The Bone

[ButtnPushr]

I agree. They need to pick a genre of Rock (classic, active, alternative, indie, or whatever), stick with it, and run with it! I guess we'll see what happens.. Not by listening of course, but by reading about it on here!!

Thye Bone has ALREADY betrayed listeners. The Bone started out with a braod playlist, and then, little by little, tightened it up to Generic Corporate Crappic Rock for Losers at Bars.....

Well, once you have betryaed your core listener-ship, then you will likely NEVER be able to regain that respect EVER again. And, The Bone IS NOT trying to regain that respect. YOU DON'T FORGET WHEN SOMEONE DUMPS YOU.

The Bone is a Two-Timin' Unfathful Cheat, when it comes to their music playlists.

You can put whatever kind of 'spin' on what The Bone did, but the gist of it will ALWAYS BE that they SCREWED their Loyal Listeners. PERIOD.

You hit the nail on the head, Rover!! So, shouldn't they blow up the station and start from scratch? That way, it would be a clean slate to work with... (and LOL at "losers at bars") HA HA!!

 

[johnqdoe]

lets take up a collection and get Rover a 100K stick so he can how us all what rock n roll radio is supposed to be.

I agree. They need to pick a genre of Rock (classic, active, alternative, indie, or whatever), stick with it, and run with it! I guess we'll see what happens.. Not by listening of course, but by reading about it on here!!

Thye Bone has ALREADY betrayed listeners. The Bone started out with a braod playlist, and then, little by little, tightened it up to Generic Corporate Crappic Rock for Losers at Bars.....

Well, once you have betryaed your core listener-ship, then you will likely NEVER be able to regain that respect EVER again. And, The Bone IS NOT trying to regain that respect. YOU DON'T FORGET WHEN SOMEONE DUMPS YOU.

The Bone is a Two-Timin' Unfathful Cheat, when it comes to their music playlists.

You can put whatever kind of 'spin' on what The Bone did, but the gist of it will ALWAYS BE that they SCREWED their Loyal Listeners. PERIOD.

 

[ButtnPushr]

lets take up a collection and get Rover a 100K stick so he can how us all what rock n roll radio is supposed to be.

.. or a girlfriend that won't dump him!! I do appreciate his honesty... and bitterness!! He makes a great point, with both.

 

[flipper123]

I agree. They need to pick a genre of Rock (classic, active, alternative, indie, or whatever), stick with it, and run with it! I guess we'll see what happens.. Not by listening of course, but by reading about it on here!!

Thye Bone has ALREADY betrayed listeners. The Bone started out with a braod playlist, and then, little by little, tightened it up to Generic Corporate Crappic Rock for Losers at Bars.....

Well, once you have betryaed your core listener-ship, then you will likely NEVER be able to regain that respect EVER again. And, The Bone IS NOT trying to regain that respect. YOU DON'T FORGET WHEN SOMEONE DUMPS YOU.

The Bone is a Two-Timin' Unfathful Cheat, when it comes to their music playlists.

You can put whatever kind of 'spin' on what The Bone did, but the gist of it will ALWAYS BE that they SCREWED their Loyal Listeners. PERIOD.

You hit the nail on the head, Rover!! So, shouldn't they blow up the station and start from scratch? That way, it would be a clean slate to work with... (and LOL at "losers at bars") HA HA!!

Agreed. Once they changed from "rocks harder" to the "Most Burned of all Time format/ imitation KZPS", they lost everything, which wasnt much to start. They shoulda blown it up then when they decided to alienate their core. ........... OR they could have just turned off the transmitter after the initial 6 month newlywed period wore off, cuz it was really over back then in '03.

Actually blowing it up at any point would be good. It's such a garbage pit.

 

[ButtnPushr]

WOW!! I GOTTA ask... Is there ANYONE out there who actually LIKES what The Bone is doing?? I'm asking because I don't think I've ever read one positive thing about them on this board. Anyone... anyone..? Bueller??

