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Thank you, Oldies 103

Ed101 said:
As for the "you're welcome" card that I get every month.. yeah, I can drop them any time I like. But at $12.95/month, it costs me less than my monthly coffee budget ;D

...and Starbucks just closed 600 stores. Seems like during tough times when people are trying to find money to fill their gas tanks....people are looking for ways to cut those extras.

XM and Sirius listening in Boston is less than 1%. And that 1% is is spread out over all the channels. I think XM & Sirius are not getting the listeners they were projecting.

If they merger doesn't go thru, I don't know what they'll do.


BTW....Doesn't Oldies HD-2 channel play 50's-60's oldies?
 
I am almost always pleasantly surprised when I tune into Oldies 103.3. The A to Z thing that they did again last week has once again broadened the playlist! Also, they are playing more 80's tunes now as well!

Now granted, they are not North Shore 104.9 with that kind of variety, but thats ok. Oldies is good at what they do!
 
spilot113 said:
BTW....Doesn't Oldies HD-2 channel play 50's-60's oldies?

No. Oldies 103.3 has never yet broadcast in HD at all. It's the only remaining major company-owned Class B FM in Boston proper not yet broadcasting in HD.

I've also read that a '50s/'60s oldies channel has been planned for their HD-2, but they're still not even running HD-1 yet.
 
btw an article in yesterday's USA Today said that by now they were expecting about a million
people to own HD radios. It's been about half that
 
raccoonradio said:
btw an article in yesterday's USA Today said that by now they were expecting about a million
people to own HD radios. It's been about half that

Probably should start a separate topic... but I noticed the other day that Circuit City had 3 (count 'em ...3) Sony HD radios on sale for 1/2 price as open box units (read: they brought 'em back 'cause they're no good).
HD radio is dead in the water... 15-20 seconds of dead air if you lose the signal or tune beyond the channel? And the radios aren't that sensitive to begin with.
 
WLYNgm said:
Yea, but if you were an 8 year old, transistor radio pressed to
your ear, listening to the Beatles invasion (as I was!) as current music,
"oldies" then were, indeed, 50's greaser music... ;D

As a little lad of 6 (in 1966), I was the first on my block to listen to FM. WRKO-FM (98.5) was the place with ARKO-matic ("The Shy But Friendly Robot")! At the time it was a 50/50 mix of currents and oldies. When I speak of oldies, it was the 1954-1965 range. At that time, I loved the older material. When 98.5 when to all oldies in 1973, their focus was 1954-1970. A lot of young people my age loved and listened to WROR ("The Golden Great 98!"). At that time, FM was only getting its' wings.

Today, I am 48 years old and I still love the music of Rock's first 25 years (1954-1979). Sure, wall-to-wall segues of pre-1964 music will not cut it. But there are still of a lot of people under 55, with lots of spending power (aka- $$$$$$$), who would love to hear one or two upbeat early rock cuts an hour. People still love to hear Chuck Berry, Elvis, Dion DiMucci, Leslie Gore and more. And I know many college students and post-grads who really appreciate the music that made it all possible for the Beatles to flourish in the States. My fellow co-worker who is only 24 has the "Sirius Gold", "60's Vibrations" and "Totally 70's" as presets on his receiver. And he worked at the Stonehill College radio station (WSHL-FM/91.3) for his entire college career. He loves the new music but really digs the oldies and so do I. His favorite oldie? "Donna, The Prima Donna" by Dion from 1962 in all its' glorious Stereo glory.

WODS's sister station WCBS-FM in New York admitted to the entire world that what they did three years ago was nothing short of stupid when they dumped the oldies. When they returned, they retooled the original 'CBS-FM format to include the 80's. But more than that, they never forgot the original sound of rock's first 10 years. It's doing quite well with a classic hit or two from the pre-Beatle era every hour. I know many people, not just radio geeks, under the age of 30 were happy as a clam to hear 'CBS-FM came back and they love it. I love the new 'CBS-FM/101.1 and listen to it quite often and also have WLS-FM 94.7 as a preset as well.

