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Talk Talk about 103.7

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Stay tuned .... the new year brings a lot of talk about 103.7 Talk Talk Talk. Wow. For the next couple of months we can TALK about RADIO and 103.7, KPLN.

Because the moderator has it in rule number 7,489 para two subsection C ... this requirement is posted:

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> Stay tuned .... the new year brings a lot of talk about
> 103.7 Talk Talk Talk. Wow. For the next couple of months we
> can TALK about RADIO and 103.7, KPLN.
>
> Because the moderator has it in rule number 7,489 para two
> subsection C ... this requirement is posted:
>
> Stay Tuned
>

Is Infinity looking to create some kind of talk network in California? I mean they have 97.1 in LA but by adding a San Diego and San Francisco stick they would have talk in CA's 3 biggest markets.
 
Probably counterprogramming to Stern's 2 Sirius

channels. Building a station around Adam Corolla or David Lee Roth. Sounds interesting.
 
Re: Probably counterprogramming to Stern's 2 Sirius

> channels. Building a station around Adam Corolla or David
> Lee Roth. Sounds interesting.
>

Young end talk often struggles in the ratings. Infinity quickly gave up on Hot Talk stations in both Fresno and Austin. Often times Stern is the only show that pulls numbers and revenue and of course he'll soon be gone.

This is very good news for KGB!
 
Re: Probably counterprogramming to Stern's 2 Sirius

> > channels. Building a station around Adam Corolla or David
> > Lee Roth. Sounds interesting.
> >
>
> Young end talk often struggles in the ratings. Infinity
> quickly gave up on Hot Talk stations in both Fresno and
> Austin. Often times Stern is the only show that pulls
> numbers and revenue and of course he'll soon be gone.
>
> This is very good news for KGB!
>

Yes, I agree.
Whether you like him or not, Howard Stern on 103-7 was the bigget challenge KGB had in decades. Now, perhaps KGB can go back to being the sole Rock Classics station in San Diego.
 
Re: Probably counterprogramming to Stern's 2 Sirius

> Young end talk often struggles in the ratings. Infinity
> quickly gave up on Hot Talk stations in both Fresno and
> Austin. Often times Stern is the only show that pulls
> numbers and revenue and of course he'll soon be gone.

Looks like FM Talk is the new Format of the Month. Inside Radio today claims that Clear Channel will convert more music stations to FM talk, including one top 10 market.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Probably counterprogramming to Stern's 2 Sirius

Yeah Adam and Roth are two big names. Are you kidding?
Loveline is one thing, taking over for Stern is a joke.
There is no answer for Stern. Sales will feel it bad.


> channels. Building a station around Adam Corolla or David
> Lee Roth. Sounds interesting.
>
 
Re: Not Just California

>
> Is Infinity looking to create some kind of talk network in
> California? I mean they have 97.1 in LA but by adding a San
> Diego and San Francisco stick they would have talk in CA's 3
> biggest markets.

This goes well beyond California. Expect to see up to 11 stations nationwide all using the same talk brand.

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Re: Not Just California

> >
> > Is Infinity looking to create some kind of talk network in
>
> > California? I mean they have 97.1 in LA but by adding a
> San
> > Diego and San Francisco stick they would have talk in CA's
> 3
> > biggest markets.
>
> This goes well beyond California. Expect to see up to 11
> stations nationwide all using the same talk brand.
>
Infinity has signed Jay Severin from Long Island who was previously herd in Boston on WTKK FM. He is slated to start in January, about the same time that KPLN is expected to debut!
 
Re: Not Just California

> > >
> > > Is Infinity looking to create some kind of talk network
> in
> >
> > > California? I mean they have 97.1 in LA but by adding a
> > San
> > > Diego and San Francisco stick they would have talk in
> CA's
> > 3
> > > biggest markets.
> >
> > This goes well beyond California. Expect to see up to 11
> > stations nationwide all using the same talk brand.
> >
> Infinity has signed Jay Severin from Long Island who was
> previously herd in Boston on WTKK FM. He is slated to start
> in January, about the same time that KPLN is expected to
> debut!
>

This is all very interesting news. IF some stations flip, when will they? After the holidays?
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Just what San Diego doesn't need is another talker.
What San Diego does need is a oldies or all dance station.
There are enough talkers, hurban, rap, country, Spanish and, yes, adult standard stations in this area. What's missing is a 'real' oldies station. never mind the adage that older people don't purchase anything. We're talking about the 'boomers' and the fact that the music they grew up with is only available at 101.1 which has a very limited music library (how mamy times can 'Unchained Melody' be played in a day?). Dance music has also been missing in this market. Without diversity, another 96.9 will appear on the airwaves in order to 'serve the public'.

No real Classical station
No Oldies station
No 'real' progressive rock station

This in an area with a population of 3+ million.



