There were plenty of zit creme ads, but there were also car dealers ("That Merolis what a great great guuyyy!) grocery stores (Farmer Jack Saving Time) in the case of CKLW, and those weren't targeting teens. There was still "housewife time" with a little mellower playlist before the teens got home. Years before I had ever heard the word "daypart" if I was home sick from school or we had the day off for weather, professional days, etc, that I would perceive the music wouldn't be as good (to my then-ears) as other times on The Big 8.
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In past centuries, people would be exiled to isolated islands for less.
Good white people didn't do THAT! LOL
I think that his use of the term in the manner in which he employed it simply shows a lack of understanding of contemporary culture. He picked a term he thought had a generic meaning but without an understanding of its real "street" significance.
Again, I am reminded of the movie scene of the white woman in "Airplane!" does the "I can speak jive" scene with the Black passengers.
Then Pat Boone (and others) should not be taken to task for not doing something which they had no control over. And I don't understand your accusation of "white washing" unless you have specific proof that Boone erased or changed credits.
Back in the day every business except those in virtually pure Black neighborhoods were white-owned and there sure weren't many, if any, Black owned corporations. Blacks were then going through almost exactly what other cultures (Irish, Italian, German etc.) had gone through in becoming executives and owners of bigger businesses. And although it seems Blacks (and American Indians) got the worst kinds of racism all those groups suffered to a degree. It seems to be the one common experience when two cultures meet.
I have no idea how much Elvis or Janis did or didn't do but I know I have never heard any of their rock songs sounding anything like their original Black performers. Not criticizing, just observing. And I will admit I do not have the industry's biggest exposure as I was not a big Elvis fan (beautiful voice but not my favorite music) and couldn't stand Janis (talentless screamer for the most part).
The Beatles frequently acknowledged they considered their rock roots to be largely the Black music culture however they grew up and lived in Britain which was then quite different from most of the USA. You'd have to look at the Apple label to tell what was or was not considered or done back then.
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt from this country music fan. I could use it after seeing for the first time earlier today the awful video (and the lyrics aren't much better) for Jason Aldean's latest single, which is one loud dog whistle from beginning to end.
True. And Bill Drake was a big believer in mass-appeal radio: If a Top 40 station can appeal to 12-49, then it should.
Chuck Blore was the same way. KFWB had Elliot Field in afternoon drive---not talking about the high school games, but playing a "Sinatra for Sufferin' Secretaries" every afternoon a few minutes after five---timed for them to be in their cars on the way home. 'WB also had Bill Ballance in evenings---not a teen jock, but a 40-year-old man when "Color Radio" launched---an old guy with a vocabulary that would have you reaching for a thesaurus every other break.
But there were PDs, mostly Buzz Bennett and his acolytes (Jerry Clifton and Gerry Peterson among the most prominent), who believed that the key to winning as a Top 40 station was dominance in teens.
Peterson, about to move from PD at WRKO to PD at KHJ, went so far as to tell R&R "You can't program Top 40 radio to people 25-49":
Peterson lasted a year at KHJ. Michael Spears, who programmed to 12-49, had a four-year run as PD at KFRC.
I have a response to that song and video, but the board software would censor every last word.
Sure they do. It's just what George Carlin called, and I quote:
"...wholesome, normal, good old fashioned, American 'man on top get it over with quick'."
I almost posted it, but I think I did in another thread. Glad you did it here!
I didn't say I knew a lot of Black people. Quit putting words in my mouth. As far as the wife comment - I was just giving an example of how much race doesn't matter to me. Since we've never met how would you like me to express that?
And I also did not say "music performed by African-American artists" was thuggery. I specifically confined my comments to rap (which I do not consider music in any form) and knowing I may be unintentionally condemning a little sliver of "good rap" I stand by my comment. Rap is nothing more than hate messages for youths.
Which brings to mind a question: If there is such a thing as "good" rap, positive vs negative, why is it never played on the various CCM outlets?
Neither did I tell anyone not to listen to whatever they like. I simply gave my reasons for not listening to it.
As for Country, I criticized the current music and not its listeners.
How would I? I've never been a "street" person or hung out with them. I don't speak their language nor observe their customs nor have their rage or lack of responsibility. I've spent my entire adult life on my career and raising my family. I just became an empty nester less than one year ago so now I have the time to spend in frivolous discussions with my peers about all manner of subjects. However, it is obviously a waste of time trying multiple attempts to get someone to understand.
Since you obviously continue to weaponize discussions with me I am blocking you and not respond any further. We have nothing more to discuss.
If they stay close enough to white.
Except it is a great deal more than that. It is often raw, emotional and speaking of experiences you want to pretend don't exist. Just like every other kind of music. Sometimes it has novelty elements, just like every other kind of music. Sometimes it's light and airy, just like every other kind of music.
I'm merely discussing and responding, and trying to understand a perspective that appears nothing more than intolerant. After all; that's why they call it a discussion board. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable, or things pointed out fall too close to home, doesn't make it a weapon.
Also believe running away from the discussion could be considered 'cowardice'.
Semoochie, that was a solid point. Thank you for stating what I should have.
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Wow. There's a lot to unpack there.
There was a time in my life when I didn't "get" "rap music." Growing up in an all white small town, I didn't have a lot of exposure to the culture that birthed hip hop. That changed. One of the college radio stations I worked at played hip hop back when it was still relatively new (early 80s) and was a club DJ and spun quite a few "rap" records after that. A few years later I was working at rhythmic CHR stations, playing plenty of hip hop, R&B, and freestyle records. I met a number of hip hop artists, and even emceed a few shows you might consider to be "rap."
I was never a "street" person either (huge dog whistle there), but have hung out with a lot of them. I learned a few things along the way. One was that if you want to be accepted in that community, you can't be fake. I was a white guy from a small town, and never tried to "speak their language" like a lot of folks do. You don't need to. Just be yourself. I was accepted because I didn't try to front.
Another thing I learned was that "rap" is not "hate messages for youths." I'd direct you to check out something like Guru's Jazzmatazz Vol II album, but I suspect it would be lost upon you.
As for your "rage and lack of responsibility" statement, I'm not sure I can even respond. As (again) a white guy from a small town, I cannot speak for my friends...and yes, "I have black friends." And family members. I think I'll leave it there.
Excellent explanation-I learned a lot from this!
I don’t remember any of my local top-40 stations airing zit cream ads during local programming, but they certainly did during syndicated shows. Then again, one could reasonably make the case that 18-34 adults need zit cream occasionally. I still get an occasional zit at 48. I don’t think that ever completely goes away.
We were doing that still in ‘01 and ‘02. For us, it was about making us acceptable in an office environment. The last thing we wanted to do was have our listeners go to the less edgy heritage CHR during working hours because we knew they might not come back when they left the office.
In L.A. in the 70s, Clearasil, Oxy10, Phisohex and Stridex were Top 40 ad staples, along with hair products like the Dry Look and Protein 21, and Certs breath mints.
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