No doubt, Oldies 103.3 had to include the 80's to satisfy the younger demographics. But even with the younger demos, guaranteed they would not have any turn-offs if they threw in an upbeat pre-Beatles tune twice an hour, like what 'CBS-FM and the new WLS-FM are doing NOW. No "Teen Angel" stuff, no sad songs, just some really upbeat tunes that happen to be from the pre-Beatle era. You'd find that a lot of people with a lot of spending power would come back to WODS. I say, make it special and who knows, some of us Sirius listeners might venture back to FM and 103.3.
 
Ed101 said:
raccoonradio said:
btw an article in yesterday's USA Today said that by now they were expecting about a million
people to own HD radios. It's been about half that

... but I noticed the other day that Circuit City had 3 (count 'em ...3) Sony HD radios on sale for 1/2 price as open box units (read: they brought 'em back 'cause they're no good).
HD radio is dead in the water...

How long did it take FM to take hold?

HD radio may be slow to catch on, but it's not going anywhere.

The ability to incorporate secondary streams is something stations will not give up.

It adds too much funtionality.

btw, there was also an article in yesterdays USA Today about cars starting to come stock with HD radio.
 
I put links to the USA Today articles on the HD board.
I do see secondary and tertiary streams of HD (also heard on websites, I believe). For example when
I was in Pitt. I saw the program guide (the last _print_ one) for WDUQ and it said they had a secondary
stream for NPR stuff and a third one for all blues. KCRW in Santa Monica also has the 2 HD streams in
addition to the reg. HD version of its main signal
 
spilot113 said:
Ed101 said:
raccoonradio said:
btw an article in yesterday's USA Today said that by now they were expecting about a million
people to own HD radios. It's been about half that

... but I noticed the other day that Circuit City had 3 (count 'em ...3) Sony HD radios on sale for 1/2 price as open box units (read: they brought 'em back 'cause they're no good).
HD radio is dead in the water...

How long did it take FM to take hold?

HD radio may be slow to catch on, but it's not going anywhere.

It took about 35 years for FM to flourish in about 1971. Take into account that before 1947, the original FM band was around 40-50 MHz and was thriving. Almost overnight in 1947 when FM was kicked-up upstairs to 88-108 MHz as mandated by the FCC, millions of FM sets were made obsolete indirectly courtesy of the AM interests (RCA, CBS et.al.) to make way for TV, which indirectly benefited with FM's castration. All FM stations were required to move within a two year span. Some made it, others said "to hell with it" and shut down. The radios that came out of this move were numb, unstable and had a tendency to drift in frequency. It wasn't until 1964 did FM start to grow again with the FCC mandate that all AM and FM combos in the largest markets must provide at least 50% non-duplicated programing per day. This was to stimulate growth for FM. It worked! The radios improved dramatically to the point where they are today. Today, there are hundreds of millions of FM sets in this country alone.

Today, AM and FM are in the midst of a shakedown where the current mindset is "digital at any cost". This means, IBOC (HDRadio). IBOC is a technology that requires the use of a station's first adjacent channel. I've bought an IBOC receiver and I'm really not impressed with it both in terms of performance and programming. The HD coverage is pretty spotty at best and, like it or not, causes interference to a lot of other nearby stations on the dial. Now they're talking about increasing IBOC's power to 10 db more than it is now. This would breed even more interference, for sure, the likes of which we've never seen before. Maybe IBOC is not the answer. Read up about FMeXtra, the digital technology that uses the existing SCA spectrum and allows for full quality Digital Stereo, with the capability of multi-casting just like IBOC. But unlike IBOC, FMeXtra will not interfere with first or second adjacents at all and will provide a more stable coverage area, especially in cars where it's needed most.

Right now, there are maybe about one-hundred thousand HD Radios out there, compared to the hundreds of millions of analog radios already out there. I would like to see if the proposed FM2 band (72-88 MHz) were to be initiated, FMeXtra would be mandated instead of IBOC. This would allow the AM operations to move to this spectrum and possibly use the second stream for their digital service in full Stereo. I don't think HD Radio as it stands right now is going to make a big dent in the market. It seems to me to be a flawed technology. If they can improve it without the interference and the lack of coverage so prevalent with it, maybe I will think otherwise. It seems to me like trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
 
I liken WODS's seemingly limited playlist to going into Freindly's and ordering a vanilla ice cream cone. Many people like vanilla, it's safe, noncontroversial. But there are a lot of other flavors, some people ARE tired of the Doobies, the O'Jays etc. They've probably heard the same damn song 1K times or more.
I listened to their format last night for 30 min or so. Not 1 good song. Just the same tired old "hits."
My next car will have satelite, one can always give up the Starbucks or Dunken Donut coffee and use an antique called a thermos.
 