> Stay tuned .... the new year brings a lot of talk about
> 103.7 Talk Talk Talk. Wow. For the next couple of months we
> can TALK about RADIO and 103.7, KPLN.
>
> Because the moderator has it in rule number 7,489 para two
> subsection C ... this requirement is posted:
>
> Stay Tuned
>
 
Re: Probably counterprogramming to Stern's 2 Sirius

> > Young end talk often struggles in the ratings. Infinity
> > quickly gave up on Hot Talk stations in both Fresno and
> > Austin. Often times Stern is the only show that pulls
> > numbers and revenue and of course he'll soon be gone.
>
> Looks like FM Talk is the new Format of the Month. Inside
> Radio today claims that Clear Channel will convert more
> music stations to FM talk, including one top 10 market.
>

Clear Channel is modeling their FM talkers off the success of WPGB/Pittsburgh, a mainstream talk station. On the other hand, Infinity still seems sold on the T&A/fluff oriented Hot Talk format.
 
> Just what San Diego doesn't need is another talker.
> What San Diego does need is a oldies or all dance station.
> There are enough talkers, hurban, rap, country, Spanish and,
> yes, adult standard stations in this area. What's missing is
> a 'real' oldies station. never mind the adage that older
> people don't purchase anything. We're talking about the
> 'boomers' and the fact that the music they grew up with is
> only available at 101.1 which has a very limited music
> library (how mamy times can 'Unchained Melody' be played in
> a day?). Dance music has also been missing in this market.
> Without diversity, another 96.9 will appear on the airwaves
> in order to 'serve the public'.
>
> No real Classical station
> No Oldies station
> No 'real' progressive rock station
>
> This in an area with a population of 3+ million.
>


San Diego is not unique. The formats you mentioned are missing in several markets. I wouldn't even call dance a format since it barely exists anywhere. Most markets don't have a commercial classical station. An increasing number of markets don't have oldies stations. I'm not sure what you mean by a real progressive rock station, but whatever you have in mind probably doesn't exist anywhere in 2005.


>
>
> > Stay tuned .... the new year brings a lot of talk about
> > 103.7 Talk Talk Talk. Wow. For the next couple of months
> we
> > can TALK about RADIO and 103.7, KPLN.
> >
> > Because the moderator has it in rule number 7,489 para two
>
> > subsection C ... this requirement is posted:
> >
> > Stay Tuned
> >
>
 
Re: Not Just California

> > > >
> > > > Is Infinity looking to create some kind of talk
> network
> > in
> > >
> > > > California? I mean they have 97.1 in LA but by adding
> a
> > > San
> > > > Diego and San Francisco stick they would have talk in
> > CA's
> > > 3
> > > > biggest markets.
> > >
> > > This goes well beyond California. Expect to see up to 11
>
> > > stations nationwide all using the same talk brand.
> > >
> > Infinity has signed Jay Severin from Long Island who was
> > previously herd in Boston on WTKK FM. He is slated to
> start
> > in January, about the same time that KPLN is expected to
> > debut!
> >
>
> This is all very interesting news. IF some stations flip,
> when will they? After the holidays?
>
That seems to be the plan...
 
> San Diego is not unique. The formats you mentioned are
> missing in several markets. I wouldn't even call dance a
> format since it barely exists anywhere. Most markets don't
> have a commercial classical station. An increasing number of
> markets don't have oldies stations. I'm not sure what you
> mean by a real progressive rock station, but whatever you
> have in mind probably doesn't exist anywhere in 2005.


All popular music is not 'rap' as exemplified by the MTV music awards where Green Day won the majority of awards even though they get 'little' air play here. If 'oldies' isn't a money making format, why do so many commercials have oldies on the sound track? It seems to me that today's programmers have a case of 'tunnelvision' grouping formats to demographics instead of really finding out who actually is listening to what. They might be in for a surprise. BTW, I would like to see what some of these PD's have in their CD collections.
 
I've seen this complaint before, but at least this time, San Diego was referenced.

So, lets take a look at the formats you've highlighted and analyze why they don't exsist...

> > Without diversity, another 96.9 will appear on the
> airwaves

Diversity is in the minds of the beholder. If by "diversity" you mean the right to cuss, swear, and use any old frequency without asking for permission, what does that have to do with anything?

> > in order to 'serve the public'.
> >
Ok, so the FCC isn't public? Is that what you mean? I have to stop at a red light, that means you have to also. That's life, deal with it.

> > No real Classical station
This is a judgement call. You should be happy you have Classical at all.
What do you mean by "real?" You need to explain what you mean.
But if by "real" you mean "US commerically licensed," the revenue brought in will barely pay the bills to keep the transmitter working. Advertisers are not interested in Classical, for the same reason they aren't intetrested in Adult Standards; the audience skews too old, advertisers wont touh it. No advertiersers means no money. Why would you open a business that you know won't make a profit?

> > No Oldies station
Similar situation. A bit more debated. I also think San Diego could still see oldies come back. But again, the current version of the format skews too old for advertiser dollars. No money, no profit. No profit, no format.

> > No 'real' progressive rock station
This is really not an objective complaint. You've got KPRI, 91X, FM 94/9, KGB and Rock 105, and you are complaining about not having progressive rock? Just like with Classical music, you should be happy you have the format at all.
What you really mean (I think), is "I don't like the music on KPRI."