 

[scottythecynic]

Well, I wil say this: They put on a great BBQ at Sneaky Pete's last Saturday!

Gary's experimenting and I believe he's doing what he can as far as he can.

It's always about money, money, money. I remember the old Bone and the faithful very well. When Cumulus bought out Susquehanna I knew things would drop like a 500 pounder of an Iraqi safe house.

 

[MikeShannon914]

WOW!! I GOTTA ask... Is there ANYONE out there who actually LIKES what The Bone is doing?? I'm asking because I don't think I've ever read one positive thing about them on this board. Anyone... anyone..? Bueller??

Come to think of it, I do like their playlist much better than just a few months ago. It's as if they lifted most of my playlist from Retro Radio 1360 (the 'Modern Classic Rock' concept I've pushed on this board forever) and started playing it, and coincidentally about 2 weeks after I started playing it. HOWEVER...my problem with The Bone has to do with imaging and their "perceived" legitimacy. No matter how much I like the music, or particular songs or song sets they may play, I still think back on Jeff K and the old Sucks-quehanna crew when I hear "The Bone" name, and that brings back a lot of angst for me. I think about how the station started off strong (not Literally) and degraded into Jeff's personal jukebox over time. The station was a laughingstock for WAY too long for me to ever take the "Bone" imaging seriously again. Even the imaging voice is the same as back then.

Me, I'd chuck ALL the imaging AND name AND calls, reimage it in the style of Q-102 or The Zoo ("quiet" DJs with a little mystique, three+ in a row, get a new voice, get some familiar Q or Zoo jocks on board, etc.) I think they're on the right track with the music; it's just the stuff in between that's still unnerving to me. (And I'm still a little miffed of how they treated Channing...not once, but twice.) They might even ask Mitch Carr how Q-102 handled the Cowboys games back in the late 1970s...I think Q-102 was able to make the Cowboys an asset to them, instead of something you listened to "despite" what station was carrying them.

 

[scottythecynic]

With all due respect, Mike, I disagree. It sounds as if you have a personal problem with Jeff K. If you'll remember correctly, Scott Strong was calling the shots there as PD. Do you recall the sweeper that proclaimed, "We fired the consultants"? That was b.s. As a matter of fact, Scott "tweaked" the playlist based on focus groups, half of whom were ZPS listeners. I was in his office the day the "tweak" went into effect. I even advised it was a wrong move, not that I am even close to an expert. You are far superior to me along those lines.

However, it is my honest opinion that Jeff K went well out of his way to keep that station afloat even during the transition from Susquehanna to Cume-less. Before Fish came in and cleaned house, Jennifer split for Atlanta and Scott bailed as well. As for Channing, I like and know her, but there were good reasons why she was canned and you would do well to know what they are because you do err. Ask Vinnie Paul for starters, mmmk?

Now I agree that your playlist and that of The Bone are similar and I give you props on it. One of the main drawbacks for The Bone is 50,000 watts. They cannot cover DFW like the big blasters.

I know Gary as well and I like the guy. I'm going to sit back and watch what, if anything, transpires. Digging The Bone out of its current rut will be a herculean task. Let's give Gary a chance and see what happens.

 

[Texaz]

Since when do PD's get to program music with corporate radio?

 

[scottythecynic]

I know what you're saying, Cowboy. Corporate radio is all about the money, so with whatever format they use they'll play the songs people want to hear, i.e., generally what they're familiar with. An example with The Bone (or any classic rock station) is the played-out "Stairway To Heaven" classic. Granted, it's a great song but as for me, it's been played to the point that when I hear it, I go elsewhere on the proverbial "dial". Tweaking and/or experimenting would be tossing in a lesser known Zep tune, e.g., maybe "How Many More Times". When was the last time you heard that on the radio? How about not in the last 30 years?

PD's do have some leeway when constructing the playlist. Gary has with The Bone as Mr Shannon has pointed out as well. Gone are the days however when stations really "play what we want" as Jack likes to brag about. They are no more playing what the jocks (what few there are) want than in any other corporate setting.