Peter Q. George (K1XRB) said:
I've bought an IBOC receiver and I'm really not impressed with it both in terms of performance and programming. The HD coverage is pretty spotty at best and, like it or not, causes interference to a lot of other nearby stations on the dial.

I don't think HD Radio as it stands right now is going to make a big dent in the market. It seems to me to be a flawed technology. If they can improve it without the interference and the lack of coverage so prevalent with it, maybe I will think otherwise.

Well, it's only going to get better.

I remember hearing every one of those same things said about FM...

As far as "interference", only radio geeks and DX-ers on radio geek sites and BB's are complaining. I have never been in a focus group where people have complained about IBOC "interference".

Reminds me of a few stations back when that wouldn't turn off their stereo generator because "it reduced your listening coverage".

Like FM and stereo, the benefits outweigh whatever old technology people are hanging onto.

While it may take some time....Stations are not going to turn of their HD services.
 
vibe said:
I liken WODS's seemingly limited playlist to going into Freindly's and ordering a vanilla ice cream cone. Many people like vanilla, it's safe, noncontroversial. But there are a lot of other flavors, some people ARE tired of the Doobies, the O'Jays etc. They've probably heard the same damn song 1K times or more.


That's what the weekend/evening programming is for...to add specialty songs to the airwaves.

If it's one of my favorite songs, I never tire of hearing them.
(I am amazed at how much I still like hearing Fontella Bass, Spiral Staircase, etc. I would rather hear these songs again than some doo-wopp song)


vibe said:
I listened to their format last night for 30 min or so. Not 1 good song. Just the same tired old "hits."
My next car will have satelite, one can always give up the Starbucks or Dunken Donut coffee and use an antique called a thermos.

This may surprise you, but there was probably someone else somewhere that listened for the same 30 mins (or so) that you did and loved every song! Judging by arb's....probably thousands.

"Not 1 good song" is a subjective comment.

Broadcasting is all about getting lots of people to listen, for ectended periods of time. One person complaining about "no good songs" doesn't offer much to the discussion.

vibe said:
My next car will have satelite, one can always give up the Starbucks or Dunken Donut coffee and use an antique called a thermos.

Kaching.....$!$!$!! You're welcome!

btw...when Oldies does 50's/60's oldies on their HD-2 channel (whenenver that happens), you won't have to pay a subscription fee.
 
spilot113 said:
How long did it take FM to take hold?

HD radio may be slow to catch on, but it's not going anywhere.

"Not going anywhere" is exactly right. This is not the 1950s. New tech either takes off or it dies, in a very short time period. DVDs took less than six years to completely obsolete video tapes. CDs had blown LPs away in about the same amount of time. HD radio has been around for five years already. By the time HD takes hold, at this rate, it will have been eclipsed by WiMax or some other Internet-based tech. "Wait until next year" is a good slogan for sports, but not for new tech.

spilot113 said:
The ability to incorporate secondary streams is something stations will not give up.

It adds too much funtionality.

The only thing it adds is a severe drain on station budgets which are already beyond maxed out. Out of all the stations running HD secondaries, you can count on the fingers of one hand the number of stations that have actually allocated more than a computer in a closet to them...and you'd have a few fingers left over. Further, the radio business appears to have forgotten its own past. Doubling or tripling the number of FM stations, without the economic basis to sustain them, is a recipe for disaster (remember Docket 80-90?). Given the pitiful number of HD receivers in the hands of consumers, there's no way any HD secondaries are going to have enough audience to draw advertising buys, at least not for many years, perhaps even decades...and radio companies, particularly the publicly-traded ones, do not sustain money-losing operations indefinitely.

