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The middle studio at 300 Broadway was Gene's studio. The ones on either side were for KYA & KSFO respectively when they ran separate programming. During Oakland A's broadcasts, John Trinidad ran that out of Gene's studio...that's generally the only time anyone else worked out of it. The other two air studios were configured sit/stand (with stools for sitting, etc), but Gene's was a sit down only room. His board op. Tony, worked out of the KSFO studio. Those studios, and the production and talk studio/control room were still virtually unchanged at 300 Broadway last I was there, which was late last year.
Which of those studios did Wolfman Jack use when he was there (KSFO) doing a live show? I believe he did do a few there or was he just recording a VT? A DJ Donovan took a friend of mine there to meet him. He Donovan worked for KBAY when it was still near or on Hamilton
Ave. in San Jose for a while before it moved to 94.5. I got to meet him while he was working at KBAY one evening, he was always selling used cars then. KBAY then didn't have much of an on air studio as Donovan went on air from a table right in the front office, what was up with that? Any of you ever work there know why?
Ave. in San Jose for a while before it moved to 94.5. I got to meet him while he was working at KBAY one evening, he was always selling used cars then. KBAY then didn't have much of an on air studio as Donovan went on air from a table right in the front office, what was up with that? Any of you ever work there know why?
stewie said:
I have no idea what that means... so again your point was lost on me, and probably others.
DavidEduardo said:
Simply put: my career in radio is probably just as colorful as yours.
I'm not trying to create some kind of pissing match, I just wanted you to know that I too have many years of experience in commercial radio. I know very well what a DJ is and don't need a definition.
I have the utmost respect for you and the experience of others on this board. No reason to be a jerk about it.
@Radiostar- The times I was around, Wolf came in and used the KYA studio...the first one you enter after coming into the studio complex. His road manager (Lonnie, I think) always ran the board for him. All the shows were normally on tape, except about once a month when he came in and did a live show. He couldn't have been nicer or more humble behind the scenes.
Interloper said:
Hello, Rhonda? Do you know anything about AFTRA/SAG? The union is crap...they don't negotiate contracts, and they don't stand behind their members...all they care about is their dues, and the members who do VO's! The Union's time has come...the talent have no one backing them, and it's big biz as usual...and now Radio Corps are getting what they pay for ~ NOTHING! Is there any intelligent life among owners/management? Or has it all turned to s**t?
stewie said:
All I said was that I did not understand the statement... I was not being flip. Since the comment was (apparently) addressed to me, I asked. You explained. Done.
rockerchick said:
It's time for talent to organize another union. There are other unions that have had broadcasting-oriented locals: the IBEW and NABET to name just two. Heck, maybe the SEIU might be interested in helping start a broadcasting union. Presently, the SEIU is a very powerful union, organizing mainly public employees, but there is nothing restricting them from organizing in the private sector.
I see from their website that the IBEW isn't organizing service workers currently. But NABET/CWA is still representing local Bay Area broadcasters. Here's the SF chapter of NABET/CWA: http://www.nabet51.org/
I know plenty about AFTRA-SAG, and unions in general as a member of AFTRA-SAG.
Imperfect, yes...but you validate my point in my original thread...some of us are working inside to try to make the climate and situation better, while many who lurk on boards like this (not all of course here) gnash their teeth, complain, and dream of "yesterday" instead of doing something about it TODAY!
As pathetic as some of radio has become, it is more pathetic for those who were once in the business or who still are to complain about it, without doing anything on their own to try to improve it.
No "knight in shining armor" is going to come and save the day...we have to take up our own cause.
If you are so easily willing to abdicate your voice and power, then you deserve the crap you get...as having conviction is great, but lacking courage to fight for it, is by far more pathetic, and makes you complicit in the problem.
Eldridge Cleaver...."If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem".
Imperfect, yes...but you validate my point in my original thread...some of us are working inside to try to make the climate and situation better, while many who lurk on boards like this (not all of course here) gnash their teeth, complain, and dream of "yesterday" instead of doing something about it TODAY!
As pathetic as some of radio has become, it is more pathetic for those who were once in the business or who still are to complain about it, without doing anything on their own to try to improve it.
No "knight in shining armor" is going to come and save the day...we have to take up our own cause.
If you are so easily willing to abdicate your voice and power, then you deserve the crap you get...as having conviction is great, but lacking courage to fight for it, is by far more pathetic, and makes you complicit in the problem.
Eldridge Cleaver...."If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem".
Excellent observation, DK. Actually, well past time.
The current AFTRA Union is just okay, but its representatives are not; they're close to worthless. They are focused only on collecting money and covering their asses. They have no interest in individual stations or members. They will listen and respond with forms and probably the nation's limpest lawyer, but, like getting a second medical opinion, you must press them.
If thinking about creating a new union, build in personal participation. The air talent in San Francisco, generally speaking, is at least 50% responsible for all these union defeats, having acted lazily, hesitatingly and timidly. As a union member, you have to make it work for you.
Otherwise you get a lethargic, ineffective do-nothing response. Like the one we have now.
Another Union?
What, is that going to all the sudden change how those corporations deal with us?
What has to be done is change within the current structure who is negotiating on our behalves.
Remember, a union is only as strong as its members.
Blaming AFTRA-SAG for the issues, is like blaming your car for not knowing when to stop...when YOU are the one driving it.
We ARE the union...we have to be the ones who set the direction and set the agenda.
Folks are placing blame on the wrong people...it starts AND ends with us, the members who pay the dues.