 

[jeffdfw]

R&R is reporting that 93.3 has officially dropped "The Classic Rock Station" They are now playing 90's, 2k's and currents. So, like a fool I turn it on and what do I hear? Rush. :

 

[little1]

An example with The Bone (or any classic rock station) is the played-out "Stairway To Heaven" classic. Granted, it's a great song but as for me, it's been played to the point that when I hear it, I go elsewhere on the proverbial "dial".

How much do you listen to the radio? How much do you think the average listener listens to any particular station?
And do you think there's a difference between those 2?

Because if you're a heavy user, you're probably going to think that the playlist is to small..."Man, i just heard stairway YESTERDAY!!!".

If you're a light user, you're reaction is probably like "Man, it's been WEEKS since I've heard Stairway..."

The challenge for a good programmer is to play stairway enough that light user hears songs he knows/likes when he tunes in, why not playing unknown/obscure stuff that's going to turn light user away. While at the very same time, not playing those well known songs so often that heavy user gets burnt out on them, while also playing enough 'deep cuts' (aka unknown/obscure stuff) that heavy user stays interested in the station.

Seem Impossible? It is. I've described it as driving from ditch to ditch on a road. You'd love to be able to just steer right down the middle, always playing the 'perfect music", but it's more like veering to far one way, hitting the rumble strips, and steering back the other way. Then you go the other way (play more album tracks!!!) until your ratinsg go down (those rumble strips again) and you decide to play it a little more safe...So you play it safe, ratings go up, then people start getting bored (insert rumble strip sound), now veer the other way, play "How many more times"...

 

[scottythecynic]

Oh, I agree, Little. I couldn't begin to know what a typical playlist is nowadays, but I'm guessing 500 or so? Please enlighten me.

I do understand the dichotomy between the casual listener and the heavy one. The latter seek the deeper cuts whereas the lighter one relies on the so-called "hits." That's why top 40 formats are popular.

 

[little1]

It varies, but 400-500 is probably pretty common.

And the point I was tryingto make is that if you're a heavy user, youmight be tired of Stairway, but brother/sister/co-worker/friend/whoever who is a light user mightthinkthey dont play it enough...

 

[Channing1969]

With all due respect, Mike, I disagree. It sounds as if you have a personal problem with Jeff K. If you'll remember correctly, Scott Strong was calling the shots there as PD. Do you recall the sweeper that proclaimed, "We fired the consultants"? That was b.s. As a matter of fact, Scott "tweaked" the playlist based on focus groups, half of whom were ZPS listeners. I was in his office the day the "tweak" went into effect. I even advised it was a wrong move, not that I am even close to an expert. You are far superior to me along those lines.

However, it is my honest opinion that Jeff K went well out of his way to keep that station afloat even during the transition from Susquehanna to Cume-less. Before Fish came in and cleaned house, Jennifer split for Atlanta and Scott bailed as well. As for Channing, I like and know her, but there were good reasons why she was canned and you would do well to know what they are because you do err. Ask Vinnie Paul for starters, mmmk?

I will respond to this. (and thanks for saying you like me, that's sweet) Vinnie Paul, I am sure, doesn't have a clue why I was fired. I will say "guilt by association" (on my part...uhmmm, hanging out with Rockstars a little too much) the first time around was only part of the issue. The other part of the issue is still something between myself, Scott Strong, and the higher ups at Susquehanna. The second time around, well, part of it was a Cumuless thing, the other part, I still don't have a definitive answer, nor do I need one. I have some suspicions, and my own opinion, but I choose to keep those to myself. I will say I enjoyed both stints at The Bone, I miss the old, "original" Bone music, on air staff, management, and hell, everyone in the building. I made a couple of great friends my second go around at the station (Sexxton and Reed) and will forever treasure those friendships I made and The Bone will always be a time I look back on with great memories, and, I'll admit, a regret or two.