Demand for HD radio is virtually non-existent, and the promotions devised to try to "sell" it border on the idiotic. Building up HD while insulting the same product running on analog (read: the analog signal, where stations make all their money) was dumb beyond description, as was the last promotional campaign calling HD "radio with a boob job." Those promotions, running on distressed inventory, did so well that consumer awareness of HD radio has actually *dropped* in the past year. The latest campaign says nothing about needing a new radio, nor does it tell the listener where to get them. The last survey I saw stated that about a quarter of those questioned thought they already had HD just because the station said it was transmitting in HD.

spilot113 said:
As far as "interference", only radio geeks and DX-ers on radio geek sites and BB's are complaining.

No. Plenty of radio business insiders are complaining about it too. At least one owner has formally complained to the FCC (which promised a fair hearing for owners experiencing interference), and so far the FCC has ignored the complaint. The interference has driven the DOE for Citadel to order his AM stations not to run HD at night, citing adjacent-channel interference problems, often between Citadel stations hundreds of miles apart.
 
.[/quote] The interference has driven the DOE for Citadel to order his AM stations not to run HD at night, citing adjacent-channel interference problems, often between Citadel stations hundreds of miles apart.
[/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Citadel repeal that directive?
 
I ran across a "gem" of an oldies show. I think it comes out of 960-AM in West Palm Beach, Florida but I listened to it over the web at www.seaviewam960.com in stereo. A friend of mine turned me on to it a few weeks ago and it is fantastic. DJ is named "Jammin Jon" and he airs on Saturdays from 1-5PM Eastern Time. It is a throwback to great radio of the 50's & 60's. He plays it ALL!!!! Doo-wop, 50's, 60's & '70's rock & roll plus he takes requests and dedications on demand both by toll-free phone and via email. It doesn't seem that he has any playlists....just pick and play....its a breath of fresh air. If you love real oldies, especially the stuff you will never hear on formatted, voice-tracked stations, I strongly recommend you check this out. I think that the rest of the time this station plays adult standards which put me to sleep, but this Saturday show is definitely worth a listen. If I hear of any more shows playing real oldies I'll be sure to post it here.
 
There was/is? a real good Sun nite oldies show on 107.9 (think the station is in the Sarasota FL area) that really would have knocked my socks off had I been wearing them. Lots of 1 hit wonder stuff mixed in with stuff U usually don't hear.
 
vibe said:
There was/is? a real good Sun nite oldies show on 107.9 (think the station is in the Sarasota FL area) that really would have knocked my socks off had I been wearing them. Lots of 1 hit wonder stuff mixed in with stuff U usually don't hear.

I know the show you are thinking of...it came out of Oldies 108 in Sarasota, FL. I don't think its on any more. But the Saturday afternoon show I mentioned in my previous post is even better. Especially if you like the oldies you don't usually hear any more. Give it a listen. I and lots of my friends who love oldies around the world love it.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
spilot113 said:
How long did it take FM to take hold?

HD radio may be slow to catch on, but it's not going anywhere.

"Not going anywhere" is exactly right. This is not the 1950s. New tech either takes off or it dies, in a very short time period.

Wrong, no one is expecting it to replace analog especially in the short run....it doesn't have to "take off". It's going to end up like a station web pages. (Have they "taken off"?) The HD technology that allows multiple streams and data will be there as an added benefit, added value, and an added place to make some money.....like a stations web page.

dumber than a box of hair said:
spilot113 said:
The only thing it adds is a severe drain on station budgets which are already beyond maxed out.


Wrong, most stations aren't spending much money on HD...again, it's an ancillary service stations see for added value, bonus, promotion, time to sell.

dumber than a box of hair said:
Demand for HD radio is virtually non-existent,

So was the demand for FM...until cars starting coming with it stock.

dumber than a box of hair said:
spilot113 said:
As far as "interference", only radio geeks and DX-ers on radio geek sites and BB's are complaining.

Plenty of radio business insiders are complaining about it too.

I'm also old enough to remember engineers complaing that the stereo pilot reduced coverage area. It's only a problem for DX-ers....and those listening outside of protected contours.

NHRadio said:
The interference has driven the DOE for Citadel to order his AM stations not to run HD at night, citing adjacent-channel interference problems, often between Citadel stations hundreds of miles apart.

Wrong, they're back on.
 
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