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Talkers releases Fall'05 audience list

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ajhenderson

Talkers has released in semiannual list of the top national talk show hosts, listing 30-some hosts with more than 1 million weekly listeners. Ed Schultz debuts at #11, tied with Bob Brinker. Al Franken comes in at #13, and Stephanie Miller and Alan Colmes come in right at the cut-off with 1 million listeners.

Other highlights: Stern drops a smidge, Bill Bennett and Tony Snow gain. Surprisingly, O'Reilly gains to put himself over the 3-million mark, despite being demoted in many markets. My question: where do Boortz, Gallagher, and Liddy get their audiences? They're not on many big stations.

http://talkers.com/talkhosts.htm
 
> Talkers has released in semiannual list of the top national
> talk show hosts, listing 30-some hosts with more than 1
> million weekly listeners. Ed Schultz debuts at #11, tied
> with Bob Brinker. Al Franken comes in at #13, and Stephanie
> Miller and Alan Colmes come in right at the cut-off with 1
> million listeners.
>
> Other highlights: Stern drops a smidge, Bill Bennett and
> Tony Snow gain. Surprisingly, O'Reilly gains to put himself
> over the 3-million mark, despite being demoted in many
> markets. My question: where do Boortz, Gallagher, and Liddy
> get their audiences? They're not on many big stations.
>
> http://talkers.com/talkhosts.htm
>
talkers is advertorial crap. YOu believe Harrison?
 
> talkers is advertorial crap. YOu believe Harrison?

The magazine itself lends itself to bias, however the TRRP is generated from cume listenership in affiliate markets nationwide. There are hosts on there that have just showed up that have been advertising for a long time.
 
Seems to confirm that the hosts of Air America can't get an audience.

Where is Jeanine and Randi Rhodes?

If Dave Ramsey and Bill Bennet are owning you, its time to shamelessly ask the listeners to send in money to stay on the air.

Ooops, that is already happening.




Good to see Phil Hendrie in there though, best show on radio today, but I would hate it if he became really big, it would spoil the joke.
 
> > talkers is advertorial crap. YOu believe Harrison?
>
> The magazine itself lends itself to bias, however the TRRP
> is generated from cume listenership in affiliate markets
> nationwide. There are hosts on there that have just showed
> up that have been advertising for a long time.
>
This report has been and continues to be garbage. Just read the sourcing. It is a guestimate of some 12+ info, info that Harrison gets sent to him from some PDs in local markets, name recognition, etc.

I have access to national Arb data and can tell you much of this is crap. Mike Gallagher? His cume is almost non-existant. Jerry Doyle? He's on weekends. Randi Rhodes on AAR has many more listeners then Stephanie Miller.

I cannot believe people actually buy into this guys crap.
 
> This report has been and continues to be garbage. Just read
> the sourcing. It is a guestimate of some 12+ info, info that
> Harrison gets sent to him from some PDs in local markets,
> name recognition, etc.
>
> I have access to national Arb data and can tell you much of
> this is crap. Mike Gallagher? His cume is almost
> non-existant. Jerry Doyle? He's on weekends. Randi Rhodes on
> AAR has many more listeners then Stephanie Miller.
>
> I cannot believe people actually buy into this guys crap.

While it's not perfect, it would be hard to believe that as bad as Doyle is, he is on 200 stations which would create some kind of audience. Why he's on those stations is what ticks me off, but that's another story. Who specifically, besides Gallagher, do you so disagree with on the list?
 
Re: Major Progressive talkers show up for FIRST TIME

Whether you agree or disagree with the survey methodology and conclusions, the "top story" here is that the numbers reflect the rise of Progressive Talk. For example, progressive talkers Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Al Franken, and Alan Colmes were not on the last list from Talkers that also appeared on-line.
 
Illogic 101

Your annoying use of BOLDFACE to give undeserved weight to your posts can't help you here. You are saying that even if the Talkers Survey is meaningless (which it is), it means something. You should have picked another week to give up sniffing glue.

Michael Harrison trots out this gargbage each year to promote his magazine (and himself). All these numbers reflect is Michael Harrison's opinion. And his opinions are no more grounded in reality than the opinions of many people who post here - only he's got a magazine. And he also has one of the most poorly-designed websites on Earth; blue text on black backround - ugly and difficult to read, is the idiot color blind or something?



> Whether you agree or disagree with the survey methodology
> and conclusions, the "top story" here is that the numbers
> reflect the rise of Progressive Talk. For example,
> progressive talkers Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Al
> Franken, and Alan Colmes were not on the last list from
> Talkers that also appeared on-line.
>
 
> While it's not perfect, it would be hard to believe that as
> bad as Doyle is, he is on 200 stations which would create
> some kind of audience. Why he's on those stations is what
> ticks me off, but that's another story. Who specifically,
> besides Gallagher, do you so disagree with on the list?
>
I must correct something I mistated above. I didn't realize that Doyle's show was also offered now M-F. I don't read the ads in the trades usualy and never read Talkers or I would have known that.

With that said, I took his biggest markets which are Dallas and Houston. To move the needle in getting to 1 million listeners you have to have a solid base of cume in the top 10 markets. That's where the people are. The station in Houston, KSEV he has tiny numbers. I mean TINY.

