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Talk Radio Scoreboard for Major Markets: October 2014
- Thread starter Gregg.
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I didn't say anyone is "dumb." The point was that NPR audiences ARE richer and better educated. It's not a black & white thing.
You didn't. Someone else did.
And I'd be willing to bet the average Dave Ramsey listener (especially long time ones) is much more wealthy than your average public radio listener. You're right that it's not black and white.
But it does seem that if you believe public radio fans, they're the smartest people on the face of the earth. Just ask one.
But it does seem that if you believe public radio fans, they're the smartest people on the face of the earth. Just ask one.
Yep, and Dallas Cowboy fans say they root for America's Team. So what?
Yep, and Dallas Cowboy fans say they root for America's Team. So what?
They're both pompous and wrong.
They're both pompous and wrong.
As they say, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
"Educated" doesn't necessarily translate into "smart".
"Educated" doesn't necessarily translate into "smart".
Right...and as I said, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
You can base "smart" on the size of one's cranium. But in this country, it's based on education.
Right...and as I said, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
You can base "smart" on the size of one's cranium. But in this country, it's based on education.
Not really. Have you ever seen the average student loan debt for a person with a graduate degree?
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As they say, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Just because someone is entitled to an opinion, if their opinion it totally bogus, everyone who notices that fact is free to point out that the opinion isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit.
Of course, one of the most uselessly pompous, not to mention arrogant, comments anyone can make is to repeat the tired, boring, and lame old cliche, "everyone's entitled to their opinion". That's one of the most useless, meaningless, and downright gratuitous comments anyone can use to waste bandwidth.
Right...and as I said, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
You can base "smart" on the size of one's cranium. But in this country, it's based on education.
Bullshit. Being "smart" is based on effectiveness at using what one has learned, through both formal and informal education. Anyone willing and able to pay the tuition can get an education. To be "smart" means using that knowledge to actually accomplish things.
Anyone willing and able to pay the tuition can get an education. To be "smart" means using that knowledge to actually accomplish things.
But we're talking about people who've put together both an education and the ability to make money. Somewhere along the line, someone assessed that they were more than people who bought their degree. Smart is the ability to put things together. A certain amount of education, a certain amount of intuition, a certain amount of social skill, and the ability to bring all of those things together in a way that makes more than the minimum wage. In that way, they've demonstrated the ability to accomplish things. That's what the public radio profile shows.
But we're talking about people who've put together both an education and the ability to make money. Somewhere along the line, someone assessed that they were more than people who bought their degree. Smart is the ability to put things together. A certain amount of education, a certain amount of intuition, a certain amount of social skill, and the ability to bring all of those things together in a way that makes more than the minimum wage. In that way, they've demonstrated the ability to accomplish things. That's what the public radio profile shows.
That's the way it is in theory, but there is a recent study that shows that up to 46% of college graduates didn't learn anything in college. I read about it in the Huffington Post. The study used a series of standardised tests.
So the public radio profile just shows that they went to college, got a degree, and 46% of them didn't learn anything.
There are statistics that show that college educated people make more money than average -- I'll grant you that. And I'm sure that has some bearing on the audience NPR tries to target.
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But we're talking about people who've put together both an education and the ability to make money.
No you're not. You're bloviating with terse little platitudes and throwing around sweeping generalities like they were holy writ.
So the public radio profile just shows that they went to college, got a degree, and 46% of them didn't learn anything.
That's your interpretation. Compare that to the general public.
No you're not. You're bloviating with terse little platitudes and throwing around sweeping generalities like they were holy writ.
And you're attempting to imitate a TV talk show host. I'm simply interpreting the data. You don't agree. So what?
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And you're attempting to imitate a TV talk show host. I'm simply interpreting the data. You don't agree. So what?
The thing is, your "interpretations" are wrong. Disagreeing with something that is wrong is the right thing to do.
The thing is, your "interpretations" are wrong. Disagreeing with something that is wrong is the right thing to do.
Which part of what I said was wrong?
Which part of what I said was wrong?
"in this country it's based on education"
That part. That's not true. Education is ONE OF the indicators of intelligence, but so are IQ scores and other measures. Public radio, and NPR in particular, target a certain demo. That demo tends to have degrees. A lot of them have cushy government management level jobs, which pay well. That doesn't make them "smarter" than your average commercial radio listener.
As a radio host, I'd rather have a guy that owns a restaurant or tire shop listening to me than some guy who works at the state Department of Pushing Pencils, even if the tire shop owner only has a 2 or 4 year degree compared to the MBA that the government drone has.
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A lot of them have cushy government management level jobs, which pay well. That doesn't make them "smarter" than your average commercial radio listener.
You're making a lot of assumptions. There was nothing in the statistics that said anything about them working for the government. Just that they get paid well. It's pretty well known that more education tends to lead to higher paying jobs.
You're making a lot of assumptions. There was nothing in the statistics that said anything about them working for the government. Just that they get paid well. It's pretty well known that more education tends to lead to higher paying jobs.
I thought we were all making baseless assumptions.
No one has denied that more education and wages have a direct relationship. But intelligence is what we're talking about here. The assertion was that public radio listeners were "smarter" than commercial radio listeners, and there is absolutely no proof of that.
And I'd bet every dollar in my wallet that public radio has an extraordinarily large portion of public sector employees as listeners. That's just from life experience, but I bet I'm right.
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If you are comparing public radio news and information stations to commercial music format stations that's one thing. If you compare the audiences for public radio news and information to commercial right-wing talk then you see a significant different in the respective audiences income, education levels and in other lifestyle factors.
"Smart" and "dumb" are vague terms and almost impossible to quantify. Public radio news and information content is more intellectually demanding and therefore draws people who appreciate such content. Right-wing news talk is largely hate speech and demagoguery and draws a different kind of person.
Some music formats have audience demographic profiles similar to public radio news and information (and often many of the same listeners). Other music formats do not.
People who don't appreciate intellectually-demanding content tend to resent those who do appreciate it. Ask any kid with good grades who got beat up at recess. Guess which listens to public radio and which listens to Rush.
"Smart" and "dumb" are vague terms and almost impossible to quantify. Public radio news and information content is more intellectually demanding and therefore draws people who appreciate such content. Right-wing news talk is largely hate speech and demagoguery and draws a different kind of person.
Some music formats have audience demographic profiles similar to public radio news and information (and often many of the same listeners). Other music formats do not.
People who don't appreciate intellectually-demanding content tend to resent those who do appreciate it. Ask any kid with good grades who got beat up at recess. Guess which listens to public radio and which listens to Rush.
If you are comparing public radio news and information stations to commercial music format stations that's one thing. If you compare the audiences for public radio news and information to commercial right-wing talk then you see a significant different in the respective audiences income, education levels and in other lifestyle factors.
"Smart" and "dumb" are vague terms and almost impossible to quantify. Public radio news and information content is more intellectually demanding and therefore draws people who appreciate such content. Right-wing news talk is largely hate speech and demagoguery and draws a different kind of person.
Some music formats have audience demographic profiles similar to public radio news and information (and often many of the same listeners). Other music formats do not.
People who don't appreciate intellectually-demanding content tend to resent those who do appreciate it. Ask any kid with good grades who got beat up at recess. Guess which listens to public radio and which listens to Rush.
The irony/hypocrisy of these "you're dumb and I'm not" posts completely escapes you, doesn't it?
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