Any other thought is BS, cowardice, and unwillingness to accept any responsibility with the current climate.
We are also at fault with how things have become...time we own up to our being complicit...or lazy, or both.
What, is that going to all the sudden change how those corporations deal with us?
What has to be done is change within the current structure who is negotiating on our behalves.
Remember, a union is only as strong as its members.
Blaming AFTRA-SAG for the issues, is like blaming your car for not knowing when to stop...when YOU are the one driving it.
We ARE the union...we have to be the ones who set the direction and set the agenda.
Folks are placing blame on the wrong people...it starts AND ends with us, the members who pay the dues.
Any other thought is BS, cowardice, and unwillingness to accept any responsibility with the current climate.
We are also at fault with how things have become...time we own up to our being complicit...or lazy, or both.
Interloper said:
Why not? Both AFTRA and NABET have represented broadcasters in the Bay Area for decades. If AFTRA can't handle it, go to NABET. I don't recall any strikes by NABET against, say, KQED Radio or TV. While maybe their contracts aren't ideal, the KQED folks aren't getting fired either. They have job security. Say THAT about any AFTRA-organized station.
Yes. I was once a union organizer at Williams Sonoma when they were in Emeryville. We got them to do an immediate about-face in the way they treated us warehouse workers.
AFTRA had their chance and they blew it. It's time to bring in NABET instead. Again, AFTRA has lost jobs and has allowed union stations such as KGO to fire people left and right, whereas stations organized by NABET such as KQED have not seen this kind of wholesale firing problem.
Interloper said:
I have been through many years of negotiations alongside the Union, so please don't suggest they're aren't members who are active and interested in their CBA, but over the past 25 years, the Union's representation of radio stations hasn't been their priority, I've seen it, I've lived it. I have fought the battles and had the troops beside me.
The past 5 years AFTRA's representation of radio has been a disgrace, and I have followed through even asking National to create job here in SF (as they did with former WLTW air personality Rick Sommers in New York)
Has the local and or national responded to me? Not yet...I would love to help bring about change, what about you?
If you talk to someone "in the know" they'll tell you that AFTRA has been focused on merging with SAG for decades. This last vote that finally brought the unions together wasn't the first time they tried and now that the merger has finally taken place I'm waiting to see what happens. SAG is an actor's union, where AFTRA has covered actors, singers, dancers and broadcasters. Time will tell if broadcasters get the short end of the stick when it comes to representation. We certainly haven't had the best people fighting for us in the last two decades. When I came into AFTRA we had some real tough negotiators working for us. Now, I' not so sure. What amazes me is how many parts of a staff contract have been eliminated. Gone from most agreements are provisions covering staffing levels, short turnaround, minimum call and compensation rates. Stations cry that they're too poor to staff their stations correctly and pay their talent. Then they'll turn around and acquire another company for hundreds of millions of dollars that they said they didn't have. Yes, I realize that technology has changed a lot of how stations operate, but how many stations or radio groups have been their own worst enemies when it comes to squandering money and resources? I'm sure posters to Radio-Info could fill a page with stories that cover that topic. Most on staff at AFTRA are lawyers, so you would think they would know how to fight for their members, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I know of a talent in LA who had been wrongly terminated and the case was taken up by the head of broadcast for the union local. To hear my friend tell it, you would think that the union rep worked for the station, not the talent. NABET has primarily been an engineers/tech's union, so I don't know how they might handle talent, but if they can do a better job, then I'm all for it.
The exact same thing happened when the Bullitt family (KING) sold KSFO to ABC. Mickey Luckoff and his friends built a KSFO studio at 900 Front Street, and on the very last day of the oldies format, Gene Nelson was on air as the morning man over at KSFO at 300 Broadway. He said he had not been contacted by anybody from ABC about anything. He just did his shift, shut the door behind him, and both 300 Broadway and Gene Nelson were history.
THIS is by KGO's (falsely) revered Mickey Luckoff.
not to take exception with mr. luckhoff, but if memory serves me correctly, KSFO switched to a talk format from oldies at least a year prior to the KGO purchase. Gene did talk from 6-9am with ginny prior and dave henderson. He didnt walk away unannounced. he was disenchanted with the treatment - or perceived non treatment he received from KGO, and simply decided that the day ownership was to change hands, would be his final show. this was known weeks, if not months in advance, and gene did an exceptional, heartwarming final broadcast that morning. i have a copy of that program if anyones interested. to my knowledge, that was his final appearance on the radio in san francisco or anywhere.
THIS is by KGO's (falsely) revered Mickey Luckoff.
not to take exception with mr. luckhoff, but if memory serves me correctly, KSFO switched to a talk format from oldies at least a year prior to the KGO purchase. Gene did talk from 6-9am with ginny prior and dave henderson. He didnt walk away unannounced. he was disenchanted with the treatment - or perceived non treatment he received from KGO, and simply decided that the day ownership was to change hands, would be his final show. this was known weeks, if not months in advance, and gene did an exceptional, heartwarming final broadcast that morning. i have a copy of that program if anyones interested. to my knowledge, that was his final appearance on the radio in san francisco or anywhere.
krth101 said:
He had said at the time that absolutely nobody from KGO had contacted him about anything. That was the reason I brought this up. Shabby treatment of longtime employees did not begin with Cumulus.
Oh, and for the legal purists, whether ABC bought the KSFO business (assets plus liabilities such as employee contracts) or whether it was an assets-only sale, it was still a shabby way to treat anybody, especially someone who had worked at the station for so long.
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