In Dallas on WBAP it is a little better, but not steller. Each market combined is only a fraction of 1 million. He's not on in Atlanta, San Francisco, LA, New York or Detroit. That's five of the top ten. The station in Chicago must not meet the minimum mentions and isn't in the survey.

This is in no way a personal attack on Doyle. I've never heard his show and he could be amazing. This is a rebutal to Talker's ridiculous methods in audience measurement. Arbitron has its issues, but come one.

Who else? No way that Stern and Dr. Lauara have the same size audience. I highly doubt Savage is at 8 mill. Gallagher and Dr. Joy? No way. Randi Rhodes certainly has more listeners then Stefanie Miller.
 
Re: Major Progressive talkers show up for FIRST TIME... not exactly

"For example,progressive talkers Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Al
Franken, and Alan Colmes were not on the last list from
Talkers that also appeared on-line."

Not exactly, Mike Malloy and randi rhodes have been on the list before; malloy when he was on i.e. america radio. There have been others that i can't remember off the top of my head.
 
>
> I have access to national Arb data and can tell you much of
> this is crap. Mike Gallagher? His cume is almost
> non-existant. Jerry Doyle? He's on weekends. Randi Rhodes on
> AAR has many more listeners then Stephanie Miller.
>
> I cannot believe people actually buy into this guys crap.
>
all based on Talkers advertising buys
 
> > While it's not perfect, it would be hard to believe that
> as
> > bad as Doyle is, he is on 200 stations which would create
> > some kind of audience. Why he's on those stations is what
> > ticks me off, but that's another story. Who specifically,
> > besides Gallagher, do you so disagree with on the list?
> >
> I must correct something I mistated above. I didn't realize
> that Doyle's show was also offered now M-F. I don't read the
> ads in the trades usualy and never read Talkers or I would
> have known that.
>
>
almost everybody runs Doyle on weekends only..
 
> Seems to confirm that the hosts of Air America can't get an
> audience.
>
> Where is Jeanine and Randi Rhodes?

Franken only 12.5 million behind Rush LOL
 
Re: Major Progressive talkers show up for FIRST TIME

> Whether you agree or disagree with the survey methodology
> and conclusions, the "top story" here is that the numbers
> reflect the rise of Progressive Talk. For example,
> progressive talkers Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Al
> Franken, and Alan Colmes were not on the last list from
> Talkers that also appeared on-line.
>
Add up the numbers for Colmes, Franken, Schulz, and Miller (5 million).
Now add up the numbers conservatalkers get. It isn't even close. Talk
radio is still dominated by the Right, because it's an alternative
to the left-leaning media elsewhere...
 
> >
> > I have access to national Arb data and can tell you much
> of
> > this is crap. Mike Gallagher? His cume is almost
> > non-existant. Jerry Doyle? He's on weekends. Randi Rhodes
> on
> > AAR has many more listeners then Stephanie Miller.
> >
> > I cannot believe people actually buy into this guys crap.
> >
> all based on Talkers advertising buys
>

Indeed. Sick.
 
Talkers Trashing

I have sent my stations data to this survey for years, but never for a moment took the final result as gospel, or even vaguely scientific.

It never occured to me to LIE about it, but I guess that could happen.

BUT for pure trash, the HEAVY HUNDRED is the most self-serving, ego-driven waste of trees. Then we get all the "kiss ass" letters thanking Talkers for including them in the first place.

Ratings are the only list that matter, and all ratings are LOCAL.
 
I love how serious Harrison's face is whenevr he's discussing talkradio. You'd think he was talking about the most important subject on the face of the earth. Lighten up, you servile suckup..
 
Re: colors

> Your annoying use of BOLDFACE to give undeserved weight to
> your posts can't help you here.

Well, if it happens to show up as bold, blue, bombastic, or just plain boring, or with a black colored background, so what - whatever, who cares - relax - it's just a message board, not a power point presentation in a physics lecture on parallel universes at a major prestigious and private east coast university...lol :cool:
 
Are you referring to Talkers' "Heavy Hundred" list?

> Not exactly, Mike Malloy and randi rhodes have been on the
> list before; malloy when he was on i.e. america radio. There
> have been others that i can't remember off the top of my
> head.

~Are you referring to Talkers' magazine "Heavy Hundred" list of 100 talk hosts? Yes, indeed, Malloy, Rhodes, Hartmann, Bernie Ward, etc. have been on this list before. These lists are also at http://talkers.com Will that link turn blue? What will the background color be? lol
 
Air America host ratings vs. KGO liberal WEST COAST ratings

> > Where is Jeanine and Randi Rhodes?
>
> Franken only 12.5 million behind Rush LOL

Yes - Air America hosts have yet to get into the millionS plural. I'd ask the question whether certain local talk hosts like Bernie Ward and Ray Talliaferro on KGO n/t 810 San Francisco generate more ratings than certain AAR hosts with the skywave at night in several western states.

Certainly KGO shows up in a handful of California markets other than SFO in the 12+ on-line survey areas at R&R - e.g. Sacramento and SantaCruz / Salinas / CarmelValley / Monterey (or something like that, it's market #77, I think).

I guess someone with access to overnight 12+ ratings for California markets where KGO shows up could make a quick calculation and compare it to "Talkers."
 
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