> over since the '50s are gone" drone that gets so old. I
> stated my opinion in my response, something like "get over
> it" and stand by that response. Radio in general is
> evolving at a faster pace than ever, due to increasing
> choices- this is our chance to get better at what we do
> instead of crying about why it sucks.

Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com

 

[OldiesCat]

oldies

The difference is that whining almost never proposes any solutions or alternatives. I think many of us are OK with criticism that's accompanied by a better idea or a solution to X problem- at least they're thinking and adding to the discussion (good or bad ideas notwithstanding).

People who piss & moan just for the sake of it contribute nothing.


> Tell me, why is it when you say something it's an opinion.
> But when someone else says something it's whining?
> Sounds a little two faced to me.

>
> Mike Dane
> WSTB-FM 88.9
> SundayOldiesJukebox.com
>

 

[OldiesCat]

older oldies

Not really- I'm referring to today's Radio Programmers in general. There are a great many experienced, talented Programming types (over 40, who came through the ranks learning great radio) who could do some pretty great Oldies radio targeting a 50+ audience IF (and that's a major "if") the tide turned and advertiser demand for 50+ listeners did a 180.

Not saying or even believing it will happen, but we are in a cause-and-effect business.
>
> Now there's a scenario..............twenty-something program
> directors all over the country "researching" how to program
> to a 50+ audience. I'd pay to see that! Actually, those
> PDs would probably just tune in satellite radio.
>

 

[tj1212]

Re: oldies

I understand your position OldiesCat, but this thread does not require a solution with every crticism or what you call "whines". If someone wants to post a criticism of oldies radio in any fashion, then let them. This thread does not need a watchdog to slap around the "whiners". You've expressed your opinions and now you have the option of reading them or hitting the delete button. The solutions to Oldies radio is happening as we "speak". It's called capitalism.

> The difference is that whining almost never proposes any
> solutions or alternatives. I think many of us are OK with
> criticism that's accompanied by a better idea or a solution
> to X problem- at least they're thinking and adding to the
> discussion (good or bad ideas notwithstanding).
>
> People who piss & moan just for the sake of it contribute
> nothing.
>
>
> > Tell me, why is it when you say something it's an opinion.
>
> > But when someone else says something it's whining?
> > Sounds a little two faced to me.
>
> >
> > Mike Dane
> > WSTB-FM 88.9
> > SundayOldiesJukebox.com
> >
>

 

[OldiesCat]

oldies

Oh, so the whiners can whine but I can't express an opinion that I believe they're harmful to radio?

Kind of puts a crimp in the concept of "a free exchange of thoughts and ideas", doesn't it?


> I understand your position OldiesCat, but this thread does
> not require a solution with every crticism or what you call
> "whines". If someone wants to post a criticism of oldies
> radio in any fashion, then let them. This thread does not
> need a watchdog to slap around the "whiners". You've
> expressed your opinions and now you have the option of
> reading them or hitting the delete button. The solutions to
> Oldies radio is happening as we "speak". It's called
> capitalism.
>
> > The difference is that whining almost never proposes any
> > solutions or alternatives. I think many of us are OK with
>
> > criticism that's accompanied by a better idea or a
> solution
> > to X problem- at least they're thinking and adding to the
> > discussion (good or bad ideas notwithstanding).
> >
> > People who piss & moan just for the sake of it contribute
> > nothing.
> >
> >
> > > Tell me, why is it when you say something it's an
> opinion.
> >
> > > But when someone else says something it's whining?
> > > Sounds a little two faced to me.
> >
> > >
> > > Mike Dane
> > > WSTB-FM 88.9
> > > SundayOldiesJukebox.com
> > >
> >
>

 

[uncamark]

Re: Commercial TV goin' way of comm'l ray-dio

> Very few TV networks try to appeal to older audiences as
> well.
>
> TV LAND, which used to run classic shows, now can't seem to
> stop running 80s and 90s crap.

Oh, really.

I've got today's schedule up on my computer. The first post-1980 series on my screen is "Hunter" at 1 p.m. ET. The next one is "Highway to Heaven" at 4 p.m. The next post-1980 series are "Cheers" and "Night Court" at 11:30 p.m. and midnight. "Cheers" is on again at 1:30 a.m. and three hours of repeats of original documentaries air from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. That means that today TV Land presented or presents 17 1/2 hours of pre-1980 programs and only 6 1/2 hours of "80s and 90s crap"--if you call "Cheers," one of the best sitcoms of all time, "80s and 90s crap" (and "Night Court"'s a good show, too).

Granted the amounts of time may vary, especially on marathon weekends, but nice try and thanks for playing. What do we have for Doug, Johnny?

 

[DougD]

Re: Supergold

Someone else posted about a year ago about setting up some type of oldies listening source (I belive it was broadband) and listening to them in their living room. A frequent poster on this board (who shall go nameless but frequent readers will know who it is) responed about how foolish it would be to listen to oldies music from 56 - 63 in your living room on a Saturday night. I'm probably not getting all the facts correct, but I remenber thinking, how unfortunate for this frequent poster to immediately go into a brain dump without encouraging a discussion on Oldies.

That poster has long been discredited on many other radio info boards. People got fed up with his pontification and claiming to know everything there is about everything. BTW, he changed his handle. Perhaps he was scared.

 

[DougD]

Re: Commercial TV goin' way of comm'l ray-dio

> Very few TV networks try to appeal to older audiences as
> well.
>
> TV LAND, which used to run classic shows, now can't seem to
> stop running 80s and 90s crap.

Oh, really.

I've got today's schedule up on my computer. The first post-1980 series on my screen is "Hunter" at 1 p.m. ET. The next one is "Highway to Heaven" at 4 p.m. The next post-1980 series are "Cheers" and "Night Court" at 11:30 p.m. and midnight. "Cheers" is on again at 1:30 a.m. and three hours of repeats of original documentaries air from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. That means that today TV Land presented or presents 17 1/2 hours of pre-1980 programs and only 6 1/2 hours of "80s and 90s crap"--if you call "Cheers," one of the best sitcoms of all time, "80s and 90s crap" (and "Night Court"'s a good show, too).

Granted the amounts of time may vary, especially on marathon weekends, but nice try and thanks for playing. What do we have for Doug, Johnny?

Perhaps by the clock that's so but tune in any night and you'll see hour-long (yuk) blocks of the Jeffersons, Good Times, et. al. Only one or two classic shows.

Most people don't watch TVL or other channels for hours at length. Like radio. If they listened that long on radio OLDIES CAT or someone would castigate them as RADIO GEEKS.

You ought to tune in once in a while instead of reading the stupid TV guide.