> >
> > This in an area with a population of 3+ million.
So what? Just because San Diego is a big market does not mean every format will be covered. Radio is a business first, and an art form second. San Diego is becomming a very young community that doesn't want to hear these types of formats. And if they don't want to hear it, and adveriters won't pay for it, they won't happen. That's just the way it goes.
> >
 
This thread is no longer about 103.7.. Or even San Diego?

Can we keep this thread about San Diego Radio please?

You've successfully hijacked a thread that was about 103.7.
Now, you are trying to move this comletely away from San Diego radio, so you can make some sorry gawd-awful tired complaint about the state of radio and pop-culture. If you wish to do that, I have no problem with it, but this is not the board to do it, in my opinion. Please take it elsewhere.


> All popular music is not 'rap' as exemplified by the MTV
> music awards where Green Day won the majority of awards even
> though they get 'little' air play here. If 'oldies' isn't a
> money making format, why do so many commercials have oldies
> on the sound track? It seems to me that today's programmers
> have a case of 'tunnelvision' grouping formats to
> demographics instead of really finding out who actually is
> listening to what. They might be in for a surprise. BTW, I
> would like to see what some of these PD's have in their CD
> collections.
>
 
Which is exactly the reason why satellite radio is taking off and terrestial radio is tanking. No diversity. In addition, there's no local content which is where terrestial radio has an advantage over satellite. If there was a poll of San Diego listeners, I'm sure their views would reflect mine. By looking only at the bottom line, SD radio broadcasters are hurting themselves by alienating listeners in favor of one narrow demographic.


> I've seen this complaint before, but at least this time, San
> Diego was referenced.
>
> So, lets take a look at the formats you've highlighted and
> analyze why they don't exsist...
>
> > > Without diversity, another 96.9 will appear on the
> > airwaves
>
> Diversity is in the minds of the beholder. If by "diversity"
> you mean the right to cuss, swear, and use any old frequency
> without asking for permission, what does that have to do
> with anything?
>
> > > in order to 'serve the public'.
> > >
> Ok, so the FCC isn't public? Is that what you mean? I have
> to stop at a red light, that means you have to also. That's
> life, deal with it.
>
> > > No real Classical station
> This is a judgement call. You should be happy you have
> Classical at all.
> What do you mean by "real?" You need to explain what you
> mean.
> But if by "real" you mean "US commerically licensed," the
> revenue brought in will barely pay the bills to keep the
> transmitter working. Advertisers are not interested in
> Classical, for the same reason they aren't intetrested in
> Adult Standards; the audience skews too old, advertisers
> wont touh it. No advertiersers means no money. Why would you
> open a business that you know won't make a profit?
>
> > > No Oldies station
> Similar situation. A bit more debated. I also think San
> Diego could still see oldies come back. But again, the
> current version of the format skews too old for advertiser
> dollars. No money, no profit. No profit, no format.
>
> > > No 'real' progressive rock station
> This is really not an objective complaint. You've got KPRI,
> 91X, FM 94/9, KGB and Rock 105, and you are complaining
> about not having progressive rock? Just like with Classical
> music, you should be happy you have the format at all.
> What you really mean (I think), is "I don't like the music
> on KPRI."
>
> > >
> > > This in an area with a population of 3+ million.
> So what? Just because San Diego is a big market does not
> mean every format will be covered. Radio is a business
> first, and an art form second. San Diego is becomming a very
> young community that doesn't want to hear these types of
> formats. And if they don't want to hear it, and adveriters
> won't pay for it, they won't happen. That's just the way it
> goes.
> > >
>
 
The misconception about Satellite surfaces (as usual)

> Which is exactly the reason why satellite radio is taking
> off and terrestial radio is tanking.

Okay, here I go again because here we go again. Every single thread on every board that talks about "lack of format diversity" brings up satellite radio.

Satellite radio is not, as you hope fervently, "taking off". The total number of subscribers to XM and Sirius, combined, nationwide, is lower than the daily total listenership to the #1 station in New York City alone.

Terrestrial radio is not "tanking" either. What it is doing is concentrating on formats that reach the demographic that the advertisers tell the agencies they want to reach. That is why there are no commercial Classical stations, why Adult Standards and Oldies formats are losing ground, and why there are different "flavors" of AC, Talk, and Urban in virtually every U.S. market.

Here, go read this article from Radio Ink:
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=130904&pt=todaysnews>http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=130904&pt=todaysnews</a>

In it, Kagan Media Research (a well-respected analysis firm) forecasts Sirius won't achieve positive cash flow until 2008. Between now and then, they will operate with a cash flow deficit that is three times more than what is predicted as their positive in '08. That's hardly "taking off".

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> BTW, I
> would like to see what some of these PD's have in their CD
> collections.

Most PDs have a lot of music in their personal collections that they can't program on the air. If you were to look at my home CD library you would be unable to determine exactly what formats I specialize in, because my personal musical tastes extend to many genres. (Some of which are unprofitable as radio formats.)

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