Now I agree that your playlist and that of The Bone are similar and I give you props on it. One of the main drawbacks for The Bone is 50,000 watts. They cannot cover DFW like the big blasters.

I know Gary as well and I like the guy. I'm going to sit back and watch what, if anything, transpires. Digging The Bone out of its current rut will be a herculean task. Let's give Gary a chance and see what happens.

 

[Channing1969]

Holy hell, how did I put my respone in the quote?? DUH, I need internet 101 please. Here's my response to Scott regarding Vinnie Paul.

I will respond to this. (and thanks for saying you like me, that's sweet) Vinnie Paul, I am sure, doesn't have a clue why I was fired. I will say "guilt by association" (on my part...uhmmm, hanging out with Rockstars a little too much) the first time around was only part of the issue. The other part of the issue is still something between myself, Scott Strong, and the higher ups at Susquehanna. The second time around, well, part of it was a Cumuless thing, the other part, I still don't have a definitive answer, nor do I need one. I have some suspicions, and my own opinion, but I choose to keep those to myself. I will say I enjoyed both stints at The Bone, I miss the old, "original" Bone music, on air staff, management, and hell, everyone in the building. I made a couple of great friends my second go around at the station (Sexxton and Reed) and will forever treasure those friendships I made and The Bone will always be a time I look back on with great memories, and, I'll admit, a regret or two.

 

[scottythecynic]

Channing, I worded that somewhat wrong vis-a-vis Vinnie. I meant that it was related. This medium is so inefficient for getting the exact thing on ones mind to others. My sincere apologies for that.

You know there is always professional jealousies in this business. It's the same in film and TV. I find it best to be nice to all if at all possible. In that way you don't have to kiss butt and one always lands on their feet eventually. Anyway, there were several people "done wrong" at The Bone as elsewhere in DFW radio. I won't name names but perhaps you know better than I with regard to reasons.

I hope for your success.

 

[TheRover]

It varies, but 400-500 is probably pretty common.

And the point I was tryingto make is that if you're a heavy user, youmight be tired of Stairway, but brother/sister/co-worker/friend/whoever who is a light user mightthinkthey dont play it enough...

Yes, but Little1, I will Always remember, back in the day, in 1973-1974-1975, that there was a rock station for light users, that had the narrow playlists, and the chatty DJ's, etc.

And, at the very same time, Little1, there was the Rock staion for heavy users.

These station were not in competitin with each other.

One station played "Walk This Way", and the other did not. The other station played "Train Kept A Rollin'", the live version. Everybody was happy. My beer drinking frat/jock roomate in college, listened to the "Walk This Way" station.

But that station that would not play "Walk This Way", probably plays it now.

Because that's where the $$$$ is.

But, I will never forget those years, when the cool and groovy music was played. When you had an option for something other than Top 40 rock, of whatever genre.....

 

[scottythecynic]

Well, Rover, since your omniscient, perhaps you could advise Gary how to proceed with a play;ist that'll please both you and everyone that tunes in?

Your comments border on the ludicrous, with all due respect. It sounds as if you were jilted by The Bone. Was it a Bone Babe that rebuffed your advances? C'mon, you can tell us.

 

[TheRover]

Well, Rover, since your omniscient, perhaps you could advise Gary how to proceed with a playlist that'll please both you and everyone that tunes in?

Your comments border on the ludicrous, with all due respect. It sounds as if you were jilted by The Bone. Was it a Bone Babe that rebuffed your advances? C'mon, you can tell us.

No Comment.

There is NO playlist that would satisfy everyone. It would be ludicrous to think so, scottythecynic.

What we do need is not another Classic Rock station in the Dallas area, but a different rock station in the Dallas area, on that plays what the rest of us want to hear.

And scottythecynic, it doesn't take omniscience to know what to play to please the rest of us. There's Top 40, and there's other htan Top 40..... but maybe that's a border you are not able to cross, with all